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[tsukiji]

Wow...and from a Sig guy? Can I quote you on that? I guess I already did

Haha. I actually appreciate Glocks. I like my friend's Glock 21. I hate to admit it but I think I was more accurate with the 21 than the P220 at 20 yards out of the box (ie - for the first couple of magazines with each weapon); actually same is true with USP45 over the P220 as well.

I'd like to pick up an HK45 or P30 if they were CA legal. But given the current list, it'll be a toss up between HK and Glock when I decide to get a plastic handgun.

But Sigs are kinda like my first car. Holds a special place in my heart. And I don't actually care for the bling versions of Sig; classic black works for me. That's one thing HK and Glock are doing right.

[tsukiji]

+1 on CCI at Wild Sports, it's a good deal for some decently clean(ish) firing ammo. For practice I prefer to pick up the 100pack of WWB at Wal-Mart for like $18 chucks.

9mm CCI Blazer Brass is about $9 at WS with coupons from the Bee ($1 or so more per box w/out coupon?). So, about the same price between CCI BB and WWB? Why do you prefer WWB for range work? I haven't really used WWB much (WS is just so easy to get in and out).

Wolf? cough cough.

There is a secret conspiracy between "lawmakers" and criminals to disarm citizens, allowing only criminals to remain armed. After all, "lawmakers" and criminals share a common goal: rob/tax the population at large blind. The ammo micro-id proposal is so that bonuses can be correctly distributed to criminals meeting their quota.

[Darth.Central]

But AB2062 may put an end to internet ammo sales, which would be completely retarded since I highly doubt that gangbangers are ordering bulk ammo on-line for their drive-bys, but i could be wrong. http://www.leginfo.c...ed_sen_v95.html

"This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2009, unless specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is registered as a handgun ammunition vendor." The bill would further provide that handgun ammunition may only be purchased in a face-to-face transaction, which is being interpreted to exclude internet sales. I guess this should be no surprise that our legislators are busy with this crap when they could be doing something less productive like, say, approving the State Budget. /end rant.

i dry fire with handguns and have snap caps

good practice at the range to use a couple of random snap caps in the mag

hadn't seen that legislation - thanks for the incentive to load up on a million rounds of ammo

they must be watching chris rock's bit on how a bullet should cost $5k

[Johnny_come_lately]

Why do you prefer WWB for range work? I haven't really used WWB much (WS is just so easy to get in and out).

You can reload WWB brass. So the way our legislators are going, that'll eventually be the only way we'll be able to have enough rounds for the range. The proposed 50 rounds per month would last about 6 minutes at the range

I've got about 1k in 9mm brass stocked up in case something like AB2062 passes. So our choices are to either reload (aka "roll your own"), or log a lot of miles to Cabela's in Reno for ammo runs...

[Johnny_come_lately]

thanks for the incentive to load up on a million rounds of ammo

So let's see...if 1k of 9mm Wolf runs $179...then 1 million rounds would be about $179K. Not a bad investment if you ask me (everyone says you should be investing in precious metals right now...brass, copper, lead...you'd have 'em all covered).

[tsukiji]

You can reload WWB brass. So the way our legislators are going, that'll eventually be the only way we'll be able to have enough rounds for the range. The proposed 50 rounds per month would last about 6 minutes at the range

I've got about 1k in 9mm brass stocked up in case something like AB2062 passes. So our choices are to either reload (aka "roll your own"), or log a lot of miles to Cabela's in Reno for ammo runs...

So, the way I read this " ... person shall sell or transfer more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is registered as a handgun ammunition vendor ..." it doesn't sound like we can't continue to purchase ammo as we do today. This sounds like private party transfers (don't know how they would track this). But assuming that <Wild Sports> is an 'registered handgun ammunition vendor' it sounds like we can still purchase as we do today. I could be wrong as, to be honest, I didn't open the AB link. Are you guys reading it differently?

If I'm mistaken, I guess I'll be looking at reloading myself or going to Reno. Carpool anyone?

So, btw, would it be legal to provide reload services that would be exempt from this? For example, what if I provided brass to JCL to reload for me?

[Johnny_come_lately]

So, the way I read this " ... person shall sell or transfer more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is registered as a handgun ammunition vendor ..." it doesn't sound like we can't continue to purchase ammo as we do today. This sounds like private party transfers (don't know how they would track this). But assuming that <Wild Sports> is an 'registered handgun ammunition vendor' it sounds like we can still purchase as we do today. I could be wrong as, to be honest, I didn't open the AB link. Are you guys reading it differently?

If I'm mistaken, I guess I'll be looking at reloading myself or going to Reno. Carpool anyone?

So, btw, would it be legal to provide reload services that would be exempt from this? For example, what if I provided brass to JCL to reload for me?

The intent of this bill (as I understand it) is to prohibit anyone from purchasing more than 50 rounds in any month, no matter from who or from where you purchase the ammo, unless you are a registered handgun ammunition vendor (retarded). But the bill is interestingly silent on the physical "importing" of ammo from Reno, etc. but this may have been amended by the latest revisions to the bill. You can read the bill and reach your own conclusions, as I'm not a lawyer and do not play one on TV. The bill is clearly worded poorly, which is no surprise, but has received enough votes in committee that it looks like it'll head to the Assembly for a vote sometime in August. Yikes.

[tsukiji]

The intent of this bill .... The bill is clearly worded poorly, which is no surprise, but has received enough votes in committee that it looks like it'll head to the Assembly for a vote sometime in August. Yikes.

I skimmed through the AB proposal. I'm not a lawyer either (as evidenced by falling asleep 6 times during the course of skimming through the document).

But my interpretation leads me to believe that we can still purchase as we do today as long as the seller (ie - Wild Sports, Wally, etc) is a 'registered ammo vendor' per a new database (kinda like FFL I guess). If you are buying from a non-registered vendor, then the seller is not allowed to sell more than 50 rounds per month (and if the transaction proceeded for more than that, the seller can be subject to a misdeamenor charge).

But I don't understand how this will affect anything. Criminals who aren't supposed to have guns get them illegally. They will get ammo illegally as well.

It will be a hassle to show CDL, get printed, etc, each time we purchase ammo.... It may be worth stockpiling just to avoid that.

I think policymakers should be required to prove competency in statistics and cause/effect.

[tsukiji]

Yo ChipShot -- did you buy anything yet? The Glock 19?

Of course, you did register for this, right?

https://www.sigsauer...weepstakes.aspx

[ChipShot]

Yo ChipShot -- did you buy anything yet? The Glock 19?

Of course, you did register for this, right?

https://www.sigsauer...weepstakes.aspx

Went in there earlier this week, and they are out of stock on the Glock 19. I'll wait...no big rush, although I'm getting anxious to see one first-hand.

p.s: That Sig is nice...I'd hate to even shoot it and get it dirty !!

[folsombound]

Went in there earlier this week, and they are out of stock on the Glock 19. I'll wait...no big rush, although I'm getting anxious to see one first-hand.

p.s: That Sig is nice...I'd hate to even shoot it and get it dirty !!

You should reconsider the Glock and buy a P-226 instead. It is one nice weapon. I bought one last year when I decided I wanted more stopping power than a PPK gave me.

[tsukiji]

Went in there earlier this week, and they are out of stock on the Glock 19. I'll wait...no big rush, although I'm getting anxious to see one first-hand.

p.s: That Sig is nice...I'd hate to even shoot it and get it dirty !!

Not sure where you looked and what the price was. I'd imagine www.topgunsupply.com is pretty competitive. Folks on www.sigforum.com swear by them. And I've bought supplies from them many times -- excellent customer service pre- and post- sale. I wouldn't hestitate to buy from them.

Look: http://www.topgunsup...CK-pr-1206.html

So, it'd be $499 + S&H ($18) + FFL ($75 at J&G in Granite Bay but you might be able to find cheaper elsewhere).

Versus $? in local store + CA Tax. (not including DROS fees as that would be the same in both cases.

Anyway, other options for ya if you want.

The last Sig I bought was online. Net price was about the same as buying locally at Wild Sports (about $30 cheaper all told). But didn't have to wait for them to get it in stock (it actually took them 2-3 months before they got one in).

[Darth.Central]

You should reconsider the Glock and buy a P-226 instead. It is one nice weapon. I bought one last year when I decided I wanted more stopping power than a PPK gave me.

.40 - .45

G19 out of stock go for G23 and conversion kit

then you'd have a .40 and 9mm

the 9 for range .4 for HD

[eVader]

Alot of very good suggestions and tips on this thread. A few pages back someone commented that preference was similar to Chevy vs. Ford vs. Dodge vs. Toyota and on that note, I suggest looking at a Taurus PT92 9mm. I bought this from Sacramento Armory 15+ years ago and it is very similar to the trusty Beretta. Easy to strip (even blindfolded), shoots as straight as one holding it.

If not the Taurus, the Glock and Sig are great choices. Dont have either yet but have shot both and was really impressed.

For target practice consider also picking up a good .22 pistol like a Ruger Mark III because you can practice, practice, practice and it wont cost a whole lot. It doesnt replace practice with the Sig\Glock\HK\Taurus but improves your skills with less costly ammo and the Mark series are fun. Like DavBurr, I have the early Mark I and with 1000s of rounds have never had a jam.

The only definition for Gun Control should be that the gun owner is using two hands. I have a short pier anti gun liberal nuts can take a nice long walk on.

[Darth.Central]

we need privately owned F15s and tanks

how else to take on oppressive and corrupt government