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[Dave Burrell]

Great idea, if Steve Miklos or Andy Morin are on this forum, if they could answer this question we all would appreciate it.

Are you saying you can't be bothered to ask them via direct email or phone or in person?

[Robert Giacometti]

Are you saying you can't be bothered to ask them via direct email or phone or in person?

No, you are saying this.

I asked them the question like you suggested, if they don't respond don't get mad with me.

Maybe if we all think about it we could figure it ourselves? How about the logical reason of they weren't allowed to bid on the vacant land?

[Dave Burrell]

No, you are saying this.

I asked them the question like you suggested, if they don't respond don't get mad with me.

Maybe if we all think about it we could figure it ourselves? How about the logical reason of they weren't allowed to bid on the vacant land?

So even though they are all guilty equally of doing this deal, you're only going after Kerri because she responded to your questioning?

The way I read this - that means you're ok with guilty parties just as long as they don't say anything about why they did what they did...

I'm not supporting anyone on this but I just don't get your logic and why you have so much venom for Kerri but none for the others who were equally involved.

[Robert Giacometti]

So even though they are all guilty equally of doing this deal, you're only going after Kerri because she responded to your questioning?

The way I read this - that means you're ok with guilty parties just as long as they don't say anything about why they did what they did...

I'm not supporting anyone on this but I just don't get your logic and why you have so much venom for Kerri but none for the others who were equally involved.

I truly wasn't going after anybody! I was simply trying to give Kerri the opportunity to help explain some of the details to what really happened on this deal, including why the Builder wasn't invited to submit a bid to the city to buy this property directly from the city.

Kerri knows why things happened the way they did and instead of explaining it everyone, she is trying to cover it up. I can deal with bad decisions, but trying to cover things up is even worse in my book. I despise being misled and won't let it go until everything is exposed. Trust me if Steve or Andy tried to mislead me on this I would nail their butts to the wall at every opportunity I had.

I've been as blunt as I can be in saying I'm NOT voting for any incumbants and am willing to work on recall against Jeff and ANYONE of the 3 who are up for reelection, if they win reelection in April of 2011. We the citizens lost $14 million on this deal and I don't believe those who voted for this should keep their seats.

I've been around for 20 plus years and this isn't my first Rodeo. Its rather obvious to some of us that "someone" is pulling the strings on some posters on here with their behind the scences games. Some of us has experienced this long to know who it is playing these games. I'm confident you aren't playing these games.

You won't ever find a smoking gun on this land deal, but if you connect the dots its rather easy to see what happened and we the Residents GOT SCREWED! There are 2 sides to this debate, the one side trying to expose more dots and the other side who is trying to CYA, by throwing up smoke screenss of all types with misinformation and by limiting information.

Its rather easy to figure out who is on what side.

[old soldier]

just a thought, but we have a highly paid police department and they should be able to work on this case to see if it was on the up and up, but then can the police investigate the folks that pay and hire them. My recollection was the old chief was acting city manager for a spell and he should have some insight, or he might even know folks from other agencies that could see if things were ok...

I saw a tv show where somebody who new about a crime got charged with being a accessory after the fact.

even if there was no hanky panky, selling something for less than its worth is stupid...one time I had a lemonaide stand and sold it for a nickle a glass and it turned out I took in two bucks but my dad showed me it cost 2,50. and that I know now did not take in the time I spent sitting my the stand.

[Robert Giacometti]

just a thought, but we have a highly paid police department and they should be able to work on this case to see if it was on the up and up, but then can the police investigate the folks that pay and hire them. My recollection was the old chief was acting city manager for a spell and he should have some insight, or he might even know folks from other agencies that could see if things were ok...

I saw a tv show where somebody who new about a crime got charged with being a accessory after the fact.

even if there was no hanky panky, selling something for less than its worth is stupid...one time I had a lemonaide stand and sold it for a nickle a glass and it turned out I took in two bucks but my dad showed me it cost 2,50. and that I know now did not take in the time I spent sitting my the stand.

I'm not real confident having the FPD investigate their City councils action would result in any big revelation.

You do remember that the Former City Manager, fired the Assitant City Manager and paying him $104,000, before she left making the claim she wanted to spend more time with her daughters and THEN the Police chief was made Acting CM.

Jrudi has indicated that the Former City manager was forced out, which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone with an open mind and who has any common sense. Then the former city manger was given that NO Bid bridge consultant position and who was acting CM manager during this time?

Its been said The former Assitant City Manager wasn't going ask the council to approve that No Bridge consultant position, therefore he had to go costing the taxpayers $104,000 to clear the way so the Former CM could get that contract.

The more one looks at what has happened with an openmind, the more this deal and others smell. The real judge of all this should be the voters of Folsom. Hopefully, enough residents will vote out the incumnbants who are responsible for what has happened!

Unfortunately under our current system which the incumbants keep in place for their benefit, they don't need a majority of voters to vote for them to keep the status quo. This coupled, with some people efforts to confuse the voters with their misleading statements will probably enable the incumbants to keep their seats.

This is the reason why there should be a recall in April of 2011.

[ladybird]

Now is not the time to proceed with annexation of S50. The developers are already trying to whittle down the parks and trails based on the open space agreed to. The next thing that happens with a compliant planning staff and city council is that backyards will be counted as open space. This occurred in the past. We passed a Hillside Grading ordinance that was never fully implemented. Just look at the ridgeline in Empire Ranch. There is little follow up on mitigation requirements so don't count on these as saving the day. The oak trees will be decimated. Try and get the city council to pass a tax on the unearned increment. This was proposed in 1989 and immediately shot down. When land is rezoned the value increases enormously. That is where the developers profit having paid much less for raw ranch land. This tax would require that some of this profit went to the city or school district when the city rezones it for commercial and residential. Also, development ends up costing too much in terms of the drain on city services.

Vote out incumbents and try some new people. Three terms is too many. You have a group that is too cozy with developers now. Check out the expenses of those councilmembers who are always going to Washingon,D.C. for the League of Cities meetings. What does Folsom benefit from this?

Ladybird

[Robert Giacometti]

Now is not the time to proceed with annexation of S50. The developers are already trying to whittle down the parks and trails based on the open space agreed to. The next thing that happens with a compliant planning staff and city council is that backyards will be counted as open space. This occurred in the past. We passed a Hillside Grading ordinance that was never fully implemented. Just look at the ridgeline in Empire Ranch. There is little follow up on mitigation requirements so don't count on these as saving the day. The oak trees will be decimated. Try and get the city council to pass a tax on the unearned increment. This was proposed in 1989 and immediately shot down. When land is rezoned the value increases enormously. That is where the developers profit having paid much less for raw ranch land. This tax would require that some of this profit went to the city or school district when the city rezones it for commercial and residential. Also, development ends up costing too much in terms of the drain on city services.

Vote out incumbents and try some new people. Three terms is too many. You have a group that is too cozy with developers now. Check out the expenses of those councilmembers who are always going to Washingon,D.C. for the League of Cities meetings. What does Folsom benefit from this?

Ladybird

Welcome to the forum! Its refreshing to see new posters getting involved to protect our quality of life against the onslaught of the incumbants relentless efforts to pay back their developer supported candidacy.

Don't get discouraged by some on here who seem to be more motivated to support some because of some personal connection or other misguided loyalty to those on the council. There is a lot more of people like you in this community who shares your beliefs and values.

Again, welcome and thanks for getting involved!

[Robert Giacometti]

The Landowners in the SOI are billed quarterly for all staff time incurred in planning and for all consultants invoices related to planning. The invoices are also paid quarterly. There have been quarters where the total invoice exceeded $300,000. The values shown in a previous post are incorrect. The public records requested was only just received by the City and the time frame for responding has not yet run its course.

Update for those reading who are interested in the facts. The public records request was submitted on 7/27.

I confirmed with the city clerks office last week that there is NO more information to be given out at this time regarding billable hours for staff. A staff person told me, off the record, they don't keep track of the hours staff are working on the S50 planning.

The million dollar question is how can we be sure the Landowners S50 are paying for all the staff time incurred for the planning if there aren't any records being kept?

This should raise all kinds of red flags for anyone with an openmind about the upcoming election! Since Measure W was supposed to protect the residents N50, how can we be assured that the existing council members are doing this when they don't have a system in place to track such things?

Given all the staff involved in this process and getting reimbursed less than the cost of one senior planner ( including benefits) its rather easy to see the residents N50 are getting screwed AGAIN by our existing City council.

Those who want to attack the messenger to help sweep this unfolding scandal under the rug, please don't waste our time. If you have legitimate questions that will help facilitate discussion, please contribute.