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[swmr545]

Getting back to the topic (and I'm surprised that no one else has brought it up yet), but CRI and PJI are wanting to start an initiative drive to gain enough signatures (a little more than 500k) to overturn the law that Gov. Brown just signed:

http://latimesblogs....tions-gays.html

[caligirlz]

Leno said Thursday that the groups represent "an extremist voice of the Republican Party.'' And although he recognizes their right to petition for change, "I don't believe that is the sentiment of Californians."

So it's ok for Leno to represent and push the extremist point of view on the opposite side? Once again, believe as I do & we will practice tolerance, if not then we will label you. Name calling & demonization of opponents has always been practiced by thugs.

I think it's pretty clear on this forum that many Californians are against this ruling.

[Redone]

Getting back to the topic (and I'm surprised that no one else has brought it up yet), but CRI and PJI are wanting to start an initiative drive to gain enough signatures (a little more than 500k) to overturn the law that Gov. Brown just signed:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2011/07/conservative-groups-repeal-law-teaching-contributions-gays.html

And... Are you worried that the Vote of the People just might be different than the Vote of the Politicians ??


( think about all the money being spent either for or against this that could go to something else ? )

[swmr545]

And... Are you worried that the Vote of the People just might be different than the Vote of the Politicians ??


( think about all the money being spent either for or against this that could go to something else ? )

In all honesty, our referendum system has messed us up as bad as the politicians have. Should the people have a voice in the process? Yes. But there needs to be a reform on our current system (a constitutional amendment should take more than just 8% signatures of the last number of voters who voted in the last gubernatorial election, it shouldn't be so easy to change the constitution, it should be more difficult).

So am I concerned? Not really, the people will vote how they want to.

[swmr545]

So it's ok for Leno to represent and push the extremist point of view on the opposite side? Once again, believe as I do & we will practice tolerance, if not then we will label you. Name calling & demonization of opponents has always been practiced by thugs.

I think it's pretty clear on this forum that many Californians are against this ruling.

The Christian right does the same thing (I've been called a pedophile by the Christian right in a committee hearing at the Capitol). I've also had some lovely and respectful

And I do not think that Folsom (or this forum) is representative of the state.

[Rich_T]

I just finally had to check in to why the topic "Gay History May Be Taught In Public Schools.... let's have a civil discussion on it" is still going strong on Page 5.

And I found out... it's because people are no longer on topic.

[caligirlz]

The Christian right does the same thing (I've been called a pedophile by the Christian right in a committee hearing at the Capitol). I've also had some lovely and respectful

I know, we've already had that discussion in another topic. People act badly on both sides of the fence.

And I do not think that Folsom (or this forum) is representative of the state.

Why not? It is representative of many communities I've lived & worked in throughout the state. Folsomites ARE Californians. AND, who makes that determination...(who represents the state)? Some biased public poll of minuscale sample size?

[swmr545]

Why not? It is representative of many communities I've lived & worked in throughout the state. Folsomites ARE Californians. AND, who makes that determination...(who represents the state)? Some biased public poll of minuscale sample size?

If you look at the demographics of the state and the demographics of Folsom you will see the differences (from the Folsom site our white population is ~80% while statewide it is ~57%). Folsom is more republican leaning while the state is more democrat.

Just look at the US Census site, the Folsom city site, the SoS site, and you can gain the information there. There's a reason why the teachers at FHS said that there is a world outside of Folsom. Mr. Richards (the old principal) gave us an anecdote about when they went to Oakland for a football or basketball game and our FHS players had no idea what clothes lines were for in the backyards.

True that Folsomites are Californians, but not all Californians are Folsomites (kinda like how all Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholics). Would you say that as an individual I am a good representation of Folsom as a whole?

[caligirlz]

If you look at the demographics of the state and the demographics of Folsom you will see the differences (from the Folsom site our white population is ~80% while statewide it is ~57%). Folsom is more republican leaning while the state is more democrat.

Just look at the US Census site, the Folsom city site, the SoS site, and you can gain the information there. There's a reason why the teachers at FHS said that there is a world outside of Folsom. Mr. Richards (the old principal) gave us an anecdote about when they went to Oakland for a football or basketball game and our FHS players had no idea what clothes lines were for in the backyards.

True that Folsomites are Californians, but not all Californians are Folsomites (kinda like how all Catholics are Christian, but not all Christians are Catholics). Would you say that as an individual I am a good representation of Folsom as a whole?

I don't really want to spend the time to look up census bureau stats. Folsom definitely is a middle-upper/middle class suburb, and I think that is more why your teacher told you that there is a world outside Folsom. I heard the same thing in LA & in Visalia. It's the standard educator's line. There is just more of a contrast of lifestyle between Folsom & Oakland or Pixley/Earlimart.

It's actually curious to me, out of all the info available through the census results, that you used political party to differentiate California vs Folsom. I was thinking more along the lines of income.
I would not say you are a good representation based on political party, but of diversity & education, yes.

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And I do not think that Folsom (or this forum) is representative of the state.

It represents a Red area of a Blue county. It would represent 80 % of CA counties just fine.

[swmr545]

It represents a Red area of a Blue county. It would represent 80 % of CA counties just fine.

It may represent more counties, but our city does not represent the state in its entirety (the majority of our population is in the more liberal/coastal counties).

[Robert Giacometti]

Folsom is more republican leaning while the state is more democrat.

Swmr, my question isn't directed at you, I'm just using your statement.

Most of us agree Folsom is a very desirable place to live, work and play and has Republican leanings. My question is, then why do Dems want to move here and change the very values/Political philosophies that makes Folsom so desirable that attracted them here in the first place?

If I was choosing to live in DEM leaning community because of its desirability, I'd be taking a long look in the mirror questioning my beliefs/philosophies, because they would be inconsistent with my actions.

Do any of the DEMS on here ever do this?

[swmr545]

Swmr, my question isn't directed at you, I'm just using your statement.

Most of us agree Folsom is a very desirable place to live, work and play and has Republican leanings. My question is, then why do Dems want to move here and change the very values/Political philosophies that makes Folsom so desirable that attracted them here in the first place?

If I was choosing to live in DEM leaning community because of its desirability, I'd be taking a long look in the mirror questioning my beliefs/philosophies, because they would be inconsistent with my actions.

Do any of the DEMS on here ever do this?

Can I answer though?

I had no choice in moving here, but haven't left here because it is home to me (I have lived in Folsom since Kindergarten, I'm now a senior in college). If/when I decide to move away, I will be taking the political makeup of the community I'm looking at before deciding to move there. Would I pick a community that is more conservative like Folsom? Maybe. Would I get involved in the local community and make sure that even though I may be in the minority that my voice be heard? Yes (although I have been focusing more on state politics than local politics in my young adult life). I don't think of the actions of the political minority as changing the community but more of wanting to be represented within their community, but I will say that there is a proper way of doing it.

There are many different reasons why someone would move to a certain community, so I don't think it's in direct opposition to their beliefs/values to move to a politically opposite community.

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It may represent more counties, but our city does not represent the state in its entirety (the majority of our population is in the more liberal/coastal counties).

Why should 5 or 6 counties rule the State of CA then ?

There is a reason some of us in CA choose not to live in SF, LA, Marin, etc

[swmr545]

Why should 5 or 6 counties rule the State of CA then ?

There is a reason some of us in CA choose not to live in SF, LA, Marin, etc

That's not my fault. But that's what you get in a democratic society. If those places outnumber the rest of the state in regards to numbers, then it's up to the minority to convince the majority to vote in its interest. Or put statutes in place to protect the minority of the sate from the rule of the majority.