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[Who_Do_You_Trust]

That's right!
The accords will stay in place until 2020, by which time Trump will be out of office.

 

Vinny,  I think I saw the first time America can actually pull out of the Accords is the day before the 2020 election.  guaranteed it will be a huge election issue.

[2 Aces]

If you don't think a President can stop money from going to an "accord", then you're ignorant as to what an "accord" is. But I'm not surprised. Dumbo.

[verdadcajero]

If you don't think a President can stop money from going to an "accord", then you're ignorant as to what an "accord" is. But I'm not surprised. Dumbo.

It's a car made by Honda you ignorant covfefe!

[Who_Do_You_Trust]

Crazy report for June 2 - 

 

Actually this is a NOT crazy report.  After listening to statements today from foreign nations, American citizens, state governors, city mayors, and the corporate world, it appears that even without US government help and leadership, most will continue to move in the direction of the Paris Accord objectives.  It's good news.

 

What's particularly notable are the statements from corporate America.  Some of our largest corporations, including those from the oil & gas industries, have made a commitment to pursue objectives in the Paris Accords.  this means that corporate America has figured out a way to make the endeavor profitable.  If chasing climate change objectives was a money losing deal as Trump asserts, corporate America wouldn't be anywhere in the room.  but they're all over it, which means it's NOT a money loser, or job killer, or whatever the latest right wing draconian terminology is this week.  

 

Even though our fearless leader seems to have a couple screws loose, the good news is that most others haven't joined him.  they're not crazy.

[The Average Joe]

Crazy report for June 2 - 

 

  Some of our largest corporations, including those from the oil & gas industries, have made a commitment to pursue objectives in the Paris Accords.  this means that corporate America has figured out a way to make the endeavor profitable.  If chasing climate change objectives was a money losing deal as Trump asserts, corporate America wouldn't be anywhere in the room.  but they're all over it, which means it's NOT a money loser, or job killer, or whatever the latest right wing draconian terminology is this week.  

 

 

What corporate America has figured out is that WE will make unviable energy sources viable by MASSIVELY subsidizing them.  Corporate America is just firmly latched onto the government teet. They ARE money losers if made to compete on a level field. Ask the Germans how their green energy plan is going...or Spain

 

Yawn. Paris objectives are silly and will have nearly zero effect on any warming despite costing trillions.

[verdadcajero]

Reciting the DNC talking points again, robot boy? Climate Change is a hoax, fraud, and blatant money grab. Just because you've been brainwashed doesn't change that fact. God Bless the Courage of Trump!

I believe in the science supporting dementia and hope it erodes what's left of your messiah's brain quickly! Have a very covfefe evening.

[Who_Do_You_Trust]

 

What corporate America has figured out is that WE will make unviable energy sources viable by MASSIVELY subsidizing them.  Corporate America is just firmly latched onto the government teet. They ARE money losers if made to compete on a level field. Ask the Germans how their green energy plan is going...or Spain

 

Yawn. Paris objectives are silly and will have nearly zero effect on any warming despite costing trillions.

 

Joe - Interesting that you bring up subsidies.  Here are some facts regarding subsidization of both fossil fuel and renewable energy:

 

1)  The average annual subsidization of fossil fuels is more than 13x greater than the average annual subsidization of renewable energy, even though fossil fuels have been receiving government support for 70 years longer than renewables have.   (Source - DBL Investors, September 2011, http://bit.ly/N9Isin)

 

2)  In 2011, worldwide pre-tax subsidies for fossil fuels reached $480B.  On a post-tax basis, in which carbon emissions, environmental damage, and negative public health effects are taken into account, worldwide government subsidies for fossil fuels totaled $1.9 trillion. (Source - International Monetary Fund, January 2013, http://bit.ly/1coLJmn)

 

3)  The Section 199 manufacturing credit alone, which applies to oil and gas producers, accounts for over $14B in oil and gas tax breaks.   (Source - The Joint Committee on Taxation, March 2012, http://1.usa.gov/Pq8hw3)

 

4)  The nuclear power industry has received four times more subsidies than the distributed solar industry and has had six times longer to mature.  Since the 1950s, California's nuclear power suppliers have received over $8.21 billion in federal support. (Source - DBL Investors, August 2013, http://bit.ly/Ofdeqq)

 

And here's the kicker:

 

5)  If the big five oil companies—BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, and Shell – retain their current tax breaks, they will save $73,000 on their taxes for every $1 spent on lobbying in 2013. (Center for American Progress, November 2013, http://bit.ly/1c7CVnb)

 

So it appears fossil fuel companies are sucking up $zillions more in subsidies than renewables ever would.  Not only are renewables more efficient at delivering energy, they are also much more tax efficient than fossil fuels.  Fancy that.  

 

And I have no clue where you get the idea that "Corporate America is just firmly latched onto the government teet."  I just looked thru a couple annual reports (IBM, Boeing, Johnson Controls, Honeywell).  They talk about their efforts to become "green"  and when you look at their financials, the sum total of government subsidies they received was $0 in each case.

[UncleVinnys]

The answer is "Yes!"  Trump is unhinged. So, can we finally close this topic?

 

Tweeting and fuming, Trump spirals further into crisis

 

http://www.nbcnews.c...-crisis-n768211

 

 

For a presidency that's already in crisis — see his 36% job-approval rating per Gallup or this Thursday's upcoming testimony by former FBI Director James Comey — the last 24 hours or so have been extraordinarily horrendous for President Trump.

 

For starters, there was his out of context shot at London's mayor after the terrorist attack on the city Saturday night (before playing a round of golf). Then there were his tweets this morning that called his revised travel ban "watered down" and "politically correct," potentially undermining his administration's legal defense that the ban doesn't discriminate against Muslims. And then there's this stunning Politico article — that Trump deliberately failed to include language in his recent NATO speech reaffirming the alliance's Article 5 provision.

 

"It was not until the next day, Thursday, May 25, when Trump started talking at an opening ceremony for NATO's new Brussels headquarters, that the president's national security team realized their boss had made a decision with major consequences - without consulting or even informing them in advance of the change."

     

[UncleVinnys]

Debate is over. Trump is insane.

 

 

(Ignoring half-aced attempt to change the subject.)

[UncleVinnys]

Support For Donald Trump's Impeachment Is Now Higher Than His Approval Rating

 

http://www.newsweek....te-house-620913

 

The president's approval rating dipped from nearly 42 percent to just 36 percent over the weekend, according to a Gallupdaily tracking poll published Monday. Trump's declining popularity is inching closer toward his all-time low of 35 percent as president in March, when Gallup had the president’s approval at just 35 percent. What's more, nearly 43 percent of American voters support the idea of beginning the official impeachment process for Trump, according to a Politicl/Morning Consult poll published Wednesday.

 

 

             

[The Average Joe]

Support For Donald Trump's Impeachment Is Now Higher Than His Approval Rating

 

http://www.newsweek....te-house-620913

 

The president's approval rating dipped from nearly 42 percent to just 36 percent over the weekend, according to a Gallupdaily tracking poll published Monday. Trump's declining popularity is inching closer toward his all-time low of 35 percent as president in March, when Gallup had the president’s approval at just 35 percent. What's more, nearly 43 percent of American voters support the idea of beginning the official impeachment process for Trump, according to a Politicl/Morning Consult poll published Wednesday.

 

 

             

 

 

And 75% of those same people have absolutely no idea what impeachment means or what is an impeachable offense.  Heck, the voters in CA are so dumb that all you have to do is put children or school in the title of a measure and they will vote for it. Not to mention idiocracy like the bullet train. No, most people don't spend even a small amount of time or energy educating themselves.. about anything.

 

What exactly are you going to impeach him for?  There is ZERO evidence of collusion, he has no lied under oath,  he has not committed high crime and misdemeanors.   I guess if you go by Ford's logic, “an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.... there are few fixed principles among the handful of precedents.”

however, that is generally not considered to be the case.  In ANY scenario, the House must bring the charges and the Senate must concur with 2/3 vote.  Barring a huge smoking gun of unassailable proof of wrongdoing, NEVER....GOING...TO....HAPPEN. SO take your wet dream about impeachment and move on. Your "side" lost by running a terrible candidate with no platform. Better luck in 2020, but based on the Dem bench, I'm thinking your prospects are not so good...

[verdadcajero]

How about that "E-LEE" Wiesel. Your pathetic orange smudge of excrement messiah has no idea who is! Sad!

[Who_Do_You_Trust]

 

And 75% of those same people have absolutely no idea what impeachment means or what is an impeachable offense.  Heck, the voters in CA are so dumb that all you have to do is put children or school in the title of a measure and they will vote for it. Not to mention idiocracy like the bullet train. No, most people don't spend even a small amount of time or energy educating themselves.. about anything.

 

What exactly are you going to impeach him for?  There is ZERO evidence of collusion, he has no lied under oath,  he has not committed high crime and misdemeanors.   I guess if you go by Ford's logic, “an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history.... there are few fixed principles among the handful of precedents.”

however, that is generally not considered to be the case.  In ANY scenario, the House must bring the charges and the Senate must concur with 2/3 vote.  Barring a huge smoking gun of unassailable proof of wrongdoing, NEVER....GOING...TO....HAPPEN. SO take your wet dream about impeachment and move on. Your "side" lost by running a terrible candidate with no platform. Better luck in 2020, but based on the Dem bench, I'm thinking your prospects are not so good...

 

Appears to me the dems are extracting revenge for the years of obstructionist politics the republicans reigned down on Obama.  Both sides are "party over country".  More descent into chaos.

[verdadcajero]

Personally I find myself drinking at all times of the day since YOUR president took office and putting up with conservtards like you. Bigly sad!

[The Average Joe]

That actually explains quite a lot about your posts....