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[Dave Burrell]

Okay.

I'm gonna try this from another angle. (aka, no more snapping at others. at least for a while.)

Dav, i understand that your reasons are viable for believing that there was lewd misconduct occurring at the dance. However, the fact is, it's simply not feasible. It may have happened before or after the dance, yes. Even on the party bus some of the seniors took. (I dont support the concept of those things, and i dont even really like the kids that take them- most of them are the type of kids you're describing.)

As for the drug/alcohol abuse... yes, it's happened. It's ALWAYS happened. Kids did the same thing at your age as they do now, it's just that E has popped up and it terrifies people. For good reason. However, the thought that it's an "epidemic" is simply ludicrous. As for the showing up drunk..... that idea isnt QUITE as ludicrous, but it's still out there. If people are drunk, it's fairly easy to tell. Especially when there are breathalyzer tests going on. And Normajean, i'm sorry, but you think they had flasks taped to their thighs? With, to indirectly quote you, their "obscenely short dresses?" Not to mention, where will they drink it? What will they do with the flask when they're done, dance with it on?

StacyCam, the problem isnt terrible. A few kids do come to the dance stoned, etc. as has happened since our GRANDPARENTS time. A few might feel eachother up at the dance; it's dark and hormones are raging. But the fact is, people dont have outright sex at the dance. They freak dance, it's true. Occasionally, a swing dance song will come on. And, by the way, you should have seen the reaction to "What is Love?" when it was played. All freaking stopped, and the crowd just began to jump, scream, and sing along. I dont think my eardrums will ever be the same after that.

The thing is, i understand why parents feel it's disrespectful, outrageous, etc. But to us, it's not. The vast majority of girls that i know scorn the idea of not dancing that way. To them, it's just their preferred form of dancing. And it's the same with the guys. However, when some kids take it too far, they're often made fun of, scorned, and asked to stop. For example, my best friend picked up his girlfriends leg while they were front to front dancing and put it over his hip. It didn't last long, however, due to the dirty looks and snide remarks from others, including myself, about how they oughta just take it outside if they're going to do that.

So, with that said, i vote that we try to get this thread back on topic. I know i'm going to continue to be ridiculed, insulted, and that my opinions will be degraded for a while, but i'll try to keep the comebacks down.

What do you all think?

Great post - thanks for that, it really helped explain things much better

[Blade_Strong]

thanks. and i'm sorry for the pissing contest we got into earlier. It's just frustrating when it seems like people don't listen to what you think just because you're younger than them.

Just because i'm an 18 year old senior doesnt make me an idiot, or immature, or anything. It's true, stereotypes exist for a reason, but in certain situations they shouldnt be applied, especially concerning situations when parents are requesting information about what's really occurring, but then ignoring the statements of people who were there, simply because they feel that "we're immature because we're younger, and just took offense."

that's the way it felt. Yes, i'm younger. No, I dont believe anybody had sex at the dance. As have many other people my age who attended the dance. Yet our arguments were refused. Now, some of the people, like Dav, have reasons why they don't believe, and that's perfectly valid.

However, people who either have no reason to doubt or havent expressed that reason (chipshot, darthvader) have no business degrading us. That's what started the pointless argument between me and, well, pretty much everyone from page 6 on.

So, Dav, or other level headed people, i would love to hear your response to my last post, and we can discuss it like rational beings. I wont act as pissy as i was earlier, and i would appreciate it if you could do the same.

[guy]

nlove4ever - I would first like to thank you for showing your lack of faith in the future leaders of this society. I know that the concept of an intelligent student actually possessing profound writing capabilities may seem unseemingly, but wake up to reality; many students can actually express their opinions in a dignified manner (although I am sad to say that the "pissing contest" that has formed due to a couple of students does not justify this comment).

normajean - In the beginning of this heated blog you asked for answers about whether or not students were having sex on the dance floor. You got an answer and that answer was no. As a matter of fact, you got that answer more than once. However, instead of accepting this response and re-instilling confidence in the youth at Folsom High, you blatantly stated that you were "convinced" that students were having sex at that dance.

When you were a child did you ever play the telephone game? Remember, that game where you and ten of your closest friends stood in a line, the person on the far left whispered a phrase to the right and, after repeating this process nine times, the person on the far right blurted out something that was not even remotely similar to the beginning phrase. Congratulations, but you are a victim of the far right.

In addition, you tried to rally support to take action against these non-existent actions. If such actions were actually taking place I would have commended you for your motives. However, what are you doing? In the beginning of this blog you expressed a concern, a concern which prompted a number of high school students, some well spoken and others less so, to stand up against rumors and protect the credibility of their high school. Even after their responses, you continue to sit at your computer and complain. What does that show? What kind of action is that? You have merely sat around a pointed fingers at the school for not successfully policing a dance to stop sexual actions that were not happening. If you have valid concerns, why don't you handle this problem like an adult? Get off your computer, get in your car, and walk through the front doors of the Administration Office at Folsom High School. There you can talk to the receptionist, who will then redirect you to an individual on campus who can handle your whining.

Regardless, if I ever enter a "telephone game" contest, I will make sure to look you up.

Realitycheck here makes an excellent point. Kids will exaggerate. Its unavoidable and I am sure several of these kids were not thinking when they told you what they saw. Let me be another Folsom High student trying to present the real story of the dance.

First, there was freaking. No one can deny that. I was there and I saw it, however, freaking is NOT sex. It is not close to sex and the accusations being made are absurd. I cannot say there wasn't a used condom on the floor or flasks or drugs, but i can say that the majority of Folsom High students are good kids.

Second, there were numerous chaparones at the dance doing their job. I can be the first to tell you that students are smart (yes believe it or not we can form intelligent sentences thanks to your tax dollars) and we have learned how to avoid the chaparones, but it was dark and hundreds of students did get caught freaking and were stoped.

Third, dancing styles have changed drastically and parents need to be accepting of that. Front to back is how our generation dances and its really the only way we feel comfortable dancing. With that said, high school dances are extremely different than middle school dances. There were kids making out and freaking and many freshman are amazed to see it. These freshman go home and, believe it or not, brag to their parents about going to a "big boy" dance. In this case, these freshman and probably some upper class students over exagerated like they do every year.

With that said, lets discuss the acusations of sex on the dance floor. I did not see anyone laying on their backs in the middle of the dance! Thats just stupid to think. Laying down on the dance floor would be just plain dangerous and a good way to get seriously hurt. I did not see anyone having sex, giving blowjobs, or any other sexual activity. I saw a group of 2000 kids dancing. Thats my observations and I am not going to go as far as saying that no one out of those 2000 kids went a little too far, but I will say that i did not see anyone engaging in those activities.

So to all those parents judging Folsom High. How about instead of talking online, you get up and talk to your kids. If you think your kid had sex on the dance floor then maybe you shouldn't blame the school, who is doing the best they can with the funding they are provided, but you should look at the things you have taught your kids or in some of your cases the things you didnt teach them. (Probably because you are too busy trying to ruin the good reputation of Folsom High by gossiping on the web).

Just my 2 cents

=)

[gotsoccer256]

alright, i am ANOTHER high school student, just on my friends account. i don't even know where to start with this ridiculous blog. here's the main point that us high schoolers are trying to get across. DANCES ARE NOT GETTING OUT OF HAND. and as you all think "oh you can't be in the middle all the time" or "you're not everywhere". ok but i'm not dumb. i know people from a lot of different "cliques" and of all different grades and i never heard this stories until this blog was brought to my attention. ok here i go..

1) "Freaking" is only against school policy because parents LIKE YOU on this blog freaked out when they dropped their kid off at a dance. yes i know, it's a little disgusting when you go all out but a lot of people have self control. it's a phase and it'll eventually go out of style just like the disco. so seriously..let it go.

2) Sex at a dance? it's happened once that i know of and that was when i was a freshman. that was 4 years ago! as other students have said people were constantly going inside and out because there was no air conditioning on. and when slow songs came on almost everyone sprinted out of the middle in fear of an awkward partner. it would be pretty hard to have sex while everyone was moving around. and I personally walked through the middle multiple times and never saw such action. unless the kids that are saying they saw it, actually saw "freaking" that got too out of control and said it "looked like sex". this is all an over exaggerated mess.

3) the whole drug and alcohol abuse at dances. YES. it happens. at every single dance. a lot of people know about it, but it's not a big deal because hey people do it after the dance. but if people get caught, they get punished. the admin at folsom high is very good at dealing with problems and this does not need to be another one of them. they have enough on their shoulders than to deal with dance issues.

4) Oh, so some kid at the dance saw a used condom on the floor? It's so dark in there that you would have to bend down about an inch away to see what something was. How did they even know it was used? did they pick it up and exam it? That could have been a popped balloon or something. i walked around with no shoes on all night and they only thing i felt on my feet were empty water bottles.

5) We students that are replying to this blog are trying to get parents to understand the truth. and we are being so defensive because we don't want anything happening to our dances again. A good majority of us on here are seniors and only have a few left and we want to enjoy them like the classes before.

6) Parents who are convinced it happened because your kids told you so? no offense but that's another argument in itself. Yes, kids lie. Your kids lie to you for no reason. ever heard, "oh i'm just sleeping at Bethany's"? ok well half the time they are sleeping at a boy's house or at a party about to get hammered and planning to sleep in their car. Your children do lie. They probably want you to believe they're so good so they tell you a rumor that's going around.

So, parents...think about the telephone game and understand rumors are almost always wrong. This is one of those rumors. High school is only a 4 year period and it does by so fast. don't ruin it for everyone. and i personally know the Activities Director at the school and he doesn't deserve this at all. and neither does any other administrator at folsom high! There are millions of rumors floating around after every dance and this is just the beginning of the school year! So seriously...take it down a notch. Kids will be kids. They will dance how they want. They will have sex if they want. at a dance? EW. no. Have a little more faith in us.

Basically here's the breakdown of what's REALLY going on at a school dance. Alright, everyone spends all day getting ready, they but on their dresses (which i will admit some are ridiculous, but can't be that bad because they pass dress code to get in), or their dress shirts and ties. they go to someone in their group's house to take pictures. they get into their limo, party bus or car. they go to dinner. they eat and pay. they go to the dance and wait in a huge line to get in. some get breathalyzed and every purse gets checked and so do every guy's pockets. then everyone goes inside, takes dance pictures and put their purses and high heels away. then everyone goes into the dark gym and DANCES. yup, people freak dance. get over it. people sing, cry, fight, laugh and have fun at dances. then it's over and god knows what some people do after. that's what happens at dances. there is nothing to worry about. so, parents, stop freaking out over a rumor. this blog does not need to be 12 or 13 pages or whatever. it's simple. don't believe a rumor, common sense. i don't want the end of my last high school year to be ruined over something on the internet. i'm not trying to be rude or anything, i'm just getting fed up with our school activities getting limited because of something ridiculous.


oh and to previous posts, homecoming tickets were limited last year because we were having our roofs redone and it rained unexpectedly and it ruined the floors. which is why not everyone could come but the Activities Director did his best and got us the gym instead of folsom middle school multi.


and that's all i have to say.

[yahbut]

that was a sarcastic reply to chip, try not to get so defensive

read the posts, almost all of you have stated you freak dance, or did you conveniently forget that already?

and I hate to break it to you but yes, most people in their 40's are 100x's more mature then teenagers

As a guy in my 40's, I have to disagree. This started by a wild eyed 40 something posting these outrageous rumors in a TEEN FORUM!?

I am probably as ashamed of all my "40 something" peers here as the kids here are of the small minority that make poor decisions. Sadly, poor judgement is expected from teenagers.

[agriff1109]

Well according to the kids who are posting here, FHS is perfect with no drug usage, sex or bad stuff of any kind going on - so as they have instructed, there is no need to worry about anything ever, you just have to trust them because kids are more trustworthy then adults

They didn't see anything bad going on and neither did Theresa so that means nothing bad ever happens there, you'll just have to buy that, I mean believe that... or they will tell you again and call you a dumbarse if you don't, remember, according to them, they are the more mature ones here

thanks goodness its all just rumors and that all the other kids who reported seeing it were just um, making it up to have something to talk about with their parents

oh and freak dancing is great, so nobody is allowed to ever diss it - in fact it should be made school policy to enforce freak dancing to make sure everyone is doing it right

you know what davburr just because we're teenagers that doesn't make us naive or dumb. Got it? We're actually pretty smart and knowledgable about what's going on at our own school and of course people do drugs and have sex and drink alcohol. Just because this is Folsom that doesn't mean everyone is perfect. But we're saying that out of a student population of 2000 there's only a small percentage that participates in these activities. So if you're done bashing on teens for speaking up for themselves, maybe you might actually want to take our word for it since we WE"RE ACTUALLY THERE!

[agriff1109]

I'm glad you people think that simulating sex in public is good, normal, and decent behavior.

Your parents must be proud.

Or not.

You're right I should just be tarred and feathered for dancing...it's shameful that two willing young adults want to come closer than a foot of each other.

I forgot we're all Amish living in northern Pennsylvania...my mistake.

[Jake_Woods]

they had no reason to lie huh?
people lie for no reason, sir. Sorry to burst your bubble. Sometimes they do it just for the reaction they get from it.

so. going to your doubt that i would see anything.

Have you been to an FHS dance? There ain't a lot to cover. And you're losing sight of the fact that people don't like having people they dont know have sex right next to them. It's kind of a social unacceptability.

i'm just a freshman at fhs but i didnt see any used condoms or anybody having sex on the dance floor or in the bathrooms and like blade said there was no room in that gym to even do any of that stuff it was crowed in there even in the back because that is were i was but still i never saw anything like that going on at homecoming

[Blade_Strong]

lol

nicely said adam.

i like how the second i stop being belligerent everybody else starts =)

oh well. If y'all wanna think that, and not respond when we try to explain things, that's fine. But like i said. Admittedly, there have been some belligerent posts by people my age, and thats alright. But don't read those and ignore the calmer ones, (like mine on top of the page.)

Or, for entertainment value, you could read my angry ones too.

again, read the rational ones, adults, and please respond. Let us know your RATIONAL concerns, opinions etc.

[Blade_Strong]

oh and to previous posts, homecoming tickets were limited last year because we were having our roofs redone and it rained unexpectedly and it ruined the floors. which is why not everyone could come but the Activities Director did his best and got us the gym instead of folsom middle school multi.
and that's all i have to say.

you dont remember when they limited homecoming tickets due to the fact that too many people had been at the dance? And when they banned guest bids because of too many people?

[wakeupftown]

I am a senior at Folsom High School and I would just like to get my opinion in before this thread gets completely out of hand yet again.

1. There was a couple caught having sex under the bleachers at the '05 Homecoming. The bleachers are no longer pulled out at dances.

2. I rarely left the dance floor at the '08 Homecoming and I was frequently both in the middle and on the outside. Yes, I was not everywhere at once to tell you for a fact that sex was not happening, but I never saw anything of the sort and neither did anyone I have talked to. Sure, I have not talked to everyone and maybe someone saw something...or maybe it was only a rumor.

3. Yes, people feak dance. Yes, on the back of the dance ticket it said "freaking is out". But the teachers at the dance cannot stop all of it, it is not their fault. Yes, I have freak danced, does that make me a bad person? That is your opinion. Is freak dancing sex? NO.

4. Those that have said "I weep for future generations"...I would like to address that more prominently than anything else. Have you attended Folsom High School, interacted with the students, and observed our acedemics? First, Folsom High School is a wonderful school to attend. Yes, there are drugs and alcohol and other unsafe behaviors, but that is such a small percent of students compared to those who are aspiring for higher goals. Second, Folsom High School has some of the highest test scores not only in California, but in the entire country. Our jazz band is Number One in the nation. We have a great amount of AP and Honors programs, and I am proud to say that I have taken many and am presently taking two AP courses this year, and many other schools cannot give their students these acedemic opportunities like Folsom can. Last, I would like to explain the "future generation" for the adults on this forum and explain that you have no need to worry. I am an officer for BRO, Bulldogs Reaching Out. It is a club full of students who want to make a difference in younger students' futures. We go to elementary and middle schools and inform those students about the dangers of alcohol, drugs, and violence and how they can make smart decisions in their present and future (because believe it or not, we have 5th graders asking us what to do when their parents try to force them to smoke weed). I am extremely proud of being apart of a club that can make a difference and I know we already are. There are other clubs like JSA (Junior Statesmen of America) where I have seen the next leaders of America, maybe even the next President, and I must admit - I am not worried. Pink Ladies (breast cancer awareness and fundraising), Interact (community service), and the California Scolarship Federation (which has hundreds of members) are all great examples of the opportunities we have and the sense of leadership we posses.

5. Yes, I understand that this rumor of sex at the dances is terrifying for Folsom parents. If I were you, I would feel the same way. However, you must understand that the students that have posted on this forum are simply trying to inform you of what they saw. We were all AT THE DANCE, and we did not see anything. Sure, we were not everywhere at once, but you must trust us. If something like that had happened like it did four years ago, the administration WOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED. Just because a small amount of students do something does not mean the rest of the students would readily accept it - we would not.

In conclusion, please do not begin name calling and arguing yet again, I grew extremely angry and disgusted just reading this thread. And please do not weep for the future generation, we will soon lead and run this country and when that time comes, we will make you very proud. Now if you will excuse me, I am going to go mail in my transcript to my first college choice and have dinner at my grandma's. Thank you for patiently reading this, I hope I was not rude, I was only trying to get a point across.

[gotsoccer256]

Blade when you said:
you dont remember when they limited homecoming tickets due to the fact that too many people had been at the dance? And when they banned guest bids because of too many people

i jsut wanted to let you know that, yes they did have to limit the amount of tickets for lasr years homecoming because of the water damage and we could only use part of the gym, while some was blocked off. yes there were a lot of people that wanted to go to the dance but that is not why there were a limited amount of tickets sold. with the guest bids for last years homecoming they allowed them, but again is was with limits. If I remember the numbers correctly seniors had 100 guest bids available, juniors had 75, sophomore had 50, and freshman had 25. But they were still available. I'm not sure where you are getting your information,but having had the activites director as a teacher for a teacher last year I am sure this is why there was only a limit on tickets.

I agree with the point you are trying to make, i just felt that you should know the actual reason before you use it was another point to back your self up.

[forumreader]

Very nice post, wakeup!

First, I am embarrassed by the bickering that has gone on in this thread. It seems that some of the posts from the adults were less mature than those from the teens. (I supposed I have a higher expectation for adults.)

I am a parent of a teen. I do not have my head in the sand, as some have suggested, yet I do not believe the reports of rampant sexual activity on the dance floor. I have contact with many teens from different "groups." No one I have spoken with has claimed that all dance participants were perfect ladies and gentlemen. However, it seems that these stories are rumors blown out of proportion.

High school students are faced with many challenges (i.e. drugs, alcohol, sexual promiscuity, etc.). Many students are sadly very lost. Yet there are many young people on our campuses that should make us proud. They carry promise for the future of our society. (Wakeup, you sound like one of those!!)

[Dave Burrell]

I am a senior at Folsom High School and I would just like to get my opinion in before this thread gets completely out of hand yet again.

1. There was a couple caught having sex under the bleachers at the '05 Homecoming. The bleachers are no longer pulled out at dances.

2. I rarely left the dance floor at the '08 Homecoming and I was frequently both in the middle and on the outside. Yes, I was not everywhere at once to tell you for a fact that sex was not happening, but I never saw anything of the sort and neither did anyone I have talked to. Sure, I have not talked to everyone and maybe someone saw something...or maybe it was only a rumor.

3. Yes, people feak dance. Yes, on the back of the dance ticket it said "freaking is out". But the teachers at the dance cannot stop all of it, it is not their fault. Yes, I have freak danced, does that make me a bad person? That is your opinion. Is freak dancing sex? NO.

4. Those that have said "I weep for future generations"...I would like to address that more prominently than anything else. Have you attended Folsom High School, interacted with the students, and observed our acedemics? First, Folsom High School is a wonderful school to attend. Yes, there are drugs and alcohol and other unsafe behaviors, but that is such a small percent of students compared to those who are aspiring for higher goals. Second, Folsom High School has some of the highest test scores not only in California, but in the entire country. Our jazz band is Number One in the nation. We have a great amount of AP and Honors programs, and I am proud to say that I have taken many and am presently taking two AP courses this year, and many other schools cannot give their students these acedemic opportunities like Folsom can. Last, I would like to explain the "future generation" for the adults on this forum and explain that you have no need to worry. I am an officer for BRO, Bulldogs Reaching Out. It is a club full of students who want to make a difference in younger students' futures. We go to elementary and middle schools and inform those students about the dangers of alcohol, drugs, and violence and how they can make smart decisions in their present and future (because believe it or not, we have 5th graders asking us what to do when their parents try to force them to smoke weed). I am extremely proud of being apart of a club that can make a difference and I know we already are. There are other clubs like JSA (Junior Statesmen of America) where I have seen the next leaders of America, maybe even the next President, and I must admit - I am not worried. Pink Ladies (breast cancer awareness and fundraising), Interact (community service), and the California Scolarship Federation (which has hundreds of members) are all great examples of the opportunities we have and the sense of leadership we posses.

5. Yes, I understand that this rumor of sex at the dances is terrifying for Folsom parents. If I were you, I would feel the same way. However, you must understand that the students that have posted on this forum are simply trying to inform you of what they saw. We were all AT THE DANCE, and we did not see anything. Sure, we were not everywhere at once, but you must trust us. If something like that had happened like it did four years ago, the administration WOULD HAVE BEEN INFORMED. Just because a small amount of students do something does not mean the rest of the students would readily accept it - we would not.

In conclusion, please do not begin name calling and arguing yet again, I grew extremely angry and disgusted just reading this thread. And please do not weep for the future generation, we will soon lead and run this country and when that time comes, we will make you very proud. Now if you will excuse me, I am going to go mail in my transcript to my first college choice and have dinner at my grandma's. Thank you for patiently reading this, I hope I was not rude, I was only trying to get a point across.

With teens like you, blade and the others that took the time to come on here and help explain things - the future looks bright. You guys are pretty smart and level headed and I do now agree that some of us parents have over reacted because we are paranoid about our kids well being, I apologize if I went over the line at any time

and you know what, I believe you guys about the dance and what went on because as you have so eloquently pointed out, you were there and we were not. Who knows maybe something did happen, or maybe something got blown way out of proportion... but it helps to know that some smart teens (you all) will be around to hopefully keep the knuckleheads in line if you should ever encounter any out there.

I think we've beat this subject to a pulp, its probably time to put this thread to rest...

have a great weekend everyone

[JChastain]

Blade when you said:
you dont remember when they limited homecoming tickets due to the fact that too many people had been at the dance? And when they banned guest bids because of too many people

i jsut wanted to let you know that, yes they did have to limit the amount of tickets for lasr years homecoming because of the water damage and we could only use part of the gym, while some was blocked off. yes there were a lot of people that wanted to go to the dance but that is not why there were a limited amount of tickets sold. with the guest bids for last years homecoming they allowed them, but again is was with limits. If I remember the numbers correctly seniors had 100 guest bids available, juniors had 75, sophomore had 50, and freshman had 25. But they were still available. I'm not sure where you are getting your information,but having had the activites director as a teacher for a teacher last year I am sure this is why there was only a limit on tickets.

I agree with the point you are trying to make, i just felt that you should know the actual reason before you use it was another point to back your self up.

if you didn't notice at the dance this year the same size of the section of the floor was again blocked making blade right on that and you right as well.
and really has everyone had a chance to explain themselves on this topic? because it is kinda over already. and thank you for the compliment davbur. it is greatly appreciated.