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[folsom500]

How often to digger pines fall over ? Guess ware are going to loose 29 of them soon.

http://www.sacbee.co.../El Dorado News


The California Department of Fish and Game, in cooperation with the city of Folsom, plans to remove 29 gray pine trees along Blue Ravine Road, between Riley and Sibley streets, in March and April.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.co...s#storylink=cpy

[andy]

If they pose a threat they need to go...trees can fall a lot in the loose tailing piles that dot that area

A poor woman was killed in Costa Mesa last year when a tree known to be sick fell on her car while stopped at a traffic light. It's not a risk worth taking.

[4thgenFolsomite]

the tailings are not the problem. grey pines are known as widow makers because the limbs can break and also because they drop the big heavy cones without warning.

p.s. "digger" pine is not the best term to use, since "digger" is considered a derogatory term.

[folsom500]

p.s. "digger" pine is not the best term to use, since "digger" is considered a derogatory term.

I did not know that - Thanks for letting me know.
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia....Pinus_sabiniana

Common name
The name Digger Pine supposedly came from the observation that the Paiute foraged for its seeds by digging around the base of the tree, although it is more likely that the term was first applied to the people; "Digger Indians" was in common use in California literature from the 1800s. The historically more common name Digger Pine is still in widespread use. The Jepson Manual advises avoiding the use of this name as the term "digger" is pejorative in origin.[11] [12] It is also sometimes thought of as a pinyon pine, though it does not belong to that group.

[folsom500]

I guess we will just have to start calling them Pinus or Nut Pines

Pinus sabiniana (sometimes spelled P. sabineana), with the common names gray pine, California foothill pine, and the more historically and internationally used digger pine, is a pine endemic to California in the United States.[3][4][5][6] It is also known as foothill pine, ghost pine,[7][8] bull pine, and nut pine.[7]

[Sonny]

Interesting on the digger pines, I always thought that was the only name for them. Also reminds me of the Seinfeld episode when Jerry was dating an native american and she got upset with him a bunch of times when he almost used the words reservation, scalper and Indian giver. He was pausing awkwardly trying to come up with alternate words.

[Inwit]

I know of a couple of Pines onlong that stretch that are leaning way over due to the slope of the ground and erosion, so I presume they are some of the ones slated for removal. One is darn near leaning at a 45 degree angle, I'm surprised it hasn't fallen over on it's own from gravity and nasty storms.

[nomad]

How often to digger pines fall over ? Guess ware are going to loose 29 of them soon.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/02/23/4284671/state-to-cut-29-pines-along-blue.html#mi_rss=Folsom/El%20Dorado%20News


The California Department of Fish and Game, in cooperation with the city of Folsom, plans to remove 29 gray pine trees along Blue Ravine Road, between Riley and Sibley streets, in March and April.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.co...s#storylink=cpy

But you dare not touch that Oak Tree in Briggs Ranch in the same condition without first "buying" it before you are allowed to remove it. Odd huh? Blackmail buy the city pretty much.

[olivia]

the tailings are not the problem. grey pines are known as widow makers because the limbs can break and also because they drop the big heavy cones without warning.

p.s. "digger" pine is not the best term to use, since "digger" is considered a derogatory term.

Why is that?

[Devdave]

And yet if you google "Digger Pine" it is a commonly used phrase...

Why is it a problem that it was named after it's history??


Digger pine
noun
a pine, Pinus sabiniana, of California, having drooping, grayish-green needles and large, heavy cones with edible seeds.

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Origin:
1880–85, Americanism ; after the Digger Indians, who used the tree as a food source

the tailings are not the problem. grey pines are known as widow makers because the limbs can break and also because they drop the big heavy cones without warning.

p.s. "digger" pine is not the best term to use, since "digger" is considered a derogatory term.

[folsom500]

Why is that?

From a couple of sources :
Digger Indians
term indiscriminately applied to many Native Americans of the central plateau region of W North America, including tribes in Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and central California. The name is supposedly derived from the fact that they dug roots for food. It has no ethnological significance and was a term of opprobrium.

op·pro·bri·um/əˈprōbrēəm/
Noun:
Harsh criticism or censure.
The public disgrace arising from someone's shameful conduct.
Synonyms:
shame - disgrace - dishonour - dishonor - ignominy

[Redone]

If they "dug" for roots, are they then not "diggers" ?


Maybe they were smart because they knew where to find food.

[old soldier]

it the town where I grew up there was a guy know, and always referred to as "digger O'dell" He was also the local undertaker. I never knew if he had another name.

[tony]

I'm just glad we don't live in 29 Pines.

[MrsTuffPaws]

it the town where I grew up there was a guy know, and always referred to as "digger O'dell" He was also the local undertaker. I never knew if he had another name.

At a college I went to, the guy that mowed the lawn called himself Digger. He was cool. He dug for crystals a lot, and gave them to the cute girls on campus. (I have a couple from him, lol)