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[cw68]

IMO, its not about what side is or isn't committing in Voter Fraud or who is doing it more or less.

The real issue is that there IS voter fraud happening!

If having to produce a picture ID to vote reduces voter fraud, then why in the world would anyone be opposed to it?

Its freakin 2012 and EVERYBODY should have a picture ID! If one can make it to the voting booth to vote, then one can surely make it to whatever agency issues pictures ID!

If making everyone produce an ID to vote improves the integrity of the process, what is the problem with doing this?

I totally agree that the problem is that fraud is happening, not by who does it. Showing an iD doesn't solve the problems but does squelch people's right to vote. Showing an ID doesn't magically improve the integrity of the process.

[Chris]

The same military your boy Romney didn't mention once during his acceptance speech. Interesting how he is so "Hawkish" yet he didn't serve his country during Vietnam nor have any of his sons served.

I am sure the military will vote at least 75% in favor of Romney.....! That's why your side is trying to surpress the military vote as we speak. I know alot of guys who did not serve in Vietnam and alot who did. I know a few that never came back. I know many who came back and were never the same.... I know at least a couple who were POW's.... Obama and Biden did not serve, Biden was of the right age during Vietnam..... Kerry served but got out after three months because he was "wounded" by small shrapnel and requested to leave. Ever see Kerry's discharge...? No you have not because it was less than honerable. McCain served but I am sure you hated him. I have not served, it was pretty quiet back in 1985 so I did not join after college. Kinda wish I did now..... Did you serve...? And congrats on posting two whole sentences....! Not your usual drive by one liner....! Chris

[Judge Smails]

You mean limiting illegals from voting, out of staters bussed in by unions voting, dead people voting, people voting multiple times, out of district voters, unregistered voters, dem operatives creating new imaginary vote by mail ballots, etc... Yep, all over that....! Way to go Republicans....! Without all those fake votes you dems are gonna lose your edge....! Chris

Simply not true.

[ducky]

I just got a California Voter Registration Form along with my license renewal from the DMV.
The form asks for your driver's license or CA ID card. If you don't have those, it asks for the last four on your Social Security number if you have one. Wonder what they do if someone turns in the card with neither filled out?

Also interesting was this phrase at the bottom:

"New voters who register by mail may have to show their ID at the polling place the first time they vote."

If you have to prove who you are the first time you vote or register to vote, how is asking for ID somehow oppressive when you actually walk in to vote? It doesn't make sense that a poor person in a rural area can somehow be registered to vote and not have an ID. If they can't make a trip to town to get an ID, how will they make a trip to town to vote in person? They won't. They'll vote by mail in which case the whole ID impact will be moot.

To the argument about in-person voter fraud not existing, I'd say how do you know until ID is required? The few that have been caught are either because someone else turned them in or they fessed up (Josef Sever) or, in the one case I read about, a Democratic Precinct Chairwoman had her non-registered son vote for his father and it was discovered when the father went in later in the day to vote and the sign-in sheet showed he already had. Of course, if people are voting for the dead that haven't been taken off the polls, it's not likely they will show up later in the day to vote. Now, if there are people that are registered to vote under names that don't belong to them and that's why they can't come up with an ID, then there is indeed a problem that showing ID will fix.

That's just how I look at it.

[Judge Smails]

Why didn't Romney mention our military once in his acceptance speech? Romney is the one making foolish statements like "China is our greatest geopolitical threat" and taking a shot at Putin (metaphorically). How can you simultaneously rattle your sabres yet ignore those who will be doing the fighting.

[Robert Giacometti]

I totally agree that the problem is that fraud is happening, not by who does it. Showing an iD doesn't solve the problems but does squelch people's right to vote. Showing an ID doesn't magically improve the integrity of the process.

With only about 50% of the population voting now, I don't foresee too much squelching going on by requiring an ID!

Requiring people to show an ID to vote definitely improves the integrity of the process, because it discourages people from voting under someone else's name! Having to show an ID before Voting doesn't make the system perfect, but does make it better.

If a person can make it to a voting booth on election day, why can't they make it somehwere else to get an ID? If a person really wants to do something they typicaly can find a way to do it!

[cw68]

To the argument about in-person voter fraud not existing, I'd say how do you know until ID is required?

I'm not claiming that it absolutely doesn't exist. I just think it's so minuscule that it doesn't warrant keeping hundreds of thousands of people from being able to exercise their right to vote. (cue loop of arguments about how easy it is/isn't to get an ID) We have a difference of opinion. I'm very concerned about our rights staying paramount to our country and not taking them away in fear. I think that's dangerous.

[Judge Smails]

why does he need to mention it? and before you rag on Romney for not serving care to tell me when Obama served? oh thats right he didn't either so what's your point?

Bush and his father both served, did you give them credit for that?

Did you serve or if you have sons are they going to serve? Mine did.

try walking the walk yourself before you talk smack about others who have done just like you

He needs to mention it because we are currently fighting a war and he wants to be our Commander in Chief. Obama didn't serve in Vietnam because they weren't drafting elementary school children. I'll give Bush Sr. full credit for serving but Jr. only gets 1/2 credit at best. I wasn't in the military but I do appreciate your children's service. News flash, women can join the military now so it is not just sons who serve. What branch of the armed forces were you in?

[Judge Smails]

I am sure the military will vote at least 75% in favor of Romney.....! That's why your side is trying to surpress the military vote as we speak. I know alot of guys who did not serve in Vietnam and alot who did. I know a few that never came back. I know many who came back and were never the same.... I know at least a couple who were POW's.... Obama and Biden did not serve, Biden was of the right age during Vietnam..... Kerry served but got out after three months because he was "wounded" by small shrapnel and requested to leave. Ever see Kerry's discharge...? No you have not because it was less than honerable. McCain served but I am sure you hated him. I have not served, it was pretty quiet back in 1985 so I did not join after college. Kinda wish I did now..... Did you serve...? And congrats on posting two whole sentences....! Not your usual drive by one liner....! Chris

Kerry had a four month tour of duty not three months in the military. How long was Bush the junior in Vietnam. Vietnamese restaurants don't count.

[Chris]

Simply not true.

If you bothered to read any of the four examples and links I posted above you would know that it "simply" is true, very, very true....! What about the massive Washington State and Al Franken election voter fraud perpetrated by the dems and unions did you miss...? All of it apparently....! Read it again. Chris

[Chris]

Kerry had a four month tour of duty not three months in the military. How long was Bush the junior in Vietnam. Vietnamese restaurants don't count.

Bush served his whole tour of duty in the states flying F-4 Phantoms and was discharged honorably....

Al Gore flew around Vietnam in helicopters sitting on his helmet taking pictures.....

Kerry served three months in Nam, ok four months if you say so, and requested to leave his men and Vietnam cause he had been wounded three times by shrapnel. This was in early 1969 I think. In late 1969 he was running for Congress. Can you say "getting your ticket punched".....? If he got out in 69 why did he finally get an "honorable" discharge in 1978...? Because he got it "fixed" after receiving a less than honorable one when he got out earlier. Anyway, back to voter fraud, not military fraud like Kerry's discharge. Chris

[cw68]

Bush served his whole tour of duty in the states flying F-4 Phantoms and was discharged honorably....

Al Gore flew around Vietnam in helicopters sitting on his helmet taking pictures.....

Kerry served three months in Nam, ok four months if you say so, and requested to leave his men and Vietnam cause he had been wounded three times by shrapnel. This was in early 1969 I think. In late 1969 he was running for Congress. Can you say "getting your ticket punched".....? If he got out in 69 why did he finally get an "honorable" discharge in 1978...? Because he got it "fixed" after receiving a less than honorable one when he got out earlier. Anyway, back to voter fraud, not military fraud like Kerry's discharge. Chris

But crickets to my post...

[Chris]

But crickets to my post...

All small time stuff and does not compare on scale to what the dems do....! Any links that can match the scale of the Kennedy, Washington State, or Al Franken stolen elections...? No, you won't find them. And Bush 2000...! You have to be kidding, dems tossing military votes, dems only in dem heavy counties having two dems and one rep decide on what a "chad" was or "intent" of the voter in a recount. How do you think that vote would go....? Nice long wordy try but you struck out. Chris

[cw68]

All small time stuff and does not compare on scale to what the dems do....! Any links that can match the scale of the Kennedy, Washington State, or Al Franken stolen elections...? No, you won't find them. And Bush 2000...! You have to be kidding, dems tossing military votes, dems only in dem heavy counties having two dems and one rep decide on what a "chad" was or "intent" of the voter in a recount. How do you think that vote would go....? Nice long wordy try but you struck out. Chris

All hype. No substance. There is no hope with you. Hate hate hate. Blame blame blame. Dems are the root of all evil. Your arguments are way too biased to even be considered. Dang it.