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[bv1016]

Well - I don't know what a TBI is, nor is it confirmed that this child has one. All I'm saying is that bleeding in the brain isn't always a fatal/brain damaing thing. There isn't "always long lasting damage". My brother is fine. And it's been 16 years. No clotting, stokes etc.

Not sure what the "did you paste" comment you are referencing to - I was just recounting my own personal experience that my family went thorugh and was hoping that it would bring some hope to people who are are concerned for the child involved.

I reread your original post about your experiaence, as I too thought the "paste" comment was odd... I think it was misunderstood, as in the beginning of your post you state, that you didn't know the childs actual circumstances (paraphrasing, not quoting) anyway, it sounds as if you are referring to the child in your story as if you read it somewhere or were quoting somebody else. but in reality I believe you were referring to the child in last nights accidents circumstances. Then you went into your own personal experiance.

Anyway, just a thought on where Supermoms comment came from, although I guess she can speak better on that.

I have a friend who's cousin had what the doctor's said was bleeding on the brain from a trampoline accident when he was 14... according to my friend (a coworker, so I have never met the cousin) there is no lasting damage, not sure of hospital stay or the ordeal itself, but it was years ago, and according to her, he is fully recovered.

I appreciate you sharing your brothers story in an attempt not to make light of the situation, but to provide hope this child could have a normal life

[Thinkingoutloud]

I reread your original post about your experiaence, as I too thought the "paste" comment was odd... I think it was misunderstood, as in the beginning of your post you state, that you didn't know the childs actual circumstances (paraphrasing, not quoting) anyway, it sounds as if you are referring to the child in your story as if you read it somewhere or were quoting somebody else. but in reality I believe you were referring to the child in last nights accidents circumstances. Then you went into your own personal experiance.

Anyway, just a thought on where Supermoms comment came from, although I guess she can speak better on that.

I have a friend who's cousin had what the doctor's said was bleeding on the brain from a trampoline accident when he was 14... according to my friend (a coworker, so I have never met the cousin) there is no lasting damage, not sure of hospital stay or the ordeal itself, but it was years ago, and according to her, he is fully recovered.

I appreciate you sharing your brothers story in an attempt not to make light of the situation, but to provide hope this child could have a normal life

Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for helping to clear that up. :-)

[Darth Lefty]

SIPDE

S—Sweep, Search, and Scan (keep your eyes moving at all times to effectively see imminent danger)
I—Identify hazards, Identify what's happening (road-way features) (take notice of things that could cause trouble)
P—Predict which hazards could potentially come into conflict with you; predict 2 things 1-worst case scenario and 2-actions
D—Decide on a safe action (decide on something to do should the dog run across the road)
E—Execute that safe action; use communication

The Motorcycle Safety Foundation teaches SEE (search, evaluate, execute) which is certainly easier to remember!

[Dave Burrell]

The Motorcycle Safety Foundation teaches SEE (search, evaluate, execute) which is certainly easier to remember!

I learned SIPDE at the MSF safety course - did they shorten it to S.E.E. over the past few years?

[Bill Z]

I don't know, I guess when teaching others, Acronyms can be useful tools, but I know when I used to ride, I wouldn't be thinking about SIPDE or SEE. However, I would look past the cars in front of me to see what traffic further up the road was doing, I also would look "at the road", inspecting it for pot holes, gravel, etc. Anything that compromised traction. In the rain, big white arrows are nasty slick spots. I also drove what I would describe as agressively defensive. This means mildly speeding. I found it safer to always be overtaking traffic than to have traffic overtaking you. I also preferred outside lanes. Whether it be the left or the right, more room for an escape if one is needed.

[supermom]

I reread your original post about your experiaence, as I too thought the "paste" comment was odd... I think it was misunderstood, as in the beginning of your post you state, that you didn't know the childs actual circumstances (paraphrasing, not quoting) anyway, it sounds as if you are referring to the child in your story as if you read it somewhere or were quoting somebody else. but in reality I believe you were referring to the child in last nights accidents circumstances. Then you went into your own personal experiance.

Anyway, just a thought on where Supermoms comment came from, although I guess she can speak better on that.

I have a friend who's cousin had what the doctor's said was bleeding on the brain from a trampoline accident when he was 14... according to my friend (a coworker, so I have never met the cousin) there is no lasting damage, not sure of hospital stay or the ordeal itself, but it was years ago, and according to her, he is fully recovered.

I appreciate you sharing your brothers story in an attempt not to make light of the situation, but to provide hope this child could have a normal life

Yes, Bev--I was wondering if the person had pasted a comment from someone elses recounting of an experience and had selectively left things out.

I understand that a few of you have had a few stories of "head injuries" and I also understand quite intimately that there is quite a bit of disinformation, and confusing generalities about the ambiguities of a head injury or a TBI.

I guess -- from my experience--what I am trying to say here--is that the kids chances of a full recovery or even a close to normal life significantly decreases after 24 hours if they don't stop the bleeding. As far as the brain swelling, the brain will continue to damage itself with major setbacks for the person to have to overcome--commonly found if the swelling has not gone down within 10 days (most severe TBI cases don't survive up to the 10th day). And that leads to another issue, draining the fluids, risk of infections, secondary infections, heart seizures, stroke, blood clots throughout the body, pneumonia...

This is a major condition the Army is fighting hard to understand to save soldiers lives after an IED blast.

And an IED blast does not generally cause ripple "re-wounds" like a car accident where the brain is shaken--over and over and over, violently.

This is not the same type of wound as someone who just falls and hits their head. a head injury from a car accident usually means the brain has been "hurt" multiple significant violent times, so as to to cause bleeding on the brain. Blood is not supposed to escape the veins and touch the brain. it is an enclosed capsule with very little room to withstand the sudden excruciating pressure changes of liquid sloshing around.

[Tanya]

C'mon guys, you can get more speculative and accusative than this! This is weak. Where are the unsubstantiated rumours that she was a known crankhead? Where's the analysis of the tire marks at the crash scene?

Or, we could try something new; Let the police and courts do their job, pray for the children in recovery, and wait for the real news to come out.

AMEN, Mylo! I've been reading through this and becoming very disturbed at most of what I have read. I had to create a user id in order to leave a comment and as part of that, I had to agree to not make any slanderous statements or false accusations. This post is loaded with such.

I happen to be a close friend of the FAMILY involved. I haven't read everything, so I don't know if you all realize that the driver suffered from a broken neck among many other injuries. I also know that there is no way she was drunk or under the influence or would have anything like that in her possession. She is one of the most loving mothers I know. I haven't had a chance to talk to her or visit, I was simply informed of the accident and researched online.

Thank goodness, I'm not the jury, because if I didn't know her, I would have thrown the book at her based on the conjecture I've been reading, even from the good Samaritan that stopped to help.

I don't know how many of you have been in a serious car accident, but shock can make you a little cooky, like looking for the stuff from your purse, when you are suffering from a broken neck, not to mention kids screaming. Perhaps she didn't even realize her kids were the ones screaming.

Anyhow, in the interest of fairness, could we all just take a step back, stick to the facts and leave our opinions at the door. We're gossiping with the lives of others. This family is going through some tough times and we should be trying to figure out ways to pray for them and be supportive without prejudice.

It could have been me looking back at my daughter in the back seat and losing control of my car. It could have been me getting something stuck under my brake. It could have been me having a stroke or seizure. It could have been me dropping something hot on my lap. It could have been me trying to kill a spider on the seat. Although these things happen all the time and it hasn't happened to me, it could. Couldn't it?

Anyhow, please pray for my friend and her family. I do appreciate all of your concerns for her children. They need and love their mommy too.

[supermom]

Tanya-how is the boy?

is he gonna make it?

[Tanya]

Tanya-how is the boy?

is he gonna make it?

Not sure yet as my husband briefly spoke to a family member, but everything we are getting is 3rd and 4th hand right now. Thank you for your continued prayers.

[sunnyCA]

We feel bad about what happened to her and the kids and the other driver but how can you say everyone is wrong when you don't even have any facts yourself. The husband said yesterday that she was taking vicodin and not feeling well, mylo noted it:
Mylo

She admitted to drinking, per the Folsom PD. It sounds like people here did more research before making a blanket statement that there is no way she could have been drinking or under the influence.
Everyone is sorry this happened, but driving without lights, speeding and turning in front of traffic is not normal.
Don't you think her husband should have picked her and the kids up since he knew she was feeling like she was going to pass out and was on vicodin at the time?
No offense, but it's hard to give her a pass when it comes to the fact several people were almost killed as a result of her erradic driving?

I totally agree...The majority of posters on this topic DO feel terribly for this family. The issue is, this is not something that "could've happened to any of us". You don't leave your lights off at night, speed for quite a distance (as witnesses have verified...she sped down Bidwell for quite a while) and then blow through a red light because a child has distracted you or you are trying to kill a spider. Please...a spider? That is the oddest argument I have ever heard. You do those things because you are seriously impaired and should not be driving. Getting into a car after drinking and/or using drugs (or letting one's spouse get into a car) is a choice. It is a horrific choice that obviously caused serious injuries and trauma to all involved. It is truly a miracle that she did not kill anyone.

[bordercolliefan]

Yep, the fact that she was driving at night with no lights on is very damning. This was not some momentary distraction or mechanical problem; this woman was impaired from the moment she got in the car.

It's nice of you to try to defend your friend, and yes we all make mistakes, but what this husband and wife have done is very, very serious and almost killed their own child.

I hope the police are doing a full investigation and that criminal charges will follow. I also wouldn't be surprised there will be a Dept. of Social Services investigation to see if these parents should lose custody of their children, at least until they can show they are able to be responsible about drug/alcohol use.

As an aside, what is going on with all this Vicodin use? I've been told there's something of an epidemic of Vicodin use among well-to-do local housewives. For what?? Unless one has had a recent surgery, it's hard to understand why a middle-aged person would even be taking Vicodin.

[irish1]

Yep, the fact that she was driving at night with no lights on is very damning. This was not some momentary distraction or mechanical problem; this woman was impaired from the moment she got in the car.

It's nice of you to try to defend your friend, and yes we all make mistakes, but what this husband and wife have done is very, very serious and almost killed their own child.

I hope the police are doing a full investigation and that criminal charges will follow. I also wouldn't be surprised there will be a Dept. of Social Services investigation to see if these parents should lose custody of their children, at least until they can show they are able to be responsible about drug/alcohol use.

As an aside, what is going on with all this Vicodin use? I've been told there's something of an epidemic of Vicodin use among well-to-do local housewives. For what?? Unless one has had a recent surgery, it's hard to understand why a middle-aged person would even be taking Vicodin.

Haaaa.... "I have a bad back.." "I have a shoulder that gives me problems..." "A doctor messed up my surgery..." etc. etc...... It's because they can. It's because one way, or another, folks have found ways to shop multiple Dr.'s and fill these prescriptions at a constant rate. Hell, it helps them get through their day... 'Mommy's little helpers, of yesterday..." It's really starting to gear up, and it has now began impacting society... can't wait for the increase in medical marijuana cards... yeeeowwww...!! Gonna be good for the fast-food drive thru's though... Fulfill that one constant side-effect... 'The Munchies.'

[supermom]

Irish1

even if someone does have a medical marijuana card....if they were pulled over by a copper and found to be under the influence...

they would still be arrested, right? (I'm not talking about possession of pot, just be under the influence)

Are they treated differently, in court, if they do have possession of a card--like a fine?

[Bill Z]

AMEN, Mylo! I've been reading through this and becoming very disturbed at most of what I have read. I had to create a user id in order to leave a comment and as part of that, I had to agree to not make any slanderous statements or false accusations. This post is loaded with such.

I happen to be a close friend of the FAMILY involved. I haven't read everything, so I don't know if you all realize that the driver suffered from a broken neck among many other injuries. I also know that there is no way she was drunk or under the influence or would have anything like that in her possession. She is one of the most loving mothers I know. I haven't had a chance to talk to her or visit, I was simply informed of the accident and researched online.

Thank goodness, I'm not the jury, because if I didn't know her, I would have thrown the book at her based on the conjecture I've been reading, even from the good Samaritan that stopped to help.

I don't know how many of you have been in a serious car accident, but shock can make you a little cooky, like looking for the stuff from your purse, when you are suffering from a broken neck, not to mention kids screaming. Perhaps she didn't even realize her kids were the ones screaming.

Anyhow, in the interest of fairness, could we all just take a step back, stick to the facts and leave our opinions at the door. We're gossiping with the lives of others. This family is going through some tough times and we should be trying to figure out ways to pray for them and be supportive without prejudice.

It could have been me looking back at my daughter in the back seat and losing control of my car. It could have been me getting something stuck under my brake. It could have been me having a stroke or seizure. It could have been me dropping something hot on my lap. It could have been me trying to kill a spider on the seat. Although these things happen all the time and it hasn't happened to me, it could. Couldn't it?

Anyhow, please pray for my friend and her family. I do appreciate all of your concerns for her children. They need and love their mommy too.

Thanks for affirming what I've said about her post accident behavior. Glad I'm not the only one that understands that shock can make people do strange things.