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#151 Bob

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Posted 15 August 2004 - 03:23 PM

A few additional comments about Tom Aceituno's letter:

Val addressed the specific comments of his letter very well, so my comments will be general.

First of all, to Tom: As a former City leader, you owe the residents of Folsom an explanation for abandoning something that just a few years ago you emphatically supported:

flag.gif The right of the residents of Folsom to have a direct vote regarding development south of 50. flag.gif

You told me that an initiative was the ONLY way to ensure this. We have delivered such an initiative to the voters of Folsom and NOW you turn against us. When (if) you respond, please spare us the City's "Chicken Little" argument that the County or Rancho Cordova will develop it if we don't UNLESS you have at least a shred of evidence to back it up, something that our City Hall has been unable to do.

Most Forum readers likely do not know that Tom once offered to assist our group in writing the initiative. We wholeheartedly accepted. However, without communication or notice of any kind to us he simply "disappeared." A very short time later, he was in the paper endorsing Miklos for his reelection campaign.

Mayor Miklos is by far the most ardent supporter of the status quo where residents of Folsom have no power and the Council is free to grant developer favors at there own whims. Favors such as exceptions to the required parkland and open space acreage, funding for sewers, water, roadways, building to the requirements of our Hillside Development Ordinance (which thanks primarily to Mayor Miklos, has not and will not be applied to even one square foot of our city), and of course not widening Highway 50 as Elliot was “required” to do by the Broadstone developments EIR, etc.

These "favors" have cost you and me tens of millions in taxes, and Tom knows this first hand.

There now seems to be a very wide gap between Tom’s heart and his current actions. I believe that the following quote from Tom in the Sacramento Bee (which occurred before his "transformation") reflects his heart, while his current actions are based on some other external force. Judge for yourself:


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(“Group” in the following paragraph refers to the former name of our group, "Alliance of Folsom Residents," which was covered in the preceding paragraphs of the article)

The group's formation reflects increasing unrest among residents of one of Sacramento's fastest-growing suburbs, said Tom Aceituno, a former city councilman who recently stepped down after two terms.

"I would say that since 1992 we've done a fair job of controlling our growth but not as good a job as we could have. That's primarily because of the political orientation of the council over the years, which is rabidly pro-growth," Aceituno said.

"What you're seeing now is a reaction to the pro-growth policies. People are waking up. They're getting themselves organized. They're bringing in lots of new residents."

(Additional quote from Tom further down the article)

Gail Furness dePardo, a senior planner, said she didn't know of any instance in which yards were counted as open space.

But Aceituno, the former councilman, said they were.

"It has been a policy of the city for a long time that open space did include things like yards and driveways," he said. "That's unfortunate, and we have pressed many times to get those policies changed, and the council has been reluctant to do that."
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Source of above quote:

Growth a rising issue in Folsom: A new citizens group reflects the unrest in the fast-growing city.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga
Bee Staff Writer
(Published May 6, 2001)
http://www.folsomgro...ombee050601.htm


So, again Tom, what made you change?


Regards,
Bob Fish
Folsom Residents for Sensible Growth
Vote YES on the Residents Initiative, Measure “T”errific, and NO on City Hall’s Initiative, Measure “W”iggleroom, before it’s too late!

The strength of democracy is in letting the people create the future, not the government creating it for them.

#152 Terry

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Posted 15 August 2004 - 04:50 PM

I'm guessing what made him change was reasonableness and reality. Two things that come after years of working with the community and understanding the fragile balance between community progress and health.

Just as you may come upon your own informed opinion after learning about the subject, maybe Tom did the same. And growth is evolutionary, so an opinion at one point in time may evolved into a different opinion at some other point in time.

Sounds as thought you're attacking someone who has evolved into another opinion and now since it doesn't suit yours, you want to belittle him.

If this makes it to an election, it will be interesting to see how may voters share Tom's onions on this issue.

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Posted 15 August 2004 - 10:46 PM

Terry,

"Evolution" is a slow process occurring over time after exposure to multiple influences. If this were the case with Tom, we could understand. However, read my post again. His was not an "evolution" it was a "flip-flop" of likely a political or business nature.

Yes, this is just my opinion and Tom certainly has a right to "flip-flop" when he so chooses. It is not so much that he did completely change his mind; it is that he has not even spoken to us since he did.

If, as you say:

"I'm guessing what made him change was reasonableness and reality. Two things that come after years of working with the community and understanding the fragile balance between community progress and health."

Should he not have offered to share his newly found "reasonableness and reality" with the group he had indicated he would support? He had received several invitations, but we never heard back from him.

As far as belittling him for his opinions, you are wrong. I question him only for his tactics. Recall, he attacked first by denigrating the Residents Initiative with his personal letter in our local newspaper. Do you expect us, after what I have described above, not to question his motives?

Get real Terry. The right of the residents of Folsom to have a direct vote on the future of THEIR City is heavily under attack by our own City Hall, the Chamber of Commerce, and the developers. City Hall has already spent tens of thousands of our own tax money against the Residents Initiative, against the rights of their own citizens. Combined with the Chamber and Developer money, we will be outspent 100 to 1.

But the Residents Initiative will prevail. Why? Because our message and initiative language is so clear we simply ask voters to read it for themselves. No spin, just plain simple language that will protect our future.



Regards,
Bob Fish
Folsom Residents for Sensible Growth
Vote YES on the Residents Initiative, Measure “T”errific, and NO on City Hall’s Initiative, Measure “W”iggleroom, before it’s too late!


The strength of democracy is in letting the people create the future, not the government creating it for them.

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Posted 16 August 2004 - 10:36 AM

Anyone interested in seeing the court in action can attend tomorrow's hearing:

Tuesday, August 17th in Judge Connelly's court room - Dept. 33 (which I believe is on the fifth floor, but check the bldg directory).

Courhouse is at 720 Ninth Street in downtown Sac. Hearing is at 3:00 p.m.

The name of the case is Kemp v. Schmidt.

Should be interesting.



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Posted 16 August 2004 - 02:41 PM

gosh, things are heating up. Thanks longgone for the tips on voting. I see this Karnis fellow is up on this site which good cause he can listen to what is being said. Reading his stuff sort of puts him in the middle, against waste, but not wanting to make anybody mad. Might be smart to lay low in case he gets elected and "wants a bone or two from the mayor."

King seems nice but what they said about him turning against the folks who worked for him isn't good. guy like that wouldn't make a good soldier in my day.

I see that newspaper lady call the folks that got their money to try and shoot down the citizens initiative are called "high profile" wonder what you have to do to be in this group?

I'm smarter than that Val lady, I knew what a brickbat was. In the old school paper they had a column called "brickbats and boquets." Maybee there could be a folsom one called "brickbats and bones" if you catch my drift.

Wonder if anybody in Rancho Cordova is going to be upset by having their city being accused of trying to steal the 3500 acres. Not a nice thing to accuse them of if they're not guilty. Seems like they got enough work to do just being a new city without stealing stuff from Folsom.

This here SOI looks like a thing to hold things for Folsom while they work out the details and the folks who say you gotta do what the developes want or they will get stolen by Ranch of the bad county folks. These stories remind me of a tale I read to my kids....it was called "Chicken Little" and it was about the sky falling down.

I'd like to have the folks telling the story about the SOI being stolen to share some specific facts.

Come to think of it, this david and goliath comparison might not be as good as the american revolution. What the city and the high provile folks are playing the role of the english and the sensible growth folks and their signatures are sort of the patriots.

What we need are some city council candidates become the leaders of the partiots...thats how george washington got his start...

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Posted 17 August 2004 - 09:46 PM

Old Soldier----You ARE a very smart person, just by wanting to know true facts so that you can make your own decision.

I would very much like to see, since we have a city council form of city government, a panel of five city council members who, 1. will try to make decisions based on what the majority of Folsom residents want. 2. members who will not be controled by any one in their midst, but by the majority of the voters. 3. candidates if elected, who will STICK TO their campaign promises, and who will not be swayed by threats, or the highest bidder.

I think these are what most people want from politicians on all levels, but we have come to EXPECT far less on every level of politics.

Do we dare hope for the best in this next exection?

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 09:28 AM

What was the ruling, Val?
"Sometimes on purpose and sometimes by accident, teachers' unions have a long history of working against the interests of children in the name of job security for adults. And Democrats in particular have a history of facilitating this obstructionism in exchange for campaign donations and votes." . . .Amanda Ripley re "Waiting for Superman" movie.

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Posted 18 August 2004 - 09:58 AM

Once again, ruling postponed.

Judge Connelly had lots of questions for counsel and they never even got to oral arguments. Next hearing date:

Friday at 9:00 am. He said it should only take 45 minutes or so.

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 10:05 AM

Ok, now what was it?
"Sometimes on purpose and sometimes by accident, teachers' unions have a long history of working against the interests of children in the name of job security for adults. And Democrats in particular have a history of facilitating this obstructionism in exchange for campaign donations and votes." . . .Amanda Ripley re "Waiting for Superman" movie.

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (tessieca @ Aug 20 2004, 10:05 AM)
Ok, now what was it?

Tessieca - I went and was somewhat surprised that the judge ruled in favor of the Petitioner (i.e., the developers). His ruling was that the petition for the initiative should have included the Sac Co. general plan definition of agricultural land when people were signing it.

Val can give better explanation and details.
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Posted 20 August 2004 - 01:29 PM

I received this from Kerri and have permission to put it here....

READ IT ::::::: This answers part of Old Soldier ???

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Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: south of 50

Hi Cal,
 
I can only stand so much.  Perhaps they don't realize that just because the Council members don't post, some of us read the postings.  You may feel free to post the following on the web site. 
 
That Kerri - not Kari - is tough, though I prefer to think of it in terms of my not needing to attend any assertiveness training seminars.  It takes a bit of an "edge" to work as a professional engineer, which is pretty much a male dominated field, spend the kind of time I spend on City issues, meeting with various citizens groups and, for the most part, fighting the rest of the Council to do what is best for EVERYONE in Folsom, including putting the new library on City owned property-but not on a ball field dedicated to the only Folsomite killed in Vietnam, in the middle of the oldest park in Folsom and the only softball field in the Historic District, to not closing off streets as a means of dealing with too much traffic, to Folsom having control over any development south of 50.  Don't you want a council member or two who is totally informed of all sides of whatever the issue is, and willing to fight for what is best for US, the residents?  It takes "tough" to do that, especially if you happen to be female. So, I will make no apology.
 
With regard to the toilet seats in our home - you are correct, my husband does not leave them up - Why?  Three reasons, 1) He is polite and considerate of others, 2) He is a clean and tidy person, and 3) He grew up in a house with 7 children, 5 of which were girls. 
 
One other thing, the Council is not trying to keep the Fish Initiative off of the ballot - we voted to approve putting it on the ballot.  I am certain that it will not accomplish what is claims to - except that it will cause the landowners to get their development approvals from Sacramento County or Rancho Cordova.  Mr Favinger is wrong - all it takes for that to happen is for the landowners to submit development plans - there is no requirement to undo the Sphere of Influence prior to them submitting plans for development. The Sphere of Influence only guarantees that Folsom would be notified of the submittal - then we can go and speak at the Board of Supervisors meeting - just like anybody else.  Back to the lawsuit - the City did not file it.  A group of citizens is suing the City, to prevent the intitiative from appearing on the ballot, we now have to defend against that lawsuit.
 
Feel free to contact me directly at

corrprincess@ardennet.com

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So if you want to contact Kerri her email is above...


 


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Posted 20 August 2004 - 02:20 PM

Kerri I thank you. You do much for the City of Folsom and I appreciate it. Remember that it is only the people who are unhappy who are vocal. I read these boards often but rarely post as I am very happy with Folsom, the City Council and love America. Perhaps I should post more!

We wanted to move to a progressive, fast growing City and identified Folsom in 1997. I just wish we had been able to move here then. Let's make the sphere of influence a part of Folsom and make it something to be proud of.

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 02:28 PM

I agree 100%.


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Posted 20 August 2004 - 06:47 PM

Interesting New Girl - u like the way things are - and this is by no way a slap at Keri as I find her to be educated and in a difficult position dealing w/the men on the council
but new girl - what about freedom of speech
the freedom to vote to make decisions
I believe that has been taken away from the Citizens of Folsom
whether or not you agree with the 50 initiative or any other item - u have a right to vote for those
our soldiers fight every day for us to have those rights under the constitution
and today our freedom was taken from us
I cannot contain my disguest for the city council and the members that brought suit - Mr. Holderness, you know better -

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 06:53 PM

You do have the right to vote. Vote for the persons that you want on the city council and the other commissioners on the other boards in Folsom.
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