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[Dave Burrell]

I'm really tempted to call Sac Rendering and get the details of their deal, but you can't be serious that if they're paid a flat fee to pickup there's no loss. Do you think they eat the grease themselves? or flush it down the toilet? It's a valuable asset. They refine it or resell it FOR PROFIT. If they say it's worth $350 that's probably the price they could sell it for.

you should call the manager of malabar and ask
- did he or anyone there ever give permission at any time, ever - to the officer(s) to take some grease - simple yes or no answer
- then ask if they have a dead set contract that guarantees the SRC all their grease

[mylo]

yes exactly. I'm arguing the severity of the crime given the value - thank you. thats all I've been trying to convey. Yes it is a crime and yes they should be punished slightly but I don't think this should even be public and the punishment nothing more then a slap on the hand misdemeanor, pay your fine, life goes on - as would happen with any normal citizen

Let's just assume that the value stated is true, and what was stolen is worth $350. He was charged with a misdemeanor, arrested, and will appear in court.

What punishment would you see fit if he walked into a store and stole, say, a $350 32gb iPod Touch?

[Dave Burrell]

Yes. You are limited by quantity. IIRC, it's around 200 gallons per year. Oh, and you're not allowed to sell it.

what about environmental disposal laws and other stuff like that? I bet there are a bunch of esoteric laws and taxes on something like that - even if it is just for home consumption... seems like the man has to have his hand up your bum for everything you do in life - gotta luv Cali

[mylo]

what about environmental disposal laws and other stuff like that? I bet there are a bunch of esoteric laws and taxes on something like that - even if it is just for home consumption... seems like the man has to have his hand up your bum for everything you do in life - gotta luv Cali

Home winemaking doesn't use many toxic chemicals. The worst I use is probably sulfur dioxide. So, not much to dispose of compared to home oil refining. Luckily home winemaking/brewing laws came about before the tax and nanny laws took ahold.

[Dave Burrell]

If you are selling wine I know you have to at least be licensed by the city because you are producing something for human consumption (i.e. the health inspector needs to visit you etc).

The issue with refining is two parts. First, its dangerous because you are dealing with things that can burn and explode. Second, there are environmental consequences to producing fuels. How much of this is real and how much is just gov't can be debated but there are several agencies that would need to license you to produce fuels. The law does not seem to dinstinguish between a giant gas refinery and a guy in his house making fry oil gas. It may also be a case of the law being behind the times.

-Robert

That makes sense. I bet there are all kinds of fees and taxes for this stuff too

I'm curious now what all goes into refining used oil..... I always thought it was just filtered out and poured in the tank

[ChipShot]

you should call the manager of malabar and ask
- did he or anyone there ever give permission at any time, ever - to the officer(s) to take some grease - simple yes or no answer
- then ask if they have a dead set contract that guarantees the SRC all their grease

Hey dav, leave that horse alone already...

[Dave Burrell]

Oh, I do, just not on here. I try to stay out of the politics forums of MyFolsom.

I do have a special hatred in my heart for thieves. I think theft is one of the worst crimes possible. Murder, of course, being theft of life.

I'm just different dude (no offense), I have a special hatred for murderers, I view any other kind of theft as completely minor by comparison

[Dave Burrell]

200 gals wouldn't get you far . I would be interested in seeing a reference to this rule though because I know its been a big deal for certain environmentalist who want to make their own fuels.

-Robert

That's what surprises me about all this - I too thought it was a big deal for certain environmentalists who want to make their own fuels - from what I'm learning that sounds completely impossible to do with all the laws, regulations, fees, taxes etc... it almost makes considering bio-diesel a joke - it'll be no more cost effective then gas at that rate

[Dave Burrell]

I find it very important that those who carry a badge and a gun should abide by the laws that they have taken an oath to uphold. We should have Zero-tolerance for dishonesty/criminality among law enforcement.

BTW, can you lay-off the bolding??

I agree with that but I also hold our politicians to an even higher standard since THEY are the ones MAKING the laws

[mylo]

I agree with that but I also hold our politicians to an even higher standard since THEY are the ones MAKING the laws

I'm sure if they caught Obama stealing grease it would be Fox News story of the week!

[Dave Burrell]

Do you have ADD??

I don't hate all cops, but I do hate the dishonest, corrupt ones.

you might want to check on an ADD problem there yourself cowboy....

this statement of yours...

Unfortunately, it's all too common in law enforcement these days

.... does not imply you think it's only a few

[Dave Burrell]

From: http://edocket.acces.../27cfr24.75.htm

(a) General. Any adult may, without payment of tax, produce wine for
personal or family use and not for sale.
(b) Quantity. The aggregate amount of wine that may be produced
exempt from tax with respect to any household may not exceed:
(1) 200 gallons per calendar year for a household in which two or
more adults reside, or
(2) 100 gallons per calendar year if there is only one adult
residing in the household.

holy hannah it's IN writing - GOD BLESS AMERICA!

....but is 200 gallons enough for a year???

[Dave Burrell]

Let's just assume that the value stated is true, and what was stolen is worth $350. He was charged with a misdemeanor, arrested, and will appear in court.

What punishment would you see fit if he walked into a store and stole, say, a $350 32gb iPod Touch?

force him to serve as Steve Jobs lap dog for a year

or 32 years in prison, one year for each gig

[Dave Burrell]

Home winemaking doesn't use many toxic chemicals. The worst I use is probably sulfur dioxide. So, not much to dispose of compared to home oil refining. Luckily home winemaking/brewing laws came about before the tax and nanny laws took ahold.

what goes into home oil refining?

hey thats cool to hear about home brewing laws coming out before tax and nany laws taking effect but I bet that won't last for long.... the man wants his share.... one way or another

[Dave Burrell]

Hey dav, leave that horse alone already...

pipe down and get back to your beers before they get warm