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[old soldier]

Every missionary I know of is a practicing real Christian, but they inherently discount native peoples religion and culture teaching that their own beliefs are the only true religion and that they need to convert or be damned to hell. To deny that real christian people have been spreading the word of God like this for 2000 years is denying the truth. Wake up and smell reality.

its kinda a fact a lot of christians sin a lot, some more than others and this sinning gives them a bad name. the old crusades are an example, as is all kinds of stealing. back over time and still today political folks have realized they can use religion to boost their projects and gain support cause folks flock together along religious lines. this here post has different christian folks sort of arguing, but its good its in a nice way. now those muslim folks they say have to kill you if you quit being a muslim and they are hell bent on making us all muslims

think it was joe stalin that said once religion is the opium of the people. heck obama said most common folks are sort of happy with just their guns and religion

[ducky]

I am in COMPLETE agreement with you! Worthwhile contributions need to be noted - what their sexual orientation was does not! Or their race, gender, or whatever was...........

But what if the worthwhile contribution related to their gender or other things you mentioned
as in "The First ____"?

When I was young, I remember reading a book about the first woman to attend medical school, Elizabeth Blackwell, I believe. It was inspiring to hear about someone who was told why they couldn't do something nobody had done before and how they proved everyone wrong.

[caligirlz]

Humans are equal to primates and gut worms?

That is some of the "research" used to "prove" that homosexuals reproduce. Their words not mine.

I read good! She is comparing human homosexual behavior with the behavior of primates and worms.

I am not. You misinterpreted what I said.

[Chris]

Great debate on this subject guys and gals... I'd add my .02 cents but since my last post got deleted I'll just sit back and read...... Chris

[Dave Burrell]

Great debate on this subject guys and gals... I'd add my .02 cents but since my last post got deleted I'll just sit back and read...... Chris

You just need to address the issue instead of attacking the messenger. Everyone has their sides they believe in - I won't slam swmr for his believes - I don't agree with him always but it's better to debate then berate.

[Chris]

You just need to address the issue instead of attacking the messenger. Everyone has their sides they believe in - I won't slam swmr for his believes - I don't agree with him always but it's better to debate then berate.

I disagree, when those of us on the right fight back with the exact same tactics and rhetoric used by the left we are deemed "bullies", "mean", "dumb", an "arse", and "small minded". Our subsequent posts seem to selectively vanish into thin air while postings like the below (by a left leaning moderator here) still stand in the debate and are not questioned at all....? Chris

Example:
5. Nice bullying me off the thread so you can spew your lies, put people down, and throw blame on someone else. That's what small-minded people do so they can continue to act like an arse and get away with it. Apparently you can't hold your own in intelligent debate or exchange of honest information without relying on the tactics I mentioned above.

[caligirlz]

Every missionary I know of is a practicing real Christian, but they inherently discount native peoples religion and culture teaching that their own beliefs are the only true religion and that they need to convert or be damned to hell. To deny that real christian people have been spreading the word of God like this for 2000 years is denying the truth. Wake up and smell reality.

I would suggest that you actually go back & read (& maybe look up a few words) to see what I actually said, instead of jumping to conclusions in your haste to give your opinion.

I'm curious to know: a) how many missionaries you personally know? b) your definition of a Christian? c) your definition of a missionary? d) your personal spiritual belief?

[caligirlz]

its kinda a fact a lot of christians sin a lot, some more than others and this sinning gives them a bad name. the old crusades are an example, as is all kinds of stealing. back over time and still today political folks have realized they can use religion to boost their projects and gain support cause folks flock together along religious lines. this here post has different christian folks sort of arguing, but its good its in a nice way. now those muslim folks they say have to kill you if you quit being a muslim and they are hell bent on making us all muslims

think it was joe stalin that said once religion is the opium of the people. heck obama said most common folks are sort of happy with just their guns and religion

ALL people sin. People don't become sinless or perfect once they become a christian. Yea, lots of christians do really stupid things. And many times one can't even tell by those peoples actions that they are a christian. In addition, the rest of the world expects them to be perfect, and that also gives them the bad name. Reminds me of the parable of the sower & the different types of christians.

Only God knows the true heart of a person. But we are given guidelines to determine if a person has met the qualification to be called a christian.

[caligirlz]

when those of us on the right fight back with the exact same tactics and rhetoric used by the left we are deemed "bullies", "mean", "dumb", an "arse", and "small minded". Our subsequent posts seem to selectively vanish into thin air while postings like the below (by a left leaning moderator here) still stand in the debate and are not questioned at all....? Chris

Chris, I appreciate your posts & your positions. I think it's quite obvious which side of the fence I stand on. However, the post in question did include a lot of accusation towards 1 particular myfolsom poster.

IMO, it's really easy to take pop shots at each other, instead of at the issue. I see that happening a lot around here. We are ALL very opinionated & judgmental of each other. This negativity feeds itself, and people then think it's ok to put down others. I think we all need to take some personal responsibility. We need to step back a moment before we post, and check our intentions. Ask yourself, "would that hurt me? someone else?" then don't post it. Ya know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. IMO, every poster should be held to the same standard, that is to stop the personal attacks, including smart alec (hurtful) comments when responding to posts, or calling someone out.

I'd like to encourage you to reframe you posts with the same passion, but minus the attitude.

[Robert Giacometti]

Chris, I appreciate your posts & your positions. I think it's quite obvious which side of the fence I stand on. However, the post in question did include a lot of accusation towards 1 particular myfolsom poster.

IMO, it's really easy to take pop shots at each other, instead of at the issue. I see that happening a lot around here. We are ALL very opinionated & judgmental of each other. This negativity feeds itself, and people then think it's ok to put down others. I think we all need to take some personal responsibility. We need to step back a moment before we post, and check our intentions. Ask yourself, "would that hurt me? someone else?" then don't post it. Ya know, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. IMO, every poster should be held to the same standard, that is to stop the personal attacks, including smart alec (hurtful) comments when responding to posts, or calling someone out.

I'd like to encourage you to reframe you posts with the same passion, but minus the attitude.

Cali, since you are fairly new to the forum, you haven't seen the history of the double standards. Chris and most all of the conservatives on here have experienced this many times. There have been numerous examples of this double standard pointed out in the past.

I must acknowledge that things have gotten better, however it still exists.

When anyone is called a racist, bigot, hateful or intolerant, that post should be deleted ASAP, because its name calling. When it isn't, then its a double standard.

You recently ended one of your posts with a disclaimer about NOT being this or that. Its a shame that people are bullied into doing this to avoid being attacked for expressing their opinion.

The majority of the conservatives on this forum respect that others have as much a right to their beliefs and opinions as they do! Most conservatives will defend others rights to express their opinions, even when they disagree, because they know this what democracy is all about!

[Harold]

I would suggest that you actually go back & read (& maybe look up a few words) to see what I actually said, instead of jumping to conclusions in your haste to give your opinion.

I'm curious to know: a) how many missionaries you personally know? b) your definition of a Christian? c) your definition of a missionary? d) your personal spiritual belief?

a) I'm related to 6 that I know of.
b) someone that goes to church on almost every sunday and practices the religion they believe in
c) The missionaries I know travel and move to foreign lands to teach the indigenous tribes about christianity, one aunt & uncle spent 20 years in Indonesia, another spent at least 15 years in the jungles of Brazil. The other aunt & uncle travelled to and from a variety of places, never living for long in any single foreign country, but would return to the states to tell the congregation of the church they belonged to what a wonderful job they were doing educating these foreigners about Christ the Lord.
d) I gave up on GOD when I realized how much crap I was being brainwashed with. The Bible paints a universe far different than the one we really live in, seems Noah, Adam, and others had no clue what stars and galaxies and dinosaurs and plate tectonics and so on and so on are. I came to the conclusion it makes more sense to believe modern day scientists more than to believe those who weren't much advanced from the caveman days as to how the universe was formed, how the animals and plants came to be, etc.

[caligirlz]

Cali, since you are fairly new to the forum, you haven't seen the history of the double standards. Chris and most all of the conservatives on here have experienced this many times. There have been numerous examples of this double standard pointed out in the past.

I must acknowledge that things have gotten better, however it still exists.

When anyone is called a racist, bigot, hateful or intolerant, that post should be deleted ASAP, because its name calling. When it isn't, then its a double standard.

You recently ended one of your posts with a disclaimer about NOT being this or that. Its a shame that people are bullied into doing this to avoid being attacked for expressing their opinion.

The majority of the conservatives on this forum respect that others have as much a right to their beliefs and opinions as they do! Most conservatives will defend others rights to express their opinions, even when they disagree, because they know this what democracy is all about!

I know I'm new to the forum, and I'm a new moderator. I've heard about the double standard history, and I do see it currently. I'm wondering how the forum rules can be more prominently displayed, and enforced (& I have some ideas). The negativity is inappropriate in an adult forum. Let's stop acting like 2 year olds, and start acting like responsible adults.

I'm wondering if any of the posters ever reads the "Politic Forum Rules":

Forum Rules

Strict enforcement:
1. No name calling or insults to other posters (You are a ____, ____ is an idiot)
2. No "baiting" to get a reaction.
3. No whining about how ___ is unfair. Especially these rules.
4. No flooding the boards with propaganda (excessive new threads all about why Bush is an idiot, etc)
5. No messages of "hate"


Moderate enforcement (usually just a warning, but we will give you a strike if you don't pay attention to warnings)
1. No cutting & pasting of articles
2. No flooding the boards with new threads (excessive new threads about random things that don't really add value to the board. 1 or 2 new threads a day is not that big of a deal, but don't add a new thread to every interesting thing you see on the internet).

Any controversial political or social topic may be discussed in the "Nat'l. Politics Forum, with the exception of abortion. This topic gets ugly fast, and it's not worth the headache. We'll close the threads if we see it being discussed.


John has the power to change any avatar or signature, at any time.

Them's the rules, folks. "Be cool or be gone!"

DOES ANYONE READ THESE????

[caligirlz]

a) I'm related to 6 that I know of.
b) someone that goes to church on almost every sunday and practices the religion they believe in
c) The missionaries I know travel and move to foreign lands to teach the indigenous tribes about christianity, one aunt & uncle spent 20 years in Indonesia, another spent at least 15 years in the jungles of Brazil. The other aunt & uncle travelled to and from a variety of places, never living for long in any single foreign country, but would return to the states to tell the congregation of the church they belonged to what a wonderful job they were doing educating these foreigners about Christ the Lord.
d) I gave up on GOD when I realized how much crap I was being brainwashed with. The Bible paints a universe far different than the one we really live in, seems Noah, Adam, and others had no clue what stars and galaxies and dinosaurs and plate tectonics and so on and so on are. I came to the conclusion it makes more sense to believe modern day scientists more than to believe those who weren't much advanced from the caveman days as to how the universe was formed, how the animals and plants came to be, etc.

Thank you Harold, I really appreciate your response to my questions. It has confirmed my assumptions based on your history of posts.

b) someone that goes to church on almost every sunday and practices the religion they believe in

That is religion, Christiandom, not biblical Christianity.

The vast majority of people, believe this -- that one is a christian if they go to church, or if their parents to to church, or if there parent is a pastor, missionary, elder, etc. Many people believe they are "saved" for these reasons. And it's totally inaccurate according to the Bible. Christianity is not a performance/works-based thing, it's a personal relationship with God through his son, Jesus Christ.

There are many people who do things, good things, in the name of God, who do not have a personal relationship with God, but yet they are still able to do miraculous things. The Bible talks about them. It points out that they have done all these things in the name of God, but on judgement day, God will reject them, because HE never KNEW them. They did not have a RELATIONSHIP with God. They were operating under their own will. These people "sound" just like the true believer, but there are always signs, as laid out in the Bible, for the discerning believer..... As I said before, only God knows the heart of men, and which category they fall into - false/name-only christians, or real christians. It's not my place to make that judgment.

BUT, I understand that the Bible has no meaning to you. That's ok, we can agree to disagree. Forgive me for going off on a tangent. No further need to continue on this subject. Let's return back to the original topic.

[ducky]

I don't think I've called anyone names, nor posted any messages of hate. I've tried to debate this respectfully. I didn't see the post that was deleted, but I enjoyed hearing Chris's point of view, too.

If I've offended anyone, I'm sorry for that, but I'm just trying to explain my point of view. I don't expect everyone to agree with it.

Peace out.

[Robert Giacometti]

I know I'm new to the forum, and I'm a new moderator. I've heard about the double standard history, and I do see it currently. I'm wondering how the forum rules can be more prominently displayed, and enforced (& I have some ideas). The negativity is inappropriate in an adult forum. Let's stop acting like 2 year olds, and start acting like responsible adults.

I can't speak for everyone, but most conservatives simply want the rules to be enforced equally for all. When someone is called a name, that post should be deleted and the issued delt with the poster. When someone is called a hater, racist, bigot or homophobe, that post should be deleted....but it isn't. This leads to frustrations and more inflamed posts.

I think the moderators collectively are fair and do a good job. However from time to time, their seems to be occassions where a Moderator may allow their personal beliefs affect their fairness in enforcement Since we are all human and imperfect, its understandable that this will happen on occassions. Over time there has been a pattern of this emerge, so for conservatives its seems to be more than just a harmless incident.


I suspect if the name calling and labeling was addressed more fairly by moderators, then the civility will return.