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[camay2327]

John, you are so right, the ball field at Catlin Park isn't used very much. Like you said, I to have seen Cricket there on Saturday or Sunday mornings.

[grandpa babe]

John, are you the same John that set the ground rules for this website to have everyone play nicely! What in the world does the word "friggin" mean? I cannot find it in Webster and besides that I believe it is spelled incorrectly. In any event, I am disappointed that our rules master has fund it necessary to remove the rules. Kind of reminds me of the council members.

By the way, if the ball field next to you is seldom used why not put the library there?

I think we should re-establish the rules for playing nicely.

[Steve Heard]

Grandpa

I really think it's more about old timers feeling like their city isn't theirs anymore. It is more about resisting change, and not being heard, than it is about desecration of a memorial.

I think the site is a good one, and the library can be built without taking over the park, and will be a nice addition to the area, helping to create more of a civic center for our town.

[john]

I don't understand how I'm not being ethical about my comments... is it because you disagree with me?

The rules are simple... no personal attacks, hate messages, or racial blasts. You may disagree with me (which is perfectly fine), but if that's the case, that's what this forum is for, it's to discuss these things.

When I said I was taking off my "webmaster hat", it meant I was standing up and being vocal about something. I typically try and let others do the debating for the most part. I don't want the fact that you disagree with me to make you not want to continue to visit this site. I disagree with lots of people... it doesn't mean that I don't like them or think they are bad people, we just have different perspectives on things.

[waterbaby149]

Have you ever heard of Patrotisim (sp)

That is about serving your country -

If u all are computer literate - then take your search engines and put in "California Military and Veterans Code"
it is part of the legislative code for the State of California
just like the Family Code, the Criminal Code, Probate Code

and when u are done researching the California Code which are legislatures often work late into the night on

have your search engine take a look at the Federal Code

and after doing this small bit of research - research u can also obtain at your library or you might want to try the law library in Auburn on Lincoln Way across from the court house - u know the court house in Auburn, the historic building

then u come back and tell me that removing a Veteran's Memorial is ok
that u can find a classification that legally permits the removal and replacement of this memorial

u do remember the Twin Towers in New York don't u

[waterbaby149]

California Codes
Military and Veterans Code Section 1318

1318. Every person who ................, tears down, or removes any veterans' memorial constructed or established by any veterans' association, as defined in subdivision © of Section 1260, is guilty of a crime punishable by imprisonment in the state prison or by imprisonment in the county jail for less than one year.


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[Folsomite]

I'm not sure how upgrading a memorial is considered "malicious". Malicious is graffiti, taking a sledgehammer to something... from what I can tell, the city council doesn't plan to even touch the rock. Any council members like to chime in on this? I know you are out there reading from time to time.

[grandpa babe]

To John, stevethedad, dave, folsomite, and "all the ships at sea."

I have read so much that I am forgetting who said what to who, consequently, I am addressing my remarks to everyone. To the person who believes me to be a part of the "old codgers", I pray that God willing you will some day be in my same age bracket and I trust that if you have done a reasonable job at parenting the youth will have more respect for their elders than to call them names.

stevethedad. I remember you from the fact that you work for the mayor and since I have visited most of the sites on this web, you remind me a lot of candy apple alias "Tokyo Rose". You have had as much to say about the gay marriage rights as you have the library. I wonder if you are one of the married ones that Harley is referring to as some of the married folks he has met. It is clear that all of you are beginning to understand that this issue is not over a ball field or a rock monument....it is over the destruction of a substantial part of our original and currently "city park". As I have stated before, the Lion members and veterans would be equally obstinate even if you wanted to put a church on this site. I trust that does not make us anti-Christ.

One of you asked about common ground or something we could all agree upon. I believe there is something we could all agree upon and stop the recall efforts and the devisive tactics within this community. Specifically, the pro recall team believes that we represent the majority opinion of this community. The majority of the city council believes that they represent the majority of this community relevant to the placement of the library. Clearly one of us "is wrong." Consequently, I believe there is a common ground to prove who or which of us is right or wrong. The city council can put this issue to a vote on the November ballot with a stroke of their pen. If the vote is in favor of a library on this site, I would work toward calling off the Lions and the veterans---the two organizations believe in the democratic process and if the majority would rather exchange a portion of their park for a library then that is what we (Lions and vets) have defended for low this many years. If any of you have influence with one or more members of the city council and they have interest in this offer, you know how to email me.

In the mean time, let us play nicely and John, I still am interested in your explanation for friggin !

[john]

grandpa babe,
I thought you were being sarcastic...
"friggin" is a synonym for 4-letter word that starts with "f". I'll let you fill inthe blanks...

[grandpa babe]

JOHN

I am not sure that I was trying to be anything. I did, and do, know the term. However, as a 20 year serviceman, I believe in and live by the "rules of engagement" and when I first visited this site (6 days go) I first read the rules. I was surprised that the first offender of the rules was (in my short history) the "maker of the rules". It is kind of like GOD being the first to break a commandment!!!

It is OK, given my age this is not my first disappointment. Probable not my last. However, I do promise to be nice and play by the rules as I understand them.

[Steve Heard]

Grandpa

Yes, I've got opinions. As a moderator, I am encouraged to share them, ijn order to keep the boards busy. As an American, I have the right to voice them. As a decent human being, I seek the truth, and feel compelled to point out the inequities and wrongs I see and hear. This forum provides the opportunity.

I see nothing wrong with the library site, and have been told by countless in the know that many sites were considered, public input was encouraged and accepted, and the decision of the site was made after careful consideration, believe that the new library will contain a better memorial than the existing one, and agree that the field is little used, you resort to a personal attack?

You think because I believe we should leave gays alone and let them marry each other if they care to do so, and that our lives will not be changed, you suggest that I may be one of the married bi-sexuals Farley was referring to?

Girlfriend, with the hissy you are throwing over the library site, I'm getting suspicious of you, too. Just what do you DO in that park? SNAP! Backatcha!

Seriously, for me, the 'if you're defending them you must be one of 'em' tactic doesn't work. This ain't the McCarthy era.

Stick to the issue at hand.

I think the recall is wrong, divisive, and expensive.

[john]

grandpa, I still don't know what you are referring to by me "breaking the rules"... enlighten me... ?

[folsomBlondie]

Everyone breaks rules

Nobody's perfect.

[waterbaby149]

It is so wonderful that our wonderful cc keeps behaving in such a consistent manner
that is - upsetting one and all

now let me see how many fire personel and their respective spouses and significant others will be signing the recall petition

I understand Starsky really put his foot in it

Anyone who desires to run for cc should start soliciting support

and to begin with they can contact members of the Joint Veterans or members of the Lions Club

so much for "malcontents"

[Ahnold]

oh waterbaby that's just brilliant! your issue doesn't have enough momentum of it's own (you've been gathering signatures for HOW long and are still nowhere near the minimum??), so you're going to turn to people that are disgruntled over other issues - people who likely don't give a damn about this issue, one way or the other.

But before you go recruiting your mercenaries, here's food for thought... one of the key issues raised by our firefighters is that its too expensive for them to live in this community! so how many are you going to to get to sign this recall petition of yours? are you training your volunteers to misrepresent the nature of the recall effort?

With all due respect to you and your service to the country, please try to stick to the issue at hand.