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#136 Carl G

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:18 AM

He wasn't fired for expressing his opinion. He was fired for bad behavior unbecoming of a company officer, that reflects poorly on the company. And the company has every right to do that. The former CEO of my company was similarly fired for bad behavior (nothing to do with gay marriage or free speech in general, and it was nothing illegal). The incident also shows bad judgment, and that's a big turn-off to any company.

You seem very sue-happy, based on this and the swim team thing. I don't know whether that is scary or just plain frustrating.

Last night channel 10 reported he resigned hours after the video went viral.

I'm fascinated by the contrast between Wednesday's show of support and how polite and patient everyone was as compared to this jerk and others who are against Chick-fil-a. Why are the Chick-fil-a hates so full of hate. Oh, I think I just answered my own question.

As a side note, for all those who think that Chick-fil-a discriminates... Did you know the owner of the Arden store is a gay man? And that there is a Rainbow Chamber of Commerce sticker on his door? For a company that is supposedly so full of hate, they sure seem to treat everyone equally.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 07:56 AM

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:04 AM

I've been in school all day. just got home.

already answered your question about other faiths and their ceremonies. separating a religious ceremony and liturgical terms on a legal document that affirms freedom of religion for all people : is something I take literally.


A marriage certificate is something a priest, rabbi, whatever- should sign as an affidavit to the family and the couple that they completed a religious ceremony.


Completely separate from that regardless of your religion or non religion views, a couple goes to the justice of the peace to sign a contract that they are house mates/ a couple, domestic partners, etc....and will comply with federal/state/ legal/financial rights and obligations as such- until they die or divorce.


I really can't believe this is so hard to understand.


Separation of church and state.


Isn't California already this way ? Domestic partners have all the same rights. They don't want the rights, they want to use the same terminology --married.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:11 AM

I wonder if he will sue the company for firing him? He was on break, and didn't appear to be in a uniform. I think free speech rights can be challenged for employment?



If you were doing business with that person, and you saw the video how could you do business with him again ?

Our Mayor in the 90's was on break too looking to party with hookers/coke and he wasn't Mayor long after that


His free speech was ok on the first statement but by the 5th or 6th it ended when the young lady said "you're making me uncomfortable."

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:06 AM

I wonder if he will sue the company for firing him? He was on break, and didn't appear to be in a uniform. I think free speech rights can be challenged for employment?


Uh how come libs are supporting this asshats right to free speech but condemning the CFA guys free speech???

Bunch of damn hypocrites!!

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:13 AM

It sickens me the company feels they need to go that far to protect their own interests. Especially the public announcement. The guy is on a break. He is not in a uniform, or company car, and did not announce whom his employer is. In no way is he representing the company. This is a violation of free speech and expression. A major labor law complaint.

I'm not saying the guys actions were not despicable but he did not beak any laws, or represent the company in his actions. This should have been handled differently.

For that reason alone, I think he Should sue. Not because his beliefs. But because the company should not be able to fire him for havng beliefs and verbalizing them when he is not actively on the clock.

And I do believe that if the company policy allows someone to leave the work premises while on a break, they should not be punished for free speech rights. No matter how differently the company feels about it.

This was not a hate crime, or a sexual misconduct, or an alcohol related driving caught on video...etc, etc. It was just a rant. And frankly the guy behaved like he was overdue a dose of zoloft or something...


That's just stupid, the guy deserved to be fired for his actions

Did you not hear about the marine who got fired for a recent Facebook posting?

Common sense is a lost art

The douch who made the video is not mentally fit to be an executive staff member and his dumbass hate video proved it

Would you really want to employ someone that mentally unstable and put them in charge of your entire finances?

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:19 AM

It sickens me the company feels they need to go that far to protect their own interests. Especially the public announcement. The guy is on a break. He is not in a uniform, or company car, and did not announce whom his employer is. In no way is he representing the company. This is a violation of free speech and expression. A major labor law complaint.

I'm not saying the guys actions were not despicable but he did not beak any laws, or represent the company in his actions. This should have been handled differently.

For that reason alone, I think he Should sue. Not because his beliefs. But because the company should not be able to fire him for havng beliefs and verbalizing them when he is not actively on the clock.

And I do believe that if the company policy allows someone to leave the work premises while on a break, they should not be punished for free speech rights. No matter how differently the company feels about it.

This was not a hate crime, or a sexual misconduct, or an alcohol related driving caught on video...etc, etc. It was just a rant. And frankly the guy behaved like he was overdue a dose of zoloft or something...


Poor sue happy supermom. You think every job out there requires a uniform and break times? You have a very union type mentality and are quick to try and find that one time incident to sue somebody to set yourself up for life it appears.

Jobs like the one this guy had means he is on the clock all the time and he represents his company with his actions. And the company shouldn't protect it's own interests? Really? It's a good thing you aren't a CEO!

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 11:06 AM

I was glad to read his company let him go. The girl held such a dignified front.

The liberal news has made a big deal about a quote Cathy made to a Christian reporter. I side with Cathy's view and don't believe marriage should be redefined. I believe homosexuality as a sin, but those who may or may not live the life style may not view it in my terms. I think all couples should be provided the same benefits, but let's leave the definition of marriage alone!

I agree with the bibilical view. I meant to give you a rep point but hit the negative instead. :(

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:07 PM

Uh how come libs are supporting this asshats right to free speech but condemning the CFA guys free speech???

Bunch of damn hypocrites!!


I don't know. I am supporting free speech for both.

I have not condemned either side.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 12:37 PM

Isn't California already this way ? Domestic partners have all the same rights. They don't want the rights, they want to use the same terminology --married.


No, California is not like "like that", at this time. California only recognizes opposite gender civil unions, and marriages. Further, according to the federal government; only States currently are recognizing same gender civil unions or same gender marriages.

This does not sound like a major distinction, unless you understand all of the implications in which "marriage" is given freedom and protections and how they are recognized.

What if your spouse is in an accident in another state while on the way to a seminar?
Does that state have to recognize your "marriage" for rights to be included in care, finances, possible death and burial,.
Will you health benefits change in different states when you travel?
What about interstate trade? Will your business be affected if your spouse is not recognized?
What about credit? What if our spouse has better credit than you and you need a cosigner because your marriage is not recognized?
What about the basic stuff everyone takes for granted. Like picking your kid up from school. Signing a check or sharing a bank account.
State employees civil unions medical benefits may be recognized, or rescinded at any time; because the Federal DOMA laws are infuriating unclear, (unconstitutional because they must be concise-) and they directly are misguided.

An example- The DADT has been rescinded. However, a soldier recently retired and upon pre-retirement phase paperwork, was instructed to fill out paper work for names of spouse and any dependents currently under the age of 21. That soldiers retirement package was denied and re-written without the soldiers signature, so that the retirement offices could delete the name of a same gender name on the application under spouse.

According to Federal DOMA laws, any states where an employer recognizes same sex spouses is merely doing so as an act of goodwill, and the employer may rescind those rights without the employees having any legal recourse.

Earlier this year, in the State of Washington, the Supreme Court heard a case in which an employer denied coverage of an employees spouse because they felt the DOMA was not legal. The Supreme Court in an absolutely amazing twist of candid BS, stated that because the company had already allowed payout of some of the costs of healthcare previously, must maintain that one account, but is not legally obligated to accept any further DOMA requests for health benefits; regardless of the companies previous stand on open marriages.

The Stonewall riots and the massacre of Harvey Milk is just a tiny little dent in the greater fight that gays have in gaining acceptance in mainstream America. So yeah, if you really want to understand the complications in DOMA/marriage/civil unions, then you need to understand what the definitions are in each States legislation, as well as the current Federal definition.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 05:24 PM

If you were doing business with that person, and you saw the video how could you do business with him again ?

Our Mayor in the 90's was on break too looking to party with hookers/coke and he wasn't Mayor long after that


His free speech was ok on the first statement but by the 5th or 6th it ended when the young lady said "you're making me uncomfortable."


The Mayor has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Your comparison is absurd.

One person is legally acting like a jerk, and whether the company condones it or not, the person is on a legal break and not representing the company.

The other person is clearly taking a schedule I drug and in violation of laws, that have a felony associated with possession of those drugs.

As for the "uncomfortable" part, well...do you have any idea how often drive thru employees deal with people that have the very same aggressive language? They are trained to expect it. Guess what. People act like asshats to the lowest paid workers in america because they like the power trip it gives them. It makes them feel good to scream at someone making minimum wage and know that person can't scream back for fear of losing that job.

But this guy didn't scream. He didn't use vulgarity. He merely used his position in the line in a drive thru to make a political statement of redress against the company that he felt injured his sensibilities.

I think instead of firing the guy, the company should have persuaded him to enter into counseling or anger management classes.

And maybe a class in treating strangers with respect.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:28 PM

It sickens me the company feels they need to go that far to protect their own interests. Especially the public announcement. The guy is on a break. He is not in a uniform, or company car, and did not announce whom his employer is. In no way is he representing the company. This is a violation of free speech and expression. A major labor law complaint.

I'm not saying the guys actions were not despicable but he did not beak any laws, or represent the company in his actions. This should have been handled differently.

For that reason alone, I think he Should sue. Not because his beliefs. But because the company should not be able to fire him for havng beliefs and verbalizing them when he is not actively on the clock.

And I do believe that if the company policy allows someone to leave the work premises while on a break, they should not be punished for free speech rights. No matter how differently the company feels about it.

This was not a hate crime, or a sexual misconduct, or an alcohol related driving caught on video...etc, etc. It was just a rant. And frankly the guy behaved like he was overdue a dose of zoloft or something...


You know... I have to ask a question of you... ? do you own a business...? if you do and one of your employees was out there and did what he did you'd be a fool not to fire him.

He was disrespectful and was taking his anger out on the wrong person... he "reflected badly" on his company and they have every stinking right to fire him... after all... it's still a free country...

Supermom... you are too "intolerant" and seem ready to excuse those people who are the "gay activists", the real haters...

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:32 PM

The Mayor has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Your comparison is absurd.

One person is legally acting like a jerk, and whether the company condones it or not, the person is on a legal break and not representing the company.

The other person is clearly taking a schedule I drug and in violation of laws, that have a felony associated with possession of those drugs.

As for the "uncomfortable" part, well...do you have any idea how often drive thru employees deal with people that have the very same aggressive language? They are trained to expect it. Guess what. People act like asshats to the lowest paid workers in america because they like the power trip it gives them. It makes them feel good to scream at someone making minimum wage and know that person can't scream back for fear of losing that job.

But this guy didn't scream. He didn't use vulgarity. He merely used his position in the line in a drive thru to make a political statement of redress against the company that he felt injured his sensibilities.

I think instead of firing the guy, the company should have persuaded him to enter into counseling or anger management classes.

And maybe a class in treating strangers with respect.


Oh god... you think the company should have persuaded him to enter "counseling'... god almighty... why..? he's a jerk with free will... and they have a company they think was harmed by his actions and the only way to let everyone know they don't support his rant was to fire him...

you must be a "guv-ment" worker... no one in the private sector has to put up with this... get real here...

what about his "personal responsibility"... he put that up on youtube for all to see.. that was his mistake so he pays the price...

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 08:50 PM

The Mayor has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Your comparison is absurd.

One person is legally acting like a jerk, and whether the company condones it or not, the person is on a legal break and not representing the company.

The other person is clearly taking a schedule I drug and in violation of laws, that have a felony associated with possession of those drugs.

As for the "uncomfortable" part, well...do you have any idea how often drive thru employees deal with people that have the very same aggressive language? They are trained to expect it. Guess what. People act like asshats to the lowest paid workers in america because they like the power trip it gives them. It makes them feel good to scream at someone making minimum wage and know that person can't scream back for fear of losing that job.

But this guy didn't scream. He didn't use vulgarity. He merely used his position in the line in a drive thru to make a political statement of redress against the company that he felt injured his sensibilities.

I think instead of firing the guy, the company should have persuaded him to enter into counseling or anger management classes.

And maybe a class in treating strangers with respect.



I can't believe you're standing up for this guy.

You're an Island. The gay community is not even standing up for that video.

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Posted 04 August 2012 - 09:30 PM

The Mayor has nothing whatsoever to do with this. Your comparison is absurd.

One person is legally acting like a jerk, and whether the company condones it or not, the person is on a legal break and not representing the company.

The other person is clearly taking a schedule I drug and in violation of laws, that have a felony associated with possession of those drugs.

As for the "uncomfortable" part, well...do you have any idea how often drive thru employees deal with people that have the very same aggressive language? They are trained to expect it. Guess what. People act like asshats to the lowest paid workers in america because they like the power trip it gives them. It makes them feel good to scream at someone making minimum wage and know that person can't scream back for fear of losing that job.

But this guy didn't scream. He didn't use vulgarity. He merely used his position in the line in a drive thru to make a political statement of redress against the company that he felt injured his sensibilities.

I think instead of firing the guy, the company should have persuaded him to enter into counseling or anger management classes.

And maybe a class in treating strangers with respect.



Really? You are supporting this guy? He told a 17 year old girl " How do you sleep at night?" ....This guy is nothing but an Arssse




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