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#136 chris v

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 07:47 AM

QUOTE(wrabbit @ Mar 9 2008, 10:30 PM) View Post
Well, besides being tax subsidized, many are coming across with this, "Oh, it's so fun to ride the train!" and,
"The train is so much easier!" It makes me sick. What are they selling? They sound like they are doing a promotion. There's no need to defend the train, because it will be used by some and not by others, regardless of what is said. I just see it as another way to tax me, so others can have it easier. Yes, we are definitely in a socialist run country. They take our money and give us what they think we should have.
It's all about Big Brother, no doubt about it.

If one does take the train they have to park their cars someplace, and what do you want to bet that won't be free very long? Too soon they will figure they have the public conditioned to ride the train and will be charging parking fees in those parking lots everybody is using now, when they go jump on the train.

Also, how long do people think those cheap fares will stay cheap? They will go up, as soon as it looks like enough people are riding the train and are depending on it to get to work. Like sheep, riders will pay the prices as long as it looks like they are saving the environment. Wouldn't car pooling be just as effective?
And, keep in mind that low income citizens get to ride FREE. It's THAT nice? They could take an entire day and just ride around, at the tax payers expense. The homeless are already using the light rail to sleep in....does that tell anybody anything?

Don't get me wrong, there is a need to clean up the air and some people do need Light Rail, but to think it's all sugar and spice is very immature. And why must it go everywhere? Good Grief! Every single thing that the government has produced for our improved living standards or easier cheaper transportation has, over time, been more costly and not as convenient has it had been pitched in the beginning. Their current plan is to evenly disperse the poor and light rail is one of the things they are doing towards that goal. After all, when the low income homes get built here, the inhabitants will need a way to get around. This is a plan to further mix the poor with the middle class, thereby taking them from being mostly downtown, to spread over a larger area, as much as possible. But they aren't going to tell the public that...Oh no, it's all about saving the environment, don't you know?

Like I said before, if the government truly wanted to decrease the amount of traffic on the roads, and save our air, they'd give us an incentive to move closer to our jobs, in way of a tax break on our property tax. This Light Rail thing looks a lot like developing jobs and the contactors making big bucks....not really providing the public with cheaper and cleaner transportation, because of a concern over the air quality. Remember, the United States was the only country that did not come to the table at the environmental summit. Our country instead insisted that we had to continue using as much oil and driving our vehicles as much as we have been. So the way I see it, our country isn't walking the talk, as usual. They are instead selling us a bill of goods, which over time, will be a lost cause for the environment.

They want to have train rails all over Folsom....and running up into El Dorado Hills and Placerville. The love affair we have with our cars won't be cast aside with light rail going all over or further out, it will be lessened by us having an incentive to not drive so much. My wife and I could decide to go other places to buy goods and for entertainment, but why should we leave Folsom when we have it all right here? We hardly ever drive out of Folsom and feel the time and effort, not to mention the price of gas, just isn't worth it.

Sure, maybe some people ride the train because "it's fun!", but will they over time, when the glitter has worn off, when the fares go up, when it's so hot they feel sick when riding it and they have to pay to park their cars? Humans being what they are, have tended to be Gun Oh with things that are new, but tire of them when they are not trendy any more and too easily go back to their old habits.

Bottom line, the government is doing this so it will, like other projects, be a joke. Just my opinion.

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Dude, it's a train.... not a conspiracy theory.... I think you need to climb back down here with the rest of us.

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 07:57 AM

QUOTE(chris v @ Mar 10 2008, 08:47 AM) View Post
Dude, it's a train.... not a conspiracy theory.... I think you need to climb back down here with the rest of us.



Someone's train has left the station without the driver and has run off the track.


I've heard rumors that some cities have trains running all over the place and sometimes they even go underground. And their ticket prices remain reasonable and the parking is free, even after 20+ years of existance. I for one think it's just some Walt Disney fantasy creation.
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 08:01 AM

QUOTE(Warren G @ Mar 10 2008, 08:57 AM) View Post
Someone's train has left the station without the driver and has run off the track.
I've heard rumors that some cities have trains running all over the place and sometimes they even go underground. And their ticket prices remain reasonable and the parking is free, even after 20+ years of existance. I for one think it's just some Walt Disney fantasy creation.


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after all???? (that was bad)

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 08:35 AM

QUOTE(chris v @ Mar 10 2008, 09:01 AM) View Post
It's a small world..........

after all???? (that was bad)


Poll: Which is more annoying...
A) Repeated, ignorant, emotional, paranoid rants about Light Rail

Or

B) It's a world of laughter, a world or tears
its a world of hopes, its a world of fear
theres so much that we share
that its time we're aware
its a small world after all

CHORUS:
its a small world after all
its a small world after all
its a small world after all
its a small, small world

There is just one moon and one golden sun
And a smile means friendship to everyone.
Though the mountains divide
And the oceans are wide
It's a small small world


And please, no need to thank me for putting that song into your head for the rest of the day...

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE(wrabbit @ Mar 4 2008, 07:39 PM) View Post
Some posters have gone out of their way to promote building more extended rails for the purpose of getting Light Rail to riders, and have down played any possible danger related to riding it.
My feelings are that negative impacts of Light Rail over ride any positive it may have. This nut case with the gun proves that point. If another rider were to piss this guy off, does anyone in their right mind think he would hesitate shooting them, right then and there? And how much of a chance would that person who was shot, have to survive at that close a range?


Let me get this straight... A guy with a gun, escaped a scene of a crime on light rail, and suddenly it's too dangerous to be worth the beneifts to the commuting public? If you were to extend the same logic to trains, planes and automobiles...you'd probably still be riding in a covered wagon!
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Posted 28 March 2008 - 09:29 AM

Emotion vs. logical reason is never tidy.
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Posted 16 April 2008 - 01:01 PM

Ahhh--for those of you with a bit of a cynical bent, today: here's a good story.

At least it's a bit ironic--if not troubling in its undertones.

http://www.news10.ne...x?storyid=40759







Stowaway on mather plane given lift to local light rail station after cited for free ride.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE(ducky @ Mar 3 2008, 10:40 AM) View Post
Did any of you see this story? This is for WarrenG because I know he likes anything light rail related. tongue.gif

http://www.sacbee.co...ory/754896.html

Here's an article that hits somewhat close to home:

A coworkers family member shot while driving his kids to pickup his wife.
http://www.sfgate.co.../BA2B1048R8.DTL

Note: This happened in a car, not lightrail. No surveillance cameras there!
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Posted 17 April 2008 - 06:12 AM

They're trying to make things better.


http://www.sacbee.co...ory/868576.html

RT seeks input on how to keep troublemakers off light rail
By Tony Bizjak - tbizjak@sacbee.com
Last Updated 5:34 am PDT Thursday, April 17, 2008
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B3

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Sheriff's Deputy Michael Lancaster, along with his canine comrade, Nisim, patrols the Arden/ Del Paso light-rail station on Wednesday.
Autumn Cruz / acruz@sacbee.com

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Somebody behaves badly on light rail. The offender is kicked off, maybe even booked into county jail.

But hours later the troublesome rider can be back on board.

That revolving-door reality has frustrated Sacramento Regional Transit officials and riders for years.

Transit officials say they want the authority to crack down on bad actors and keep them off trains for months at a time.

They've learned, however, that getting tough is not easy.

State legislators have balked at RT's proposed law, Senate Bill 1561, that would grant transit agencies power to ban people for up to a year.

Instead, after negotiations, the agency says it will take a step back and convene a community task force to discuss the ban idea and other ways to deal with people who won't follow rules.

Encouraged by the bill's author, state Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, RT said it will pull together local mental health officials, homeless representatives and law enforcement officials.

"We're looking at what we can draw consensus around," RT official Mark Lonergan said.

"But we are still saying being able to keep people off the system who are a continual problem is a tool we'd like to have."

Lonergan said his agency's no-ride list could include people who continually board without tickets, people who harass other passengers, and those who commit crimes on RT trains or property.

The agency isn't targeting homeless people or people with mental problems, Lonergan said.

Some of those riders, in fact, are themselves targets of harassment by nuisance-causing riders, he said.

"They don't have a choice; they have to put up with it day after day after day," Lonergan said.

Steinberg said he supports a ban because RT suffers from a reputation that "there is going to be somebody acting strangely or giving people a bad time."

"I want to craft a strong law, but one that is fair," Steinberg said.

"I want a link between RT and the mental health providers."

RT officials said they hope to use the task force work to return to the Legislature with a proposal that has community support.

Lonergan said any new proposal probably would apply only to Sacramento's transit system.

RT hasn't decided who will be asked to participate.

Sister Libby Fernandez, head of Loaves & Fishes, a Sacramento provider for homeless and mentally disabled people, said she wants her agency represented.

She said she could support banning people who commit serious crimes, but also wants help for people with mental issues.

"I'm leery about what is categorized as illegal activity," she said.

"There is a fine line on who they ban. Violence, yes. Violence and stealing."

Regular light-rail commuter Linda Folk said the ban sounds OK, but her experience on a train Wednesday makes her to wonder how much priority RT puts on rider safety.

A man got on a Sunrise-bound train with a cardboard box reeking of gasoline, Folk said.

The train operator ordered him off. The man refused. The train continued on.

"Would they let him on an airplane like that?" Folk asked.

RT Police Lt. Mark Sakauye said the man was arrested at a later stop.

Sakauye said officers apparently intercepted the train as soon as they were able, several minutes after receiving a call.



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Posted 17 April 2008 - 03:58 PM

QUOTE(ducky @ Apr 17 2008, 07:12 AM) View Post
They're trying to make things better.
http://www.sacbee.co...ory/868576.html

RT seeks input on how to keep troublemakers off light rail
By Tony Bizjak - tbizjak@sacbee.com
Last Updated 5:34 am PDT Thursday, April 17, 2008
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B3

Print | E-Mail | Comments (9)|


Sheriff's Deputy Michael Lancaster, along with his canine comrade, Nisim, patrols the Arden/ Del Paso light-rail station on Wednesday.
Autumn Cruz / acruz@sacbee.com

Click on photo to enlarge

See additional images


Somebody behaves badly on light rail. The offender is kicked off, maybe even booked into county jail.

But hours later the troublesome rider can be back on board.

That revolving-door reality has frustrated Sacramento Regional Transit officials and riders for years.

Transit officials say they want the authority to crack down on bad actors and keep them off trains for months at a time.

They've learned, however, that getting tough is not easy.

State legislators have balked at RT's proposed law, Senate Bill 1561, that would grant transit agencies power to ban people for up to a year.

Instead, after negotiations, the agency says it will take a step back and convene a community task force to discuss the ban idea and other ways to deal with people who won't follow rules.

Encouraged by the bill's author, state Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, RT said it will pull together local mental health officials, homeless representatives and law enforcement officials.

"We're looking at what we can draw consensus around," RT official Mark Lonergan said.

"But we are still saying being able to keep people off the system who are a continual problem is a tool we'd like to have."

Lonergan said his agency's no-ride list could include people who continually board without tickets, people who harass other passengers, and those who commit crimes on RT trains or property.

The agency isn't targeting homeless people or people with mental problems, Lonergan said.

Some of those riders, in fact, are themselves targets of harassment by nuisance-causing riders, he said.

"They don't have a choice; they have to put up with it day after day after day," Lonergan said.

Steinberg said he supports a ban because RT suffers from a reputation that "there is going to be somebody acting strangely or giving people a bad time."

"I want to craft a strong law, but one that is fair," Steinberg said.

"I want a link between RT and the mental health providers."

RT officials said they hope to use the task force work to return to the Legislature with a proposal that has community support.

Lonergan said any new proposal probably would apply only to Sacramento's transit system.

RT hasn't decided who will be asked to participate.

Sister Libby Fernandez, head of Loaves & Fishes, a Sacramento provider for homeless and mentally disabled people, said she wants her agency represented.

She said she could support banning people who commit serious crimes, but also wants help for people with mental issues.

"I'm leery about what is categorized as illegal activity," she said.

"There is a fine line on who they ban. Violence, yes. Violence and stealing."

Regular light-rail commuter Linda Folk said the ban sounds OK, but her experience on a train Wednesday makes her to wonder how much priority RT puts on rider safety.

A man got on a Sunrise-bound train with a cardboard box reeking of gasoline, Folk said.

The train operator ordered him off. The man refused. The train continued on.

"Would they let him on an airplane like that?" Folk asked.

RT Police Lt. Mark Sakauye said the man was arrested at a later stop.

Sakauye said officers apparently intercepted the train as soon as they were able, several minutes after receiving a call.



Well, I don't know why all the fuss! Many posters here will tell you there are no problems or problem riders on RT. (sic) wacko.gif

I only have a problem when it is taking my taxes, to keep it running because it can't support itself with it's proceeds from riders.

It's the same old tune with any public service.....it's supposed to be cheaper and of great benefit to the citizens. But, when it can't pay for itself, we have to pick up the tab with more of our tax dollars, year after year......until we die.

Let's just say, if the government does it.....it will cost more money, be less efficient and have more problems, than if private company built it and ran it.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE(wrabbit @ Apr 17 2008, 04:58 PM) View Post
Let's just say, if the government does it.....it will cost more money, be less efficient and have more problems, than if private company built it and ran it.

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Posted 17 April 2008 - 09:26 PM

QUOTE(wrabbit @ Apr 17 2008, 04:58 PM) View Post
Well, I don't know why all the fuss! Many posters here will tell you there are no problems or problem riders on RT. (sic) wacko.gif

Many? Okay, name 5 people who have said that. No wonder you get so worked up-you're not dealing with reality.

Let's just say, if the government does it.....it will cost more money, be less efficient and have more problems, than if private company built it and ran it.


I guess you also object to other public projects that don't break even, like city and county parks, publicly-owned golf courses, the median strips with trees, stuff like that...
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 07:27 AM

QUOTE(Warren G @ Apr 17 2008, 10:26 PM) View Post
I guess you also object to other public projects that don't break even, like city and county parks, publicly-owned golf courses, the median strips with trees, stuff like that...


Also Police, Fire, and the Courts. Those don't break even.
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Posted 18 April 2008 - 07:39 AM

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Also Police, Fire, and the Courts. Those don't break even.

Heck, what about the roads? When are we going to start getting some toll roads around here to pay for the flipping things?

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Posted 18 April 2008 - 07:54 AM

QUOTE(wrabbit @ Apr 17 2008, 04:58 PM) View Post
It's the same old tune with any public service.....it's supposed to be cheaper and of great benefit to the citizens.


who ever says this?




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