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Chad Vander Veen For Folsom City Council 2014


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#151 ducky

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Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:09 AM

 

Absolutely agree. It's a problem most suburbs face. 

 

As civil engineer Charles Mahron wrote in his essay “Confessions of a Recovering Engineer” suburbs are rife with “wider, faster, treeless roads that ruin our public places and wind up killing people.”

 

He also notes that suburban planning such as the council has been engaged in over the decades is wholly unsustainable. The only way to survive is take on more debt and continue sprawling. It’s a ridiculously unproductive system, he says, and one that we can see at work right now in Folsom – ever wider and more dangerous roads, more expensive water and sewer, and reduced emergency response time.

 

A study by the CDC found that while we make less than 6 percent of our trips on foot, pedestrian fatalities account for 13 percent of all traffic fatalities, with the most dangerous areas for walking being the newer, sprawling southern and western communities where transportation systems are more focused on the automobile. In addition, every mile of arterial roadway added to a city increases a community’s fatal crashes by 20 percent.

 

Imagine walking from Old Town to Palladio. It would take hours and you’d be taking your life in your hands.

 

It would take a long time, but, if you started at Sutter St., the most dangerous section would be the first leg up Riley with no sidewalks until you get to the Walmart center.  After that you would have sidewalks and traffic light intersections (and bike lanes) all along Riley to Oak Avenue Parkway, turn right, and then left at Haverhill, left at Bundrick, right at Clarksville until you cross the street to Palladio.

 

If you left from the CBD on East Bidwell, you would have sidewalks all the way up to Creekside and then there is a gap, which is what I hope is one of the things the EB Corridor project will address.  The street is definitely wide enough there.

 

Chad, I'm wondering if your streetcar idea could also help with school transportation.



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:21 AM

Call me crazy:

 

but would it be difficult to get a trolley to ride the center divide and have load-unloads at intersections? The lights would stop traffic and the trolley.

How hard could it be to travel halfway across the street and get on the trolley before the pedestrian light changed?

This would get rid of the need for crossing arms and stuff. Just have to rely on the light system already in place.



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:33 AM

 

 

Chad, I'm wondering if your streetcar idea could also help with school transportation.

 

Wouldn't that be cool if you were a kid and you got to take a streetcar/trolley to school? 



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:44 AM

I still think if you reduce it to one lane between Wales & the Sutter Middle you will create problems for Duchow & School St. if it creates a backup.  If the city does something to discourage cut-through traffic onto residential streets, then it would probably work.

 

As noted in Howdy's post, people already duck out at Montrose and/or Wales or Glenn and race up School St./Wales/Glenn to avoid the mess.

 

The complete streets concept is worth looking at, but the area is already walkable so what are we trying to fix?  I tend to walk as the crow flies, through parking lots and along storefronts.   The biggest problem is crossing East Bidwell at the intersections.  In fact, I believe those bicycle/ped accidents were at crossings and those statistics didn't say who was at fault.  (There were two bike/vehicle accidents recently in the crime log and I believe both were in areas that have bike lanes: Oak Ave. Parkway/Folsom Auburn and Blue Ravine/Turnpike).

 

I do agree East Bidwell isn't very bike-friendly between Blue Ravine & Coloma, but Riley is a very viable alternative, as well as is School St. or Duchow and are already used by cyclists very frequently.  In fact, a majority of the cyclists also ride as the crow flies through parking lots, and, frankly, most of them are carrying large bags of recyclables and are just going down Glenn (also not bike friendly but isn't being addressed)  to get to the Walmart parking lot. 

 

I don't think any of the businesses oppose a roundabout at the end of EB Street where it meets up with the middle school, but then what happens when it meets up with Riley?  That's already a problem area.  How is this going to work with whatever the school district has planned for a reconfigured pick-up and drop-off for buses and parents?

 

Agreed, if you don't do traffic calming in the neighborhoods, you can't mess with traffic on the adjacent arterials. The problem is, our city won't consider real traffic calming.  It's always vetoed by public safety and solid waste, if not by the council. Why, because, as Chad has pointed out, the only way to provide good response time in a sprawling city is to make sure the emergency vehicles can drive fast on every street (because it is too expensive to have enough fire stations to keep the distances short). They even vetoed speed humps in a residential alley in the historic district because of response time and concerns about wear and tear on garbage trucks.

 

While School Street and Riley are OK alternatives for cyclists trying to bypass the mess on E. Bidwell, the point of complete streets is to provide access to the destinations on E. Bidwell. The alternatives get you close, and sure, you can use parking lots (I highly discourage this as parking lots are some of the most dangerous places to ride a bike -- consider that every car you pass is a potential conflict backing into you with poor visibility) and alleys (I use the one behind Target all the time), but they do not provide safe access to all destinations along E. Bidwell (and trust me, I know every alternative access for bikes in the area). But that's the point; if you have to use parking lots and alleys to get around on foot and by bike, then the infrastructure is not adequate and we are actively discouraging people from walking or biking, because most people won't search out the "Winkelman Routes", as we fondly call them.

 

As for the pedestrian facilities, they are marginal at best. Sidewalks on E. Bidwell are 4' to 5'  wide, where they exist. They do not meet ADA in many places, and have poles obstructing frequently. Also, they are at back of curb with no shoulder, so cars are whizzing by at 40 mph only a foot or two away. many of the businesses along E. Bidwell are not even accessible from the sidewalk without walking up an entrance driveway. And, as others have mentioned, crossing opportunities are very limited --  Blue Ravine, Montrose, Wales and Glenn.  It's a long way from Glenn to the lighted crosswalk at the middle school. Yes, the E. Bidwell corridor is walkable...if you compare it to the absolute pedestrian hell that exists in suburbia in many other parts of the country, especially the south and southwest, but not to ignore the midwest (there are lots of places where a pedestrian can not even cross the street at a signalized intersection because there is always a conflicting movement with a green light), but that isn't saying much.

 

I won't argue with anyone that the Blue Ravine - E. Bidwell area is a traffic nightmare at times, especially mid-day. Perhaps it wasn't such a bright idea to approve all those big boxes on a not-so-big road. But, as Chad alluded, the insanity is continuing to try to fix traffic problems by making ever bigger roads with ever bigger (and more dangerous and less efficient intersections) to accommodate automobile traffic at the expenses of all other modes. People argue that we need to, because every one drives everywhere. Well, there's a reason for that. We've designed out all other modes of transportation by separating destinations by too much distance and failing to provide infrastructure for walkers, cyclists and transit. People drive everywhere because we've left them no choice (unless they are creative and stubborn, or desperate).



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 10:54 AM

To clarify, Tony.  When I was referring to myself going through parking lots and along storefronts, I meant walking, not riding a bike.  I don't do that because I have to.  I do it because that's my preference.  I like to be away from the busy road as much as possible.  Even if there is a sidewalk I like to be away from the exhaust and wind from large vehicles.  I'm one of those crazies that doesn't even mind walking to Raley's or Petco or the bank or post office in the rain or hot days.  The covered storefronts help make the walk more pleasant.

 

If I'm riding a bike, which I don't tend to do for errands, I take residential streets as much as possible until I can get to a trail.



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 11:15 AM

Well, I think it would be great to see a trolley ride from Blu Ravine and Folsom to the Purple Place (not because its a bar, but because it would connect two distant points of the city)

 

Another on Oak Ave from Iron point all the way up ( I cant remember where it 'stops' )

 

I think it would be awesome to see one go from the top of Iron point at hwy 50 and cosco to eldorado hills (shopping area)

 

I would love to see a trolley go from greenback/Folsom intersection-across the rainbow Bridge (make her a double decker!) and split with one each going all the way up Riley and E Bidwell streets.

 

Realistically, those routes would finish off what the Foslom stage line does a poor job of covering either at all or in a realistic timely manner.

 

ofcourse it would also be nice to connect something from beal point to sutter street, but i imagine there would be a lot of push back from the feds on that.  you know~ the whole easy access of not worrying about DUI and getting to a bar form a camp site----but it would be nice for day trips to the lake.



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Posted 30 October 2014 - 07:50 PM

We should go all out and deploy Elon Musk's Hyperloop.

 

Heck if a train costs 60 million a mile, Hyperloop can't cost that much more  :superman:

 

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Posted 31 October 2014 - 08:11 AM

We should go all out and deploy Elon Musk's Hyperloop.

 

Heck if a train costs 60 million a mile, Hyperloop can't cost that much more  :superman:

 

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It's actually supposed to cost 1/10th as much as high-speed rail, according to Musk's back of the envelope calculations.



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Posted 31 October 2014 - 10:28 AM

lol, we could install these:

 

 

 

http://en.wikipedia..../Moving_walkway

 

 

A moving walkway or moving sidewalk (American English), known in British English as a travellator or a travelator (and colloquially known by some as a flatalator, transportalator, displacalator, horizontalator, straightalator, movealator, walkalator, lateralator, autowalk or movator)[citation needed], is a slow moving conveyor mechanism that transports people across a horizontal or inclined plane over a short to medium distance.[1] Moving walkways can be used by standing or walking on them. They are often installed in pairs, one for each direction.

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