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#136 mac_convert

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

Zimmerman was told to stay away and not confront the person he was calling about. He chose to continue following Martin.

I don't have a side and realize I don't have all of the facts! I just believe that if I called in an emergency to 911 and chose to not follow the the dispatch officer's directions and I got into trouble I would be at fault for not following the directions.

What law did Zimmerman break?

As I said earlier, I wouldn't want to be Zimmerman. I suspect he is going to sufffer plenty from all this. He may NOT be guilty of any crime ( then again he might be guilty of murder), but that doesn't make him innocent.

Sadly its looking like Martin's actions may have tragically led to his death. We should all learn from this and share this with our children, so that maybe that something can be gained from this!



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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:00 PM

Zimmerman was told to stay away and not confront the person he was calling about. He chose to continue following Martin.

I don't have a side and realize I don't have all of the facts! I just believe that if I called in an emergency to 911 and chose to not follow the the dispatch officer's directions and I got into trouble I would be at fault for not following the directions.

Zimmerman may have, in fact, followed the suggestion from the police. Listen to the call and you can hear Zimmerman breathing heavily, and then his breath return to normal suggesting he stopped running after Trayvon. If I heard correctly in Friday's bond hearing, Zimmerman lawyer, through questing, said that Zimmerman went a little further to get a sign where they were so he could report that to the police, then turned around to return to his truck.
Just to be clear, Zimmerman did not call 911. He called a non-emergency police number.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:31 PM

The title of this thread is rude.
It is racist because of the topic of the thread.
"Safety Alert! Your Lives Are In Danger!" REALLY? The only way it could have been worse is if it was called-"Safety Alert! White people's Lives are in Danger!"



I put up this thread after I heard black leaders calling for a race war to avenge the killing of Trayvon.

You may not agree with it, but if it can alert people to be more careful, and save more lives, then I feel it’s worth the crap I get from posters like you.

Our president and black leaders stirred the pot into a frenzy and it is still being stirred....and you are angry with me? A little misdirected, don’t you think?

This is a GOOD link....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411787/shots-fired-at-police-car-near-trayvon-martin-shooting-scene/

The black community wants to call Zimmerman white, he isn’t. Explain that one to me.

Also, since Zimmerman nor Trayvon are famous, why all the big blowup? This sort of thing happens every single day in Los Angeles! Only it’s mostly blacks killing other blacks.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 09:38 PM

Oh...and add this story to my last post...

http://www.myfoxchic...suburb-20120420

Think this is the only black that thinks this way? Think again.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 10:41 PM

Zimmerman was told to stay away and not confront the person he was calling about. He chose to continue following Martin.

I don't have a side and realize I don't have all of the facts! I just believe that if I called in an emergency to 911 and chose to not follow the the dispatch officer's directions and I got into trouble I would be at fault for not following the directions.

At this point it's not clear if Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after being told not to by the dispatcher.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

I put up this thread after I heard black leaders calling for a race war to avenge the killing of Trayvon.

You may not agree with it, but if it can alert people to be more careful, and save more lives, then I feel it’s worth the crap I get from posters like you.

Our president and black leaders stirred the pot into a frenzy and it is still being stirred....and you are angry with me? A little misdirected, don’t you think?

This is a GOOD link....

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57411787/shots-fired-at-police-car-near-trayvon-martin-shooting-scene/

The black community wants to call Zimmerman white, he isn’t. Explain that one to me.

Also, since Zimmerman nor Trayvon are famous, why all the big blowup? This sort of thing happens every single day in Los Angeles! Only it’s mostly blacks killing other blacks.






Maxine, it seems like you are easily influenced by the media. The "black" community is not trying to call Zimmerman anything-although I agree that some "blacks" are as outlandish as the people on the website that made you post this thread...MOST "blacks" aren't out to get whites...some radicals maybe-but its on both sides...this thread perpetuates hatred. I'm sorry that is just my opinion. In my opinion, Obama has proven to be an outstanding rep for all "blacks" in America. He turns the other cheek (if you are religious-that might mean something to you) to all of the hate that has been spewed on him because of his color. You warning me "that my life is in danger" is ridiculous. You posted it.
Honestly, if racism is in your heart-it is what it is. You will be able to find all sorts of stuff on the internet to back BOTH the "black" and white side on the www. This is a racist thread based on the title-the argument of who is guilty in this crime is a good one, but no, I dont feel my life is in danger from "black" on white crime...I do disagree with you.

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:09 PM

OH yea, the fact that you posted a link from Fox News (opinion) doesn't sway me one iota.

oh yea...look out for the zombie invasion!

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:35 AM

OH yea, the fact that you posted a link from Fox News (opinion) doesn't sway me one iota.

oh yea...look out for the zombie invasion!


Your thoughts on Spike Lee and Al Sharptons public notices calling for blacks to go "get/kill" Zimmerman? Was that ok for them to do?

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 10:19 AM

Seems to me the "black community" IS calling Zimmerman something...guilty of 1st degree murder.
Personally, I don't think Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speak for the "black community", but they ARE media whores who will insert themselves into ANY situation that furthers their racial agenda...truth be damned.
It is up to the "black community" (whatever that is) to denounce race baiting, otherwise, they give credence to those hustlers.
The MEDIA were the ones hyping the racial aspect to begin with...you know, rich white liberals filled with guilt, or maybe just cynics looking to boost ratings regardless of the personal or social costs.
I seriously doubt there was any racial component to this event, but rather a series of bad decisions on both parts.
Time will tell as the trial goes on and facts are presented. Whatever the outcome, makes no difference to me as I believe justice will eventually be served.

What does concern me is the slanted, inaccurate reporting done and the race profiteers whipping things into a frenzy. I am more concerned that a bounty was put out on Zimmerman's head, and that our Justice Dept turned a blind eye to that.

Obama should have stayed out of it. Period. If he had to insert himself, he would have been far more mature and presidential to simply state, "A full investigation is underway. While I know emotions are running high, I urge everyone to withhold judgement until all the facts come out." THAT is what a leader does, not add more fuel to the fire.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:11 PM

Seems to me the "black community" IS calling Zimmerman something...guilty of 1st degree murder.
Personally, I don't think Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speak for the "black community", but they ARE media whores who will insert themselves into ANY situation that furthers their racial agenda...truth be damned.
It is up to the "black community" (whatever that is) to denounce race baiting, otherwise, they give credence to those hustlers.
The MEDIA were the ones hyping the racial aspect to begin with...you know, rich white liberals filled with guilt, or maybe just cynics looking to boost ratings regardless of the personal or social costs.
I seriously doubt there was any racial component to this event, but rather a series of bad decisions on both parts.
Time will tell as the trial goes on and facts are presented. Whatever the outcome, makes no difference to me as I believe justice will eventually be served.

What does concern me is the slanted, inaccurate reporting done and the race profiteers whipping things into a frenzy. I am more concerned that a bounty was put out on Zimmerman's head, and that our Justice Dept turned a blind eye to that.

Obama should have stayed out of it. Period. If he had to insert himself, he would have been far more mature and presidential to simply state, "A full investigation is underway. While I know emotions are running high, I urge everyone to withhold judgement until all the facts come out." THAT is what a leader does, not add more fuel to the fire.

I hope you are right that in the end, Justice will be served. I'm not so optimistic, I belive OJ got away with murder, I don't believe Justice was truly served in that case, and I believe there is a definite possibility Justice won't be served in this case either.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 03:20 PM

Your thoughts on Spike Lee and Al Sharptons public notices calling for blacks to go "get/kill" Zimmerman? Was that ok for them to do?



Very well said! That is the whole reason of my thread...to hold famous people accountable for their making statements that endanger the public welfare....including the president. The media chose to print those statements due to it being from those people. Although it was unwise and served no useful purpose.

We will never know the amount of blood shed that their remarks has caused and the life time of pain the victims and their relatives will have to live with, black or white.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:10 PM

Your thoughts on Spike Lee and Al Sharptons public notices calling for blacks to go "get/kill" Zimmerman? Was that ok for them to do?



Al Sharpton and Spike Lee Jesse Jackson are fools. Of course its never right to encourage someone to kill another human being. And I don't listen to them so I didn't hear them say this...I am going by your word Dude that they did.

It still doesn't make the title of this thread not racist-just sayin...

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:46 PM

Will the media hold itself responsible for THIS? Will Al Sharpton express outrage over it? Actions have consequences.

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:05 PM

Al Sharpton and Spike Lee Jesse Jackson are fools. Of course its never right to encourage someone to kill another human being. And I don't listen to them so I didn't hear them say this...I am going by your word Dude that they did.

It still doesn't make the title of this thread not racist-just sayin...


Good old Al Sharpton has blood on his hands.........

From Wikipedia: Freddie's Fashion MartIn 1995, a black Pentecostal Church, the United House of Prayer, which owned a retail property on 125th Street, asked Fred Harari, a Jewish tenant who operated Freddie's Fashion Mart, to evict his longtime subtenant, a black-owned record store called The Record Shack. Sharpton led a protest in Harlem against the planned eviction of The Record Shack.[36][37][38] Sharpton told the protesters, "We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business."[39]

On December 8, 1995, Roland J. Smith Jr., one of the protesters, entered Harari's store with a gun and flammable liquid, shot several customers and set the store on fire. The gunman fatally shot himself, and seven store employees died of smoke inhalation.[40][41] Fire Department officials discovered that the store's sprinkler had been shut down, in violation of the local fire code.[42] Sharpton claimed that the perpetrator was an open critic of himself and his nonviolent tactics. Sharpton later expressed regret for making the racial remark, "white interloper," and denied responsibility for inflaming or provoking the violence.[15][43]


And just look at Al Sharpton and the Tawana Brawley case if you have forgotten it........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton

Mr. Sharpton is a real piece of work and the fact that he is tolerated by this country and hired by MSNBC or whatever liberal network he's on is just shameful, absolutely shameful and disgusting....!

And I don't think the title of this thread is racist.......

I also think that none of us here have any idea what happened in this case and we are all just guessing....

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Posted 22 April 2012 - 06:11 PM

You don't know who initiated the confrontation. Zimmerman has every right to watch and observe someone. I'm NOT aware of Zimmerman breaking any law by observing Martin and/or following him.

As a rowdy young male, I can say that having been in/or witnessed friends getting into over 100 street fights, there maybe a very rare occassion where the person taking the first swing missed and in every single occassion it was because they were so drunk they could barely stand.

Typically in these street fight it was the male who felt they were domninant male who took the first swing, because they felt they could win. Typically you don't start a fight with someone who is going to kick your butt. A supermajority of these involved males who played football as that philosophy of being the more aggressive and dominating your opponent is taught.

Since Martin had been suspended from school in the past that may be an indication of behavioral issues.

When you put all these factors together and based upon what we know, its looking more and more like Zimmerman's story is accurate. There could be many other facts that haven't been released that would change my opinion.

I try to keep an open mind and look at all the facts before forming an opinion. Its surprising how many ( I'm NOT referring to Ducky here) who form their opinions and then look for reasons to justify their beliefs. Just because Zimmerman had a gun and Martin had skittles and ended up dead, doesn't mean that Zimmerman is guilty.


Questions for you, and others.

While we don't know all the facts of the case, at what age would you consider a person to be responsible for their own actions? Trayvon recently turned 17 (Feb. 5 was his birthday) before he was shot (Feb. 26) by Zimmerman. Granted, it is hard to judge the age of a person wearing a hoodie on a rainy night, but if he is considered to be a minor in the eyes of the law, and Zimmerman the adult, who had the mental capacity to make the better judgements that night? I don't know of many 16-17 year olds that make the most rational decisions, even if they are well-behaved kids. And as you said, Martin was suspended for behavioral issues, isn't this an indicator that he wasn't as rational as some of his peers are?

You say that Zimmerman's side of the story is looking
more accurate, but do these factors play any role in your belief in it?

I don't know what I would have done if I were in Zimmerman's shoes that night, chances are I wouldn't be out volunteering to be the lone neighborhood watch guy (safety in numbers) carrying a loaded gun around with me. I also doubt I would approach/follow someone that I thought to be suspicious.
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As for the intent of Maxine's reasons for posting this topic, it is deplorable that anyone would call for violence as a reaction towards another act of violence. However, this isn't unique to just the black community. I don't know of anyone on here that would advocate for such actions (as evidenced by everyone saying it was wrong in regards to what was said). But to use this thinking that silence from members of the community means that they are consenting to the actions of the few, when will Maxine (as a member of the anti-Obama crowd) say that Ted Nugent's rant against Obama and democrats (he said we should be beheaded) was wrong (since Boehner hasn't spoken out aggressively against this, is it safe to assume he's for the beheading of democrats)? Or is the rhetoric of Nugent different than the rhetoric of The New Black Panthers?
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