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[Bill Z]

Well I'm glad you are just so perfect Bill.

I understand your earlier remarks, it's a very sensitive issue. This is not something to be taken lightly. We will be living with this for the rest of our lives.

One, I've never claimed to be perfect, in fact, I believe apologizing for my earlier comments is an acknowledgement of being wrong, so I do take offense at your first sentence above. A more appropriate response to an apology is "thank you".

I'm glad that you seem to be learning your lesson, albeit the hard way, but many of us, myself included, have learned lessons the hard way. Thankfully, you were all lucky that the outcome wasn't worse.

[Bill Z]

You just wont give up. Where did you do your medical training - to suggest that someone in a multiple rollover accident should be removed from the vehicle by untrained people? Seriously - your comments have been beyond offensive.

I'm sorry but my understanding is he tried to get out himself and was told to stay put.
If I'm not trapped in a vehicle and I feel comfortable moving, I'm sorry, but I'm going to get out of a wrecked vehicle rather than stay in it until something horrible goes wrong with it.
So my comment isn't with regards to if untrained people should extract a person or not, it's with regards to if someone that was properly restrained and therefore relatively uninjured in a rollover should stay put or get out. I opt for the get out. If you find that offensive, so be it.

[Dave Burrell]

DO not respond to anything further I say nor will I to you. You need mental help and need to get off the computer and get a life...or heck raise your children.

Go easy on one another, lets keep it civil ladies.

[doj_gal]

Congratulations, did you win anything? Is my friend who is still in the hospital 100% healed? What difference does it make?! I don't mean to be vulgar, but it's hurtful that this incident has caused this much pointless arguing.

I am very sorry Pathfinder. I am praying for your friend.

This forum and certain people frustrate me because I was honestly trying to help you. Some people, like the person I was arguing with, only want to start drama, hurt others feelings and have agendas to push. I have not said anything negative about you and your friends. I just want you to understand the choices you make will live with you forever, which I clearly see you understand.

However, people like to derail that positive thought because I do not believe people should rely on the government when they loose their job and I asked about divorce when my husband and I were going through a rough patch. Those classless people like to drudge up personal drama when I indicate that their contribution to the conversation doesn’t make sense!

[Steve Heard]

I believe that starting around 5th grade, students ideas on the acceptance of drugs and alcohol useage in their lives begins to form an opinion-outside of what they have previously merely parrotted as parental or school influence.

By the time they graduate 8th grade-for most students-that personal belief (which many students will not willingly share with trusted adults in their lives) has been cemented, permanently.

Some kids become occassional users and skate through adolescence and young adulthood without tragedy ever touching them. Truthfully, the majority of users fall in this range.

Ther are a few people who use drugs and alcohol and their life becomes a spiraling mess that just never rights, itself. There aren't very many people -comparatively speaking in terms of ratio by age-who fall into this category.

This is true. For those first 10 to 13 years of their lives, kids seem to follow their parents' rules and guidelines. As part of their journey of self-discovery, and as they gain knowledge, they naturally question everything. It is no wonder when they see more and more of their friends trying drugs and living to tell the story, they start to doubt just how serious an issue it really is, and it becomes so much more tempting to give it a try.

That's how they start down that path toward that spiraling mess you speak of. None of them plan to get that way, but quite a few end up there.

[supermom]

Those classless people have watched you derail threads for the last two weeks with your insults.

And path-let me tell you something.

Too bad you don't like adults arguing.

That happens when they grieve or something frightening or out of their control, happens.

Just don't learn from all of us classless people and make excuses for our hatreds and bad behaviors because they can't accept they hate their husbands, job and prolly are considering offing someone- rather than enjoying a hobby like writing about gnomes (aka folsom children-but then someone would have to be extremely dense not to have seen that-in the middle of a thread about children) and other such fiction.

Duh.

[luvfolsom]

It's on days like this, when I get angry and wonder-just how is our tax money for "federal aid" to assist in underage selling arrests--being used?

Ok, maybe not fair to or maybe too blaming or maybe, just maybe someone will snipe and say its the parents fault---but I see lots of room for failure when these things happen.

Who supplied the marijuana ( a downer-slows their reactions, right?) and the alcohol (another downer, and also dampens their natural or taught inhibitions).

If the kid driver wasn't licensed, well besides he'll be in jail for a long time, but my understanding is that persons underage who are unlicensed and get arrested for alcohol related incidents involving vehicles have their license privledges revoked until they are either 18 or 21--uhhmmm I say either 'cause I don't remember.
They should bring this car to the high school that they attend and show the other kids what happens when you drive under alcohol and drugs.



Hopefully this will apply to all four kids, regardless if they were driving --but I doubt it will happen.

The worst part of all this, is that there is so much education out there on the dangers of alcohol.

MADD has done a significant job in educating a generation in the dangers of alcohol.

And the highschools here in Folsom have a program for Jr. and Sr. that is mandatory--about a formal lecture with FPD and they bring a busted up car and all that stuff, right?

They still do that? Is it mandatory? 'Cause the kids most likely to ditch such a mild lecture are prolly the ones who need it the most.

One of my kids starts her freshman year in just a few weeks. I vaguely remember my parents had a verbal contract with me when I got into my JR year in highschool.

I like a few of the ideas I have seen some of the posters suggest. About designated drivers and such.

I will probably put it in writing and make the kid keep it in her wallet, along with emergency phone numbers. One thing I do know, if my kid were to call me, I would be surprised. If my kid were to call a friend, I would not. I believe she would do the right thing. So, my biggest thing is wanting to know as many of her friends as possible....and their families. Hopefully the kids would feel comfortable calling me...even if mine doesn't.



I just hope she never gets into a position like these four kids did....

Bring this car to they school these kids attend so all the kids can see what happens when you mix alcohol and drugs when driving.

[JoAnne Reinking]

Bring this car to they school these kids attend so all the kids can see what happens when you mix alcohol and drugs when driving.

Great suggestion. For those who don't know.,both FHS and VDL host the "Every 15 Minutes" program. Each year it alternates between the sites. Last year was FHS~ 2010-11 is VDL. The program simulates, most impressively, an accident of this type , the emergency response and repercussions. Jr/Sr classes participate. This incident immediately brought the program to my mind,. I'm wondering if the program should be offered as early as 10th grade.

http://www.every15minutes.com/

[MikeinFolsom]

I think the mentality is to get the kids in their Junior/Senior years of high school when they might be starting to drive. Sophomores might be a little too young still and have that incredible invincible attitude.

Bill Z. stay in the car unless you yourself are absolutely sure you're not hurt. I doubt I'd tell someone else what to do though. Unless the vehicle comes to rest in the middle of the road. Then by all means, get as far away from the car as you can and make sure you can see oncoming traffic.

[JoAnne Reinking]

Perhaps these youth could best serve our community by speaking about this horrible experience at "Every 15 Minutes" or "P.A.R.T.Y." Hearing a message of this nature from peers is always so much more effective. Hard to accept now, but perhaps in the long run some good will come from this. I'm hearing that parents and teens are having dialogue about drinking and driving. That in itself is a good thing.

[becca]

PATHFINDER....I don't know if you already have, but please read my original post. #36 at the bottom.

[MikeinFolsom]

Pathfinder......what exactly is a Pathfinder?

[john]

Hey everyone -
I had to delete quite a bit of bickering going on here on this thread. This thread obviously hit a little close to home, as Pathfinder was involved in the accident.

Everyone needs to keep something in mind here - this site has gotten pretty big, and we have thousands of active members. Chances are, if something happens, it may involve a MyFolsomite, or at the least, someone knows them and they will eventually be reading the gossip. I'm not saying to censor your comments, I'm just saying please be respectful. We're all neighbors here and we all run in to MyFolsomites every day, chances are we just don't know it.

john

[l479]

Hey everyone -
I had to delete quite a bit of bickering going on here on this thread. This thread obviously hit a little close to home, as Pathfinder was involved in the accident.

Everyone needs to keep something in mind here - this site has gotten pretty big, and we have thousands of active members. Chances are, if something happens, it may involve a MyFolsomite, or at the least, someone knows them and they will eventually be reading the gossip. I'm not saying to censor your comments, I'm just saying please be respectful. We're all neighbors here and we all run in to MyFolsomites every day, chances are we just don't know it.

john

I am sending good thoughts to these kids and hope that they heal very soon both physically and emotionally. The same thing could have happened to me when I was their age. I was lucky. I also hope that they stay off of this forum. They do not need to be reading all of this right now.