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[Robert Giacometti]

OOPS, somehow I posted a plus 1 for post 141 and didn't intend to do that and a negative 1 on post 144 and MOST DEFINTELY didn't intend to do that.

If a MOD can please delete these 2 ratings It'll be greatly appreciated!

Seems to me the "black community" IS calling Zimmerman something...guilty of 1st degree murder.
Personally, I don't think Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speak for the "black community", but they ARE media whores who will insert themselves into ANY situation that furthers their racial agenda...truth be damned.
It is up to the "black community" (whatever that is) to denounce race baiting, otherwise, they give credence to those hustlers.
The MEDIA were the ones hyping the racial aspect to begin with...you know, rich white liberals filled with guilt, or maybe just cynics looking to boost ratings regardless of the personal or social costs.
I seriously doubt there was any racial component to this event, but rather a series of bad decisions on both parts.
Time will tell as the trial goes on and facts are presented. Whatever the outcome, makes no difference to me as I believe justice will eventually be served.

What does concern me is the slanted, inaccurate reporting done and the race profiteers whipping things into a frenzy. I am more concerned that a bounty was put out on Zimmerman's head, and that our Justice Dept turned a blind eye to that.


Obama should have stayed out of it. Period. If he had to insert himself, he would have been far more mature and presidential to simply state, "A full investigation is underway. While I know emotions are running high, I urge everyone to withhold judgement until all the facts come out." THAT is what a leader does, not add more fuel to the fire.

COMPLETELY AGREE!

[Robert Giacometti]

Questions for you, and others.

While we don't know all the facts of the case, at what age would you consider a person to be responsible for their own actions? Trayvon recently turned 17 (Feb. 5 was his birthday) before he was shot (Feb. 26) by Zimmerman. Granted, it is hard to judge the age of a person wearing a hoodie on a rainy night, but if he is considered to be a minor in the eyes of the law, and Zimmerman the adult, who had the mental capacity to make the better judgements that night? I don't know of many 16-17 year olds that make the most rational decisions, even if they are well-behaved kids. And as you said, Martin was suspended for behavioral issues, isn't this an indicator that he wasn't as rational as some of his peers are?

You say that Zimmerman's side of the story is looking
more accurate, but do these factors play any role in your belief in it?

I don't know what I would have done if I were in Zimmerman's shoes that night, chances are I wouldn't be out volunteering to be the lone neighborhood watch guy (safety in numbers) carrying a loaded gun around with me. I also doubt I would approach/follow someone that I thought to be suspicious.
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As for the intent of Maxine's reasons for posting this topic, it is deplorable that anyone would call for violence as a reaction towards another act of violence. However, this isn't unique to just the black community. I don't know of anyone on here that would advocate for such actions (as evidenced by everyone saying it was wrong in regards to what was said). But to use this thinking that silence from members of the community means that they are consenting to the actions of the few, when will Maxine (as a member of the anti-Obama crowd) say that Ted Nugent's rant against Obama and democrats (he said we should be beheaded) was wrong (since Boehner hasn't spoken out aggressively against this, is it safe to assume he's for the beheading of democrats)? Or is the rhetoric of Nugent different than the rhetoric of The New Black Panthers?

IF, ( this is the key word) Martin hit Zimmerman first and was pounding his head off the Concrete, then age shouldn't matter to a point. It looks like Martin could possibly be the more dominating of the 2, so IF ( another key word) Zimmerman felt his life was in danger, through the physical beating he was under then using deadly force is probably justified.

IF, a LEO is attempting to disarm someone is 14 and the LEO KNOWS the person is 14, IMO, if the 14 year old points a gun at the LEO, the LEO is justified in using deadly force.

IF, Zimmermna was truly headed away from Martin and it was Martin who was intiating the confrontation and did the things Zimmerman claims, then I just can't see how we can convict Zimmerman of Murder.

I suspect if you or I saw someone following us and then saw them turn around, I doubt either one of us would go confront them. However, when I was 17 and thought I was invincible, I may have gone back and opened up a can of whup arse on him, just because I thought I could and I wasn't going to let some puny wanna-be try to intimidate me.

[The Average Joe]

Or is the rhetoric of Nugent different than the rhetoric of The New Black Panthers?

Ted's rant was rhetoric about chopping their heads off in November. Obviously a political metaphor (hence the November part).
The Black Panthers put a bounty out on a (presumed innocent) citizen. That was not rhetoric.

While I thought ted was over the top on most of his rant (as he is want to do), I did like the "If a coyote is in your living room pissing on your couch, it's not the coyote's fault."
LOL

[Steve Heard]

I put up this thread after I heard black leaders calling for a race war to avenge the killing of Trayvon.

You may not agree with it, but if it can alert people to be more careful, and save more lives, then I feel it’s worth the crap I get from posters like you.

Our president and black leaders stirred the pot into a frenzy and it is still being stirred....and you are angry with me? A little misdirected, don’t you think?

The black community wants to call Zimmerman white, he isn’t. Explain that one to me.

Also, since Zimmerman nor Trayvon are famous, why all the big blowup? This sort of thing happens every single day in Los Angeles! Only it’s mostly blacks killing other blacks.

Posting videos and links to websites showing black criminals will get us nowhere. There is little to gain by it and I doubt you've saved many lives by doing so.

Are you aware that there are many, many white supremacist websites calling for a race war against blacks and other minorities? These have been around far longer than the Martin case or the new black panthers.

You found a website which features stories of blacks attacking whites. Did you also search for cases of whites attacking blacks? They're out there. Plenty of them. What's the point, that people are cruel to each other, and sometimes they are cruel to people of different races?

Do we really need to start a body count to see how many blacks have been killed by whites and how many whites killed by blacks? How far back do we go? This year? This decade? The last century? Slavery? What's the point and when will it end?

The 'black community' does not have an elected spokesman any more than the white community does, so please don't take the words of any one person, or even a group of people to represent the millions of black folks living in this country.

No, I don't think the person in the clip is the only black person who thinks that way, and I don't think you're the only white person who thinks as you do. The difference is that I don't take your views as being represntative of the 'white community'.

Again, not much point to it.

You ask why 'all the blow up' since Trayvon Martin and Andrew Zimmerman were not famous. I thought it was obvious, but here goes: It became national news because it is surrounded by controversy.

There is debate on nearly every aspect of the case.

Was Martin a good kid or bad?
Was Zimmerman a wannabe cop who murdered an innocent person?
Was Zimmerman defending himself?
Why didn't the District Attorny's office press charges as reccomended by the police?
Is the 'stand your ground' a sound one and can it be used as defense in this case?
How much was race a factor in the actions of Zimmerman, Martin, the District Attorney's office and the media?

I don't know the answers to these questions, but these are some of the questions surrounding this case.

Black youth, crime, hoodies, fear, racism, neighborhood watches, over-zealous people with guns, fight or flight, the media, and the laws of the land are some of the issues which must be examined in this case.

To claim, however, that it is 'open season' on whites, and claiming that this is a 'safety alert' is neither life-saving nor true.

[Folsom Reader]

Steve Heard- good posts to this unbelievable thread.

Maxine R- I don't know you and am aghast by your posts-and that is why I am replying in this thread. You are entitled to your opinions but in my opinion could use a reality check outside of your normal websites to get a pulse on news and the status of race relations in this country.

Stating "talk facts and only facts" and then posting a website from aryan group leaves me questioning why I would consider any of your statements. Yes you apologized, but I don't understand how you wouldn't know who was behind the content of that website when you are so sure of your facts and stating that people should "talk facts".

The statement "The black community wants to call Zimmerman white, he isn’t. Explain that one to me."- I thought one of his parents is white? Doesn't that count?

I clearly have different opinions from you and many of the other posters on this thread and on myfolsom.com.

Seeing the racism in some of the posts disillusions me tremendously- I would like to believe in 2012 Folsom could be an open community tolerant of diversity.

[old soldier]

Steve Heard- good posts to this unbelievable thread.

Maxine R- I don't know you and am aghast by your posts-and that is why I am replying in this thread. You are entitled to your opinions but in my opinion could use a reality check outside of your normal websites to get a pulse on news and the status of race relations in this country.

Stating "talk facts and only facts" and then posting a website from aryan group leaves me questioning why I would consider any of your statements. Yes you apologized, but I don't understand how you wouldn't know who was behind the content of that website when you are so sure of your facts and stating that people should "talk facts".

The statement "The black community wants to call Zimmerman white, he isn’t. Explain that one to me."- I thought one of his parents is white? Doesn't that count?

I clearly have different opinions from you and many of the other posters on this thread and on myfolsom.com.

Seeing the racism in some of the posts disillusions me tremendously- I would like to believe in 2012 Folsom could be an open community tolerant of diversity.

here is where it gets confusing..is it the black folks or the media that is calling Zimmerman white? I saw one place where the media called him a white hispanic, I guess cause the word white causes more excitement.

when you did down you have to ask why obama calls himself black when he is half white. I guess the answer might be to ask old zimmerman what his choice is in this matter.

the only winners I see so far are the gun stores, cause folks are upping their ammunition supplies, until we see how this is going to come out

[folsom500]

Dear Mr. Heard, I’m sure we’d all like to believe we live in a safe community, here in Folsom.
But it hasn’t been so long ago that a black man from out of town, brutally raped and killed a elderly white woman by the name of Alice Murphy. Can you tell me why he didn’t attack a black woman instead? Of course you can’t. But, many here may think it was because she was white that he chose her. To me that is a hate crime, but we all know hate crimes only happen to those who are not white, don’t we?

You have got to be kidding or something is wrong with your thought process- It was a crime of opportunity - not one of race in the least... and when you say 'many here' just who are you referring to ? as I have not seen this attitude in this forum or any other print form...
To you it is a Hate Crime- but you are likely singular in that opinion... and of course hate crimes go in all directions so I do not understand you final comment. It seems to me that you continue to espouse a racist bent in your posts on this matter..

Numbers and the rate of incidents against one race or another can be searched and brought forth for the sake of argument. Would you like to go there? White woman are killed and raped more by minorities, than any other race in this nation, just for your information. Why do you suppose that is? Shall we compare the cases in the last year?

You sure seem to have all the information at your finger tips but maybe you do not- care to present actual facts and sites that support your argument ? Your words only smack of further biased opinions rather than facts...

I’m sure for the sake of business, it would be nice to play this down and make people belive that here in Folsom, we need not worry about our safety. Alice certainly didn’t worry and probably believed what someone told her about our, oh so safe community.

While there is not a town in the US that does not have it's issues and crime- one case surely does not make Folsom is a place where we need to worry daily about such issues...

Your comment about Steve in this and previous posts only suggest that you are more racially motivated than you think. Your Bent on the Trevor Martin situation just furthers this feeling.

Have a nice day ...

[Robert Giacometti]

Seeing the racism in some of the posts disillusions me tremendously- I would like to believe in 2012 Folsom could be an open community tolerant of diversity.

I see hatred in some posts all the time. Being the tolerant person I am, I accept that these people have as much a right to their free speech as I do, even though I disagree with them.

I don't think Folsom will ever be an open community tolerant of diversity, simply becasue there are some who feel they are entitled to their beliefs, but aren't willing to support others the same right when that persons beliefs are opposite of theirs.

[folsom500]

I see hatred in some posts all the time. Being the tolerant person I am, I accept that these people have as much a right to their free speech as I do, even though I disagree with them.

I don't think Folsom will ever be an open community tolerant of diversity, simply becasue there are some who feel they are entitled to their beliefs, but aren't willing to support others the same right when that persons beliefs are opposite of theirs.

Diversity and free speech does not include racism - that is a line in the sand that should not be crossed...

By the way _ I changed the title to one more appropriate ...

[folsom500]

Probably because you are a man and because you haven’t any concern for your safety, as women do, you have no clue about what is happening. Must I do the research for you and embarrass you here in front of everybody?

Have you ever worked for any organization that helps women who have been raped and beaten?
Until you have, I’d suggest you get more informed on the matter before attacking my opinions.

Have a good day? I doubt you mean that....how lovely a statement for you to make. Very kind of you.

AS Joe Friday would say -post "just the facts mam"

Take Care - no harm no foul-- Cheers - F500

[supermom]

This thread needs to be deleted.


There has been no indication that race placed a factor in the death of Treyvon.


If it did, I imagine that that will deserve merit in the trial.

Creating racial angst is dangerous and harmful. Please stop.

[folsom500]

This thread needs to be deleted.


There has been no indication that race placed a factor in the death of Treyvon.

I am not sure that is the case