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#136 tsukiji

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:45 PM

Tsukiji- so a neighbor who doesn't believe in free medical care is a criminal because he voted against going condoms to rapists in the prisons? Or worse, refused medical transparency of any prisoners after being released from prison. After all, we should know if someone has aids, right?-- Just in case they get into a relationship and "don't" tell the partner?

How about stop blaming people or making anyone "pay" for the crime- except the actual person who committed the crime?


I didn't follow your extrapolations. But I would blame not only the criminal but the neighbor who inhibited my ability to defend myself.

But for the actions of the neighbor, I might not have been harmed.

In other words, perhaps many of the victims of violent crime wouldn't have been victims if they were allowed to freely exercise their basic rights. Yes, the criminal committed the crime. But it the anti's who enabled the defenseless situation.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:41 PM

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 09:10 PM

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:39 PM

Saw this on a different forum. I respect the mayor and his duty to the oath of his office. It's a shame that others disregard their oaths in favor of personal beliefs, at local, state and federal levels. If you agree with the actions of this mayor, regardless of your position, it'd be nice to send him a note commending him for maintaining the integrity of his office.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 09:35 AM

I found these articles via a different forum. Very long and I haven't read them in detail. There are one or two concepts with which I disagree, but it's more along the lines of how it's positioned. But they seem to make some good points for consideration.

Posting here in advance of a fully formed opinion for others to read and ponder.

http://www.thepolemi...or-gun.html?m=1

http://rkba.org/comment/cowards.html

This in particular (from second link) begs consideration, for it seems forgotten by the populace over our 200+ years:


The laws proscribing concealed-carry of firearms by honest, law-abiding citizens breed nothing but disrespect for the law. As the Founding Fathers knew well, a government that does not trust its honest, law-abiding, taxpaying citizens with the means of self-defense is not itself worthy of trust. Laws disarming honest citizens proclaim that the government is the master, not the servant, of the people. A federal law along the lines of the Florida statute -- overriding all contradictory state and local laws and acknowledging that the carrying of firearms by law-abiding citizens is a privilege and immunity of citizenship -- is needed to correct the outrageous conduct of state and local officials operating under discretionary licensing systems.


What we certainly do not need is more gun control. Those who call for the repeal of the Second Amendment so that we can really begin controlling firearms betray a serious misunderstanding of the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights does not grant rights to the people, such that its repeal would legitimately confer upon government the powers otherwise proscribed. The Bill of Rights is the list of the fundamental, inalienable rights, endowed in man by his Creator, that define what it means to be a free and independent people, the rights which must exist to ensure that government governs only with the consent of the people.


At one time this was even understood by the Supreme Court. In United States v. Cruikshank (1876), the first case in which the Court had an opportunity to interpret the Second Amendment, it stated that the right confirmed by the Second Amendment "is not a right granted by the constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence." The repeal of the Second Amendment would no more render the outlawing of firearms legitimate than the repeal of the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment would authorize the government to imprison and kill people at will. A government that abrogates any of the Bill of Rights, with or without majoritarian approval, forever acts illegitimately, becomes tyrannical, and loses the moral right to govern.



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Posted 14 February 2013 - 02:24 PM

http://www.nagr.org/...n.aspx?pid=th17

Send a message to your congressman to stop the DiFi weapons ban.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:29 AM

Gun Violence Statistics So Simple a Raging Liberal Can Get Them

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 08:46 AM


Saw this on a different forum. I respect the mayor and his duty to the oath of his office. It's a shame that others disregard their oaths in favor of personal beliefs, at local, state and federal levels. If you agree with the actions of this mayor, regardless of your position, it'd be nice to send him a note commending him for maintaining the integrity of his office.


I fully agree with the mayors comments, but is it necessary to bring a weapon to a city council meeting?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:01 AM

I fully agree with the mayors comments, but is it necessary to bring a weapon to a city council meeting?


Short answer is 'yes'. Conceptually, it's the same as preparing for accidents. When carrying a gun, one hopes to never, ever have to use it. But since you can't predict when you might need one, you always carry it when possible. The public will never know when a responsible owner is carrying a gun. If one could predict when a gun would be needed, one could just carry it during those times.

A well known case in point:

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:05 AM

Even when there is an armed police officer at the meeting?

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

Even when there is an armed police officer at the meeting?


Yes. But I won't debate this. If it's a serious question, it's worth the thought exercise. If it's a bait, I won't debate it.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:18 AM

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Stevens 320 Shotgun right in the doorway. I gave it 6 shells, and noticing that it had no legs, I placed it in my wheelchair to help it get around. I then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign right in front of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there in the wheelchair, right where I had left it. It hadn't rolled itself outside. It hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities presented. In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is flat out lying, and it’s the misuse of guns by PEOPLE that kills people, or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in the world. Alright, well I’m off to check on my spoons. I hear they’re making people fat.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:21 PM


Yes. But I won't debate this. If it's a serious question, it's worth the thought exercise. If it's a bait, I won't debate it.

It's not bait. I don't see the need to have a concealed weapon if there is a police officer in the room.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:32 PM

It's not bait. I don't see the need to have a concealed weapon if there is a police officer in the room.


If you're truly serious, I'd encourage you to think about the situation and try to identify reasonable scenarios. Here are a couple of obvious ones:

1) What if a bad guy (1 or more) entered the chambers and first shot the armed officer in the room?
2) What if one is assaulted coming to / leaving the city building? Where does one check weapons upon entering the city building? By the way, the act of checking no longer enables concealed carry. Any one can identify you as a person carrying a weapon which leaves you at a tactical disadvantage if attacked.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 06:47 PM


If you're truly serious, I'd encourage you to think about the situation and try to identify reasonable scenarios. Here are a couple of obvious ones:

1) What if a bad guy (1 or more) entered the chambers and first shot the armed officer in the room?
2) What if one is assaulted coming to / leaving the city building? Where does one check weapons upon entering the city building? By the way, the act of checking no longer enables concealed carry. Any one can identify you as a person carrying a weapon which leaves you at a tactical disadvantage if attacked.

Seems like a paranoid way to go through life.




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