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[cw68]

its probably just like in the old days when you had kings and castles. the ruling class always had their castle high on a hill and had a big wall around it.

this is what a modern day gated community is about. don't know of any that have moats and drawbridges

Just goes to show that everything old is new again!

[Redone]

If a council member was expressing the benefits of the diversity of different types of housing and how we as a community needed to allow these different types of housing in neighborhoods, all the while themselves living insulated from the different types of housing behind a gated community, IMHO it would seem very hypercritical of what they say and what they do.

They have every right to choose to live anywhere they want.

What would be your thoughts about someone who lives in a gated community then tells the rest of the community they need to accept subsized housing projects in their neighborhood?

So we then say that 1 council member must also live in an apartment.....maybe 1 must live in Historic Folsom....... Actually they were elected to do just what you say, help find the best place for subsidized housing. As far as I know none live in gates, or moved from gates just to get elected. I just don't get it, sorry.

[tessieca]

Action on this stuff at the city council meeting tonight. Report back to those of us who won't be attending.

[Robert Giacometti]

Action on this stuff at the city council meeting tonight. Report back to those of us who won't be attending.

I heard the item was continued.

[supermom]

So we then say that 1 council member must also live in an apartment.....maybe 1 must live in Historic Folsom....... Actually they were elected to do just what you say, help find the best place for subsidized housing. As far as I know none live in gates, or moved from gates just to get elected. I just don't get it, sorry.

I understand that the council may feel that subsidized housing may be better closer to shopping and close to public transportation but let me ask you this. How is this helping people who financially need subsidized housing by putting them in the historic distric where A) the closest grocery store is quite a hike B) I don't see them being able to afford to shop in Historic Folsom?

If this is a good premise for the reasons of subsidized housing; would it not have been better to put the subsidized house near Winco, which is an affordable shopping area, is still close to Mercy and Kaiser, and is very close to public transportation, IE; the light rail.

Further, would this not have allowed for less traffic build up in old folsom and also not changed the zoning for any area (as I believe but may be wrong) that there is apartment zoning for that area?

[ducky]

I understand that the council may feel that subsidized housing may be better closer to shopping and close to public transportation but let me ask you this. How is this helping people who financially need subsidized housing by putting them in the historic distric where A) the closest grocery store is quite a hike B) I don't see them being able to afford to shop in Historic Folsom?

If this is a good premise for the reasons of subsidized housing; would it not have been better to put the subsidized house near Winco, which is an affordable shopping area, is still close to Mercy and Kaiser, and is very close to public transportation, IE; the light rail.

Further, would this not have allowed for less traffic build up in old folsom and also not changed the zoning for any area (as I believe but may be wrong) that there is apartment zoning for that area?

This may be neither here nor there, but don't forget the Wal-Mart on Riley is supposed to be remodeling and will soon carry more groceries and will be right around the corner, albeit uphill from Bidwell.

[supermom]

This may be neither here nor there, but don't forget the Wal-Mart on Riley is supposed to be remodeling and will soon carry more groceries and will be right around the corner, albeit uphill from Bidwell.

My understanding is that Walmart nixed that idea. They had a survey in the store and a overwhelming amount of people in folsom did not want a grocery store in Walmart. I thought their newest 'renovations' involved a new floor-and such.

[ducky]

I could be mistaken, but I thought they withdrew their application for a new Super Wal-Mart out by Highway 50 and instead decided to expand the Riley Street store. I thought by "expand" they meant a grocery aspect.

[supermom]

I could be mistaken, but I thought they withdrew their application for a new Super Wal-Mart out by Highway 50 and instead decided to expand the Riley Street store. I thought by "expand" they meant a grocery aspect.

Well, regardless, I still think that there is a better place to put the subsidized apartments. You know what would be better if the city put a parking lot there with a free courtesy ride within folsom limits. Imagine how many people would be willing to go down there, park their vehicle for the night...get to the clubs and then get a courtesy ride home (and back the next day). That would surely make the city some money.

[ducky]

Well, regardless, I still think that there is a better place to put the subsidized apartments. You know what would be better if the city put a parking lot there with a free courtesy ride within folsom limits. Imagine how many people would be willing to go down there, park their vehicle for the night...get to the clubs and then get a courtesy ride home (and back the next day). That would surely make the city some money.

I'm not saying I support the location of the subsidized housing. I can see both sides of this and admit some of my other posts were perhaps insensitive to families that deal with mentally impaired family members, for which I apologize. I was relieved to hear that there would be careful screening to make sure there won't be violent people placed there, so my outlook has been changed somewhat.

I can also sympathize with people who live in the vicinity of this project wanting to ensure there won't be any negative impacts and may justly feel their neighborhood is carrying an unfair share of these type of developments and traffic - but then who ever said life was fair. It seems the city may not be in a position to deny this project, but if there is a more suitable location somewhere within the city and it has not been considered then I would also object.

By the same token, I also don't think a free lot and rides so people can get tanked on Sutter Street is going to improve the neighborhood any either.

[lisasellshouses]

By the same token, I also don't think a free lot and rides so people can get tanked on Sutter Street is going to improve the neighborhood any either.

I agree, it already worries me when I cross over Riley to the rainbow bridge.

The businesses at powerhouse and scarletts spills over into the streets sometimes. It is just a matter of time before someone get hit by a car.

and it is just not on the weekends. monday and tues nights i head home after class around 930/10am and the place is hopping...

I see a lot of DUI's in our police log........keep up the good work FPD....

[supermom]

By the same token, I also don't think a free lot and rides so people can get tanked on Sutter Street is going to improve the neighborhood any either.
I agree, it already worries me when I cross over Riley to the rainbow bridge.

The businesses at powerhouse and scarletts spills over into the streets sometimes. It is just a matter of time before someone get hit by a car.

and it is just not on the weekends. monday and tues nights i head home after class around 930/10am and the place is hopping...

I see a lot of DUI's in our police log........keep up the good work FPD....

Wouldn't DUI's be a reason to encourage concierge overnight parking and a ride home and back?
Granted I very rarely ever drink anymore...but in my youth I would have been happy to hand my keys over and have them park my car in a well guarded location and then accept a ride home at bar closing. I imagine that most clubs and bars in the area would also encourage their patrons to utilize such a facility. You spend what 7.50 on a mixed drink? Multiply that several times. It would be worthwhile to pay a 10-15 $ parking fee instead of thousands for a DUI. I think it would actually bring more business to the area.

[FolsomRider]

Lies? maybe your closed mind overlooked the fact that I cited the sources for the statistics I stated... And if I have read correctly, in other threads, you attempted to state similar statistics. Funny how when the topic goes against your wants, everyone is wrong.

Want to hoist our "holier than now beliefs on others?" If that was true, I would be in seminary school. And who is hoisting their belief system on others? I'm not signing any petitions to drive them away... You haven't even met these people yet! Or from what I read, even know who these people are.

Sorry EDH, I was one of those kids diagnosed as ADD as a kid. It was a wrong diagnosis. But I know the stigma that it carries!!! I am a major proponent for education and the proper treatment for behavior disorders. And not all of them are biochemical in nature.

So, until you have walked in the shoes of the other side, keep your holier than now comments to your self as they make you look closed minded.

I'm sorry... but you are full of it...

1 in 4 people mentally ill....? that is a stinking lie.... you are just part of the "every one is a victim" crowd...

You still didn't answer the question... let's say you are a Pysch dude treating these people... would you want them living next to you...? I don't think so... you and your ilk are just a bunch of pius holier than thou types who wants to foist your belief system on to the rest of us...

And just because we dont' want some mentally ill folks next to our homes doesn't mean we don't feel for them... god almight we pay out so much in taxes in the name of compassion and then there are those of us who help so many charities that it makes me ill to read crap like your post...

Where is it written that we have to have this in our community...? it's you liberal social engineers that want it... those of us against it are at least honest about it....

Your phony stats just irritate the heck out me...

You and your ilk are the ones behind the feeding of ritalin to our kids because of the "over diagnosed" symptoms of ADD and ADHD.... and we get kids out of that when they get off of them that go crazy....

I think your field of learning is pretty close to witch craft and cultism...

Those are my nice warm and fuzzy thoughts....

Excuse me now while I go out and hang with my local hate group.... we'll be talking about you....

Make it a great day...!!!!!

[FolsomRider]

Thank You Lisa!!!!! Your response did great justice to this thread, from the viewpoint of a family member walking along side a mentally person and a professional working in the real estate business!!!! Well presented and very well put. Yes, these people are your Mothers, Fathers, Brothers and Sisters.

For the record, My father suffers from Alzheimer's Disease. He is well known in his neighborhood (Folsom), well loved by his neighbors. He is very well loved by all at a couple of the local businesses he frequents. And I guarantee that MANY of the members of this Board and participants in this thread have met him!!!!

I find it odd that people will say what they're saying behind the back of the ill, but I question what they would say if they had to face the situation head on. As in looking in the eyes of an ill person or from the aspect from a family member.

Again, "Not in My Back Yard" is not the American Way! I ask the moderator to refrain from forwarding any personal identification as, yes, in this Folsom Society, I do fear retaliation!

[FolsomRider]

Ditto.... I believe management is far safer from denial!!!!

Chances are you already live on a street with someone with a mental disorder but you may never know it. These illness can be managed successfully.

I am more worried about those in our community that are not being treated at all.