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[swmr545]

Well those are very extreme examples of "things that happen", but the thought has crossed my mind. Of course to a lesser degree, there is the over-involved/ overbearing parent. Or the various kinds of mind effs that certain parents perpetrate against their kids.

I have three other siblings. Not all of us are gay. We were all raised in the same environment. Sorry, but over-involved/overbearing parnent theory doesn't really work.

As for being raped or molested, the answer is...no. I was not raped or molested as a child.

[loosinggrip56]

My brother figured out he was gay by 8th grade. Unfortunately it was with the help of his gay 8th grade history teacher. I think he sorta went into the closet - literally - instead of coming out of anything. Funny thing, though, Pete's grades suffered badly that year so my dad held him back and kept him there with that teacher an extra year.

im confused by this one. ur brothers teacher molested him or he was coxed into it by his teacher?

[jafount]

I have three other siblings. Not all of us are gay. We were all raised in the same environment. Sorry, but over-involved/overbearing parnent theory doesn't really work.

There is an exception to every rule. Guess you are it. Every gay person I know had an issue as a kid--except you.

[tessieca]

im confused by this one. ur brothers teacher molested him or he was coxed into it by his teacher?

No difference when one is an 8th grader and one is an adult. Don't get me wrong, my bro was gay before that happened and would have been gay without this happening. I was just saying that 8th grade is not an unusual time to figure out your sexual identity, but hopefully most of that age only start to think instead of act upon it.

[Andrea V]

If being molested does not automatically make you gay, then being gay does not automatically mean you were molested.

[jafount]

If being molested does not automatically make you gay, then being gay does not automatically mean you were molested.

Not saying it automatically makes you gay. I'm saying I've never met a gay person that hasn't had some significant issue in their past.

Then again, I'd say that one in three women I know have had a significant negative experience with a man in her life too. I'm trying ot ensure my daughters are strong enough to buck that trend.

[Robert Giacometti]

Then again, I'd say that one in three women I know have had a significant negative experience with a man in her life too.

I wonder how many of those women you know who have had a significant negative experience with a man, goes to the Cliff House?

[October15]

I wonder how many of those women you know who have had a significant negative experience with a man, goes to the Cliff House?

[doj_gal]

There is an exception to every rule. Guess you are it. Every gay person I know had an issue as a kid--except you.

I can say from personal experience not all homosexual people are "made" from bad experiences or enviroment pressures to be gay....Honestly it's a hard choice to be different and why would you willing choose to be hated?....I think many, if not all, are born that way and it's something in their genetics...

[swmr545]

I can say from personal experience not all homosexual people are "made" from bad experiences or enviroment pressures to be gay....Honestly it's a hard choice to be different and why would you willing choose to be hated?....I think many, if not all, are born that way and it's something in their genetics...

you can't say it's genetics, cuz there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't (don't know if you missed that post or not). Individual personalities are no longer allowed when it comes to identical twins, either you are exactly the same when identical or you aren't (just wanted to let you know).

[loosinggrip56]

you can't say it's genetics, cuz there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't (don't know if you missed that post or not). Individual personalities are no longer allowed when it comes to identical twins, either you are exactly the same when identical or you aren't (just wanted to let you know).

so then your saying its a for YOU

[supermom]

you can't say it's genetics, cuz there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't (don't know if you missed that post or not). Individual personalities are no longer allowed when it comes to identical twins, either you are exactly the same when identical or you aren't (just wanted to let you know).

Frankly that doesn't mean doo.

We still just don't know the extent of "identical"

I seriuosly doubt that "identical" is truly that.

There are lots of factors and numbers that go into the of recombinant dna. We still aren't sure just how many change in-utero and st what stage of developement. So even when the twins separate-there could be more changes happening.

Hell, for all we know it could be something the mother eats at some point in the pregnancy which a fetus absorbs at some time in development and changes their sexual identity. Wouldn't that be funny if we found out that the absorption of Peanutbutter makes gay kids at a certain stage in the development of the fetus?

Ok-maybe not funny--but it would change the outlook of "gay".

[bordercolliefan]

you can't say it's genetics, cuz there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't (don't know if you missed that post or not). Individual personalities are no longer allowed when it comes to identical twins, either you are exactly the same when identical or you aren't (just wanted to let you know).

I believe the latest evidence is that it has a genetic component. If one identical twin is gay, the other one has a much higher chance of being gay than the general population. It's not 100%, but it is much higher. It's even higher than for fraternal twins. So, there is a genetic link.

I believe now they are thinking it is genetics + maybe something in the womb environment and maybe something in the outside environment after birth.

[swmr545]

Frankly that doesn't mean doo.

I was making a previos argument made against genetics. I think that example the person used of identical twins is what you just said.

When the person made that, I asked him why individuality was no longer allowed for identical twins, I never got a response.

[folsom500]

you can't say it's genetics, cuz there are identical twins where one is gay and the other isn't (don't know if you missed that post or not). Individual personalities are no longer allowed when it comes to identical twins, either you are exactly the same when identical or you aren't (just wanted to let you know).

So just what ARE you saying about how gays come into being ?

Are you suggesting that it is NOT a genetic link ?

I see what you said about the "identical twins" and your recent reponse...

So tell me - how do YOU think a gay person gets that way ?

Cheers
F500