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[waterbaby149]

Aronold

U must think u have insider trading information

Our recall champaign is gaining great strength

and we now have over 1,000 signatures

u don't seem to support anyone or do u

just taking stabs is your .......

[Ahnold]

Waterbaby, I think you proved my point for me. This recall has been floating around out there for several months and you still have only 1,000 signatures... isn't the minimum required like 5 or 6k? Is that why you feel compelled to seek other sources of anti-council support to fill out the remaining blank spaces?

I think I've made my position quite clear. There is no valid objection to the placement of a library on this site, nor does it represent a desecration of Mr. Farley's memorial; in fact, the library represents an opportunity to enhance veteran awareness and tribute. Is that unclear in some fashion?

I do take stabs at invalid, inaccurate or misinformed positions. Unfortunately for you, sir, most of your comments fall under these headings. I certainly hope you understand that I hold no personal grudge against you, I just take exception to you playing loose and free with the facts and then trying to trump them up with vague threats and allegations. you guys have accused some folks of being Tokyo Rose or Jane Fonda or some other anti-american propogandist, but you sure seem to have your own propoganda machine going full steam.

Should be an interesting next few months with respect to this issue.

[waterbaby149]

QUOTE (waterbaby149 @ Mar 9 2004, 10:39 PM)

California Codes Military and Veterans Code Section 1318 1318.  Every person who ................, tears down, or removes any veterans' memorial constructed or established by any veterans' association, as defined in subdivision © of Section 1260, is guilty of a crime punishable by imprisonment in the state prison or by imprisonment in the county jail for less than one year.            [B][SIZE=7]

This is my response to Ahnold

[annierose]

Here's the full text of the veterans code Waterbaby is quoting. A bit different with the dots filled in, isn't it?


Every person who maliciously destroys, cuts, breaks, mutilates, effaces, or otherwise injures, tears down, or removes any veterans' memorial constructed or established pursuant to this
division, or constructed or established by any veterans' association, as defined in subdivision © of Section 1260, is guilty of a crime punishable by imprisonment in the state prison or by imprisonment in the county jail for less than one year.

[waterbaby149]

Annierose

U do understand that "..." within a quote leaves you with the pertent information - if you refer to previous imput you would see that I have presented the code whole several times but ones here can't seem to read it all the way through to the point that was trying to be made

so hence it is not different with or without the words.......
I trust this adds to the clarification

[waterbaby149]

QUOTE (Ahnold @ Mar 12 2004, 02:01 PM)

Waterbaby, I think you proved my point for me.  This recall has been floating around out there for several months and you still have only 1,000 signatures... isn't the minimum required like 5 or 6k?  Is that why you feel compelled to seek other sources of anti-council support to fill out the remaining blank spaces?   I think I've made my position quite clear.  There is no valid objection to the placement of a library on this site, nor does it represent a desecration of Mr. Farley's memorial; in fact, the library represents an opportunity to enhance veteran awareness and tribute.   Is that unclear in some fashion? I do take stabs at invalid, inaccurate or misinformed positions.  Unfortunately for you, sir, most of your comments fall under these headings.  I certainly hope you understand that I hold no personal grudge against you, I just take exception to you playing loose and free with the facts and then trying to trump them up with vague threats and allegations.  you guys have accused some folks of being Tokyo Rose or Jane Fonda or some other anti-american propogandist, but you sure seem to have your own propoganda machine going full steam. Should be an interesting next few months with respect to this issue.

Shall we not fight fire with fire - no we believe that everyone is entitled to their opinion. Things are fine as long as they are agreeable to you
and what might add to your fire is that I am an educated professional woman so we shall now see how your bias runs

Have I now made my position clear

or to reiterate - the continuing acts of the cc, including and not limited to, the acts regarding the location of the library, the dealing with the firefighters and police officers is unacceptable and as it has continued in an unpresidented fashion for far too long - the voters i.e. the taxpayers of this community have had enough - therefore if the cc members were the smart business people that they claim to be - they would realize that their actions are inappropriate and work toward a peaceful resolution with all involved - and therefore not necessitate the recall petition

[annierose]

If you're educated, you're smart enough to see that code doesn't apply to the library circumstance at all.

[waterbaby149]

"If you are educated"
it relates in that a building is being built
and a memorial will be removed where the building is planned to be built..

it is very simple -

the recall is not against a library being built!
it is against where it is to be built
where is that - where there is a veteran's memorial
when was the last time you walked in the city park
the monument sits in a grove of trees with the names of our servicemen from several wars - these include the soliders for whom are streets are named.... wales, price, rumsey etc.

[dave]

the monument is in a grove of trees?

I believe the Farley plaque is nowhere near trees. It is on a rock behind the backstop.

[waterbaby149]

The monument is a huge rock that was brought from the prison that sits in a grove of trees - there is also another dedication to Farley Field on the back area of the back stop.

Go to the park and see for yourself

It is a much used area
and a beautiful peaceful place

[Linda Holderness]

I was going to stay out of this, but I do want to correct Waterbaby's misimpression. The memorial rock in the grove of trees is not going to be touched. It is nowhere near the library. The veterans committee recommended it be enhanced as a veterans memorial area, maybe with benches for quiet reflection and more landscaping and military flags. Very few people know this rock exists, and I think the library project is remedying that.

The Farley memorial stone, unfortunately very weathered, is not in the way of the library either and can stay if the veterans want to keep it there. However, they recommended moving it to the VFW hall. Farley's brother, though, wants it at the proposed veterans memorial site (with the "huge rock") where it can be seen by more people and I think the veterans committee likes that idea.

And since I'm on, I'd like to comment on the full text of the veterans code. The adverb "maliciously" (which Waterbaby deleted from her excerpt) modifies every verb that follows it, including "tears down" and "removes." The City Council may (or may not) move (not REmove) the Farley stone, but there is nothing malicious about it. The notion that they can be prosecuted for creating a finer memorial for the town's veterans is ridiculous.

[waterbaby149]

and u left out....

and no one uses that old field any way....

isn't that the other excuse - besides all of the comments prior - I live near the corner of Wales and Natomes and the traffic every day of the week is bad
add the library and it will be worse
it will also be more dangerous to cross the street
an elderly friend of mine tried to cross the street the other day and the only one that would stop was a police officer

this is no longer a nice quiet neighborhood - and I for one want that back - put the library someplace else - along with your fireplace, coffee room and other things that will create such a high cost you won't be able to pay the staff or buy more books... the economics of this in the town of Folsom is stupid we are not even a college town - what is our pull - the prison - what are we San Francisco, San Jose......Los Angeles what - no we are a nice town ... who does need a reasonable building for a library, a building that is larger than the one it presently is in.... not a cathedral

[dave]

Additional library traffic will be minimal and mostly during lighter traffic hours.

The real problem is that your neighborhood is no longer nice and quiet. If you want that back you'll have to move. Eventually you'll have a bunch of offices on Natoma just east of Wales, also.

The library project is just the last straw for you. It gives you a platform to protest the growth that Folsom has experienced. Remember, us newbies just moved here. Your long time locals made it possible.

Don't hate us. Remember, we built you lots of nice new parks.

[Candy Apple]

Isn't there a traffic light at NATOMA & Stafford for people to use marked crosswalks??????

[waterbaby149]

Hey Whoopee for cross walks
there is one at Natoma and Wales too

but does that really make cars stop just because they are suppose to

as to the traffic issue Dave - which way do you travel - it is busy all day long
come sit in a chair at the corner of Stratford and Natoma all day - start at about 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. and it doesn't stop then

and I am a newbie to Folsom - while I have worked in this town for a while I only recently moved down the hill to avoid the commute and "enjoy the convenience" only to have the Dam Road closed,local streets blocked off, and then some goof ball cc try and add to the traffic problem by putting a building on the corner of Stratford and Natoma

the contention that the City Park is not used is false - the parking lot always has cars in it and on the weekends is full most of the time especially during softball season

Again - Yes we can have a library - but not on that spot
for so many reasons that have been repeatedly set forth