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Folsom Lake Drought Water

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Poll: Water Supply (20 member(s) have cast votes)

How many months of water supply does Folsom have reserved in Folsom Lake?

  1. 3 months (we will be out of water in May) (1 votes [5.26%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.26%

  2. 5 months (we will be out of water in July) (4 votes [21.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.05%

  3. 6 months (we will be out of water in August) (6 votes [31.58%])

    Percentage of vote: 31.58%

  4. Your paranoid (the rain will come and we will be fine) (8 votes [42.11%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.11%

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#166 TruthSeeker

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 04:29 PM

 And there's the pivot to local water politics we were all expecting from you!  Why didn't you lead with it?  Or start a thread titled "Let's Develop A New Water Source" instead of playing with polls and algebra?


Who cares if we have a water shortage coming and that some fools care enough about it to want to do something about it. Thank god you told us we have alternative sources and that arrowhead spring water will soon be delivered to our doors.

How's that chlorine tasting? Good for kids too huh?

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 01:52 PM

1.  Public Notice  14 -273

      (negative declaration of impact, of course) for

  116  units of housing at 1680 E. Natoma Street.    No mention of water availability.

 

 

2.  Public Notice 14-375  

63 housing units SW corner of E. Natoma and Golf Links Drive.  

    Neg. dec of course, but no mention of water.

 

 

3.   PN 14-351    31,668  sq. ft.  Maijid Bilal (Islam community center)   at 501 Levy Rd.    It has 2014 notice, but notice states all the environmental studies were done in 2003   -- neg dec of course.

      A lot has changed at this location and Intel employees have a difficult commute, especially with the Manufacturing Zoning becoming Low Income Housing.    

This large center is across from the public financed housing.

 

 

How can the city council continue to rezone and develop  housing without having the City Engineer address the 2015 issues of scarce water, and traffic congestion???   

 

 

 



#168 maestro

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Posted 05 March 2015 - 02:02 PM

1.  Public Notice  14 -273

      (negative declaration of impact, of course) for

  116  units of housing at 1680 E. Natoma Street.    No mention of water availability.

 

 

2.  Public Notice 14-375  

63 housing units SW corner of E. Natoma and Golf Links Drive.  

    Neg. dec of course, but no mention of water.

 

 

3.   PN 14-351    31,668  sq. ft.  Maijid Bilal (Islam community center)   at 501 Levy Rd.    It has 2014 notice, but notice states all the environmental studies were done in 2003   -- neg dec of course.

      A lot has changed at this location and Intel employees have a difficult commute, especially with the Manufacturing Zoning becoming Low Income Housing.    

This large center is across from the public financed housing.

 

 

How can the city council continue to rezone and develop  housing without having the City Engineer address the 2015 issues of scarce water, and traffic congestion???   

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Islamic Center is actually PN 2003-572 --   it was "studied" by the city a dozen years ago, before the public housing was built on narrow Sibley St.      Traffic is terrible for Intel employees, residents, Folsom High Schools students and parents, and people going to Highway 50 at Prairie City.

 

It was also neg-dec'd long before we learned the city has allocated about FOUR TIMES its Water Forum Agreement allotment of water during drought.

 

 

Water is the defining issue for 2015, and this council/Mayor are not acting as if they 'get it.'



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Posted 06 March 2015 - 08:13 AM

Wait for it, the naysayers will be along soon.....

 

 

Our city council is the greatest, they've done so much for us!

I've always wanted to live in another city just like Elk Grove, thanks Folsom City Council!

You're the bestest! (sarcasm set to high)


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#170 maestro

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Posted 06 March 2015 - 12:05 PM

Wait for it, the naysayers will be along soon.....

 

 

Our city council is the greatest, they've done so much for us!

I've always wanted to live in another city just like Elk Grove, thanks Folsom City Council!

You're the bestest! (sarcasm set to high)

 

 

In terms of Engineers and Public Works oversight, both Elk Grove and Roseville are very much on track.     Roseville is especially vigilant about water issues.

 

Hate to mention this, but the city council March 10 agenda just arrived.    The council is creating more north of highway 50 bonded indebtedness upon the city for the sake of the development on Parkshore Dr.       You'd think the developer would be expected to construct all the Public Works infrastructure and dedicate the finished product to the city (after the City Engineer approved it all).     That is NOT HAPPENING.     

 

This council is hitting us hard in the pocket, in the public debt borrowing, and by losing so many many businesses with their unpredictable methods.      Go to Parkshore area and look at all the deserted offices, and the budding (but very weird) sewage system the city is constructing there.    It's on 4sewerdogs channel at Youtube as well.

 

 

 

 

 

QUESTION FOR THE GOV:    The Public Notice for the new EMERGENCY WATER ACTION is posted.    Clearly we are headed for a frightening summer, autumn 2015.     Question is this:   WHY doesn't the city of Folsom have to answer for continuing to build and build -- when the city is always MASSIVELY in EXCESS of its Water Forum "water right" allotment????

 

 

TELEGRAPH Wed. had a fantastic letter written by Folsom Mom Cindy Flaherty.    She obviously has a lot of love for her children and concern for FFD firefighter Eric Williams.    Both her son and Eric were terribly injured on Folsom's "claim to fame = its trail system."    There are other letter from residents worried about transients at the shopping malls.    The Telegraph is a great place to air the many grievances.

 

One last update on the COFUM video, showing the city stealing water from LNS Subdivision and diverting a water pipe to the unsubdivided 20 acre Folsom Industrial Zone:    the "COFUM department" was invented by a city maintenance/water worker.     The work was done WITHOUT any Public Works Dept oversight and NO CITY ENGINEER-sealed&Approved blueprints for the un-subdivided land.       It's water theft project invented by the L&L manager -- but it is a direct violation of Subdivision law, and Prop 218, and the Mello Roos L&L regulations.     This place is in total disarray.

 



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Posted 10 March 2015 - 09:14 PM

"...and a once great city with rolling hills and green spaces finds itself indistinguishable from any other town - every available inch of land covered..."
 

Truthseeker (aka The Man Who Should be Mayor of Folsom),
 

You've made many excellent points so I'll pick just one.  
 

Agreed, the attributes that make Folsom unique are diminishing by the month as residential and commercial developments fill the City's plans to cover the rolling hills and green spaces.

While there are many necessary efforts by various citizens to keep our city vibrant and a great place to live, holding on to ANY tangible cultural resources is a must at this point. 

 

After all, the City Council, City management, et al, believed at one point that Folsom's history was important to hold on to and leveraged it to promote tourism.
 
While we currently reap the benefits of their forethought, the next couple of decades will be reaping the benefits or burden of the choices made now.  It's going to take all of us to turn this boat around.    
 



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Posted 11 March 2015 - 06:32 AM

"...and a once great city with rolling hills and green spaces finds itself indistinguishable from any other town - every available inch of land covered..."
 

Truthseeker (aka The Man Who Should be Mayor of Folsom),
 

You've made many excellent points so I'll pick just one.  
 

Agreed, the attributes that make Folsom unique are diminishing by the month as residential and commercial developments fill the City's plans to cover the rolling hills and green spaces.

While there are many necessary efforts by various citizens to keep our city vibrant and a great place to live, holding on to ANY tangible cultural resources is a must at this point. 

 

After all, the City Council, City management, et al, believed at one point that Folsom's history was important to hold on to and leveraged it to promote tourism.
 
While we currently reap the benefits of their forethought, the next couple of decades will be reaping the benefits or burden of the choices made now.  It's going to take all of us to turn this boat around.    
 

 

Hi, just wanted to clarify, that quote was by Chad Vanderveen who ran for City Council this past election. He is a very smart guy and genuinely cares about the future of Folsom. 


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Posted 11 March 2015 - 02:22 PM

Not to say the city council is mightily confused, but their own laws and resolutions contradict themselves.    The city council says we have to sit and watch as they ship our American River water to the South of Highway 50 Area for more housing.     However, they themselves passed rules which state that CANNOT happen because LAFCO approved the city's Sphere of Influence over S50 based upon the city's first finding the brand new water supply -- unrelated to North of Highway 50.        In fact the council legislated Addenda to the EIR, prohibiting any touching of the north of Highway 50 water supply and infrastructure.     9096, 9097

 

It's just one more nail in the coffin.

 Here's the precise quotation from the city council Action affirming our water does NOT go to south of Highway 50 -- or else annexation cannot occur legally.    In their own court action and words, the council made it certain the water deal had to be cooked PRIOR to LAFCO approving the Sphere of Influence and future Annexation.    Subsequent deceit is not real water.

 

 

"Res.  Dec. 7, 2012,  ADDENDUM to   EIR for FPA S50 Water Supply (an agreement between city of Folsom and FPA landowners for a water supply and its financing, and authorizing a FILING  of an Action to Validate the Agreement.)

   "Section 7.08 Local control of Land South of Highway 50, of the City Charter and commonly referred to as Measure W, provides "the city council shall take the following actions prior to the Approval by the Local Agency Formation Commission of the annexation of any of the area bounded by Highway 50, White Rock Road, Prairie City Road, and the El Dorado County Line, hereafter referred to as "the area."

 

  A. Water Supply.  Identify and secure the source of water supply(ies) to serve the Area.   The new water supply shall not cause a reduction of water supplies designated to serve existing water users north of Highway 50 and the new water supply shall not be paid for by Folsom residents north of Highway 50."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



#174 JohhnyCash

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 04:33 PM

Without having ANYTHING to back this up.....

 

I'd venture a guess that 90% of Folsom is new in the last 15 years.

Equally 90% of the residents are immigrants in the last 15 years.

Basically, the whole town is built on recent growth.

 

It seems a little "off" to see a bunch of new immigrants complaining about new growth.  

 

JC



#175 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 12 March 2015 - 06:52 PM

JC,

 

Your numbers and your judgemental comments towards others are way off!

 

20 years ago Folsom had a population of about 25,000 with plans to grow to about 69,000. Many families who were here more than 20 years ago, raised their children here and they are now adults with families living in town. Some of our growth has been internally grown.  

 

Wether one has been here for 25 years or moved here last week, each person has a right and in my opinion an obligation to defend their quality of life! This council sure isn't going to do it!

 

What has most people concerned and/or upset is the changing of the plan that people who moved here bought into. For the most part is the constant Approval of rezones by the Council without mitigating the existing residents concerns, the erosion of the standards that people bought into and basically giving the developers everything they want at lower of quality of life for the existing residents.

 

Ive been asking this question for years now, maybe you can be the first to answer it? Name a project that has been developed under this council's regime that paid for 100% of its impacts?

 

The whole S50 has been a farce with one misleading statement after another by this council!

 

Ive said time and time again, that Growth done right, can bring benefits to the community! Its NOT being done right and that's being expressed by comments.by members on here.

 

I think its in pretty poor taste on your part, to come on here chastising others, who have been around a longer than you, all the while you being anonymous!

 

Eventually, the truth will come out and you and all your aliases will exposed!



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 09:29 AM

As much as I agree that s50 should not be built in-right now....

I also kind of am thinking that the whole idea of worrying about intel employees traffic congestion at their entrance/exit is sort of...stupid.

 

No, Im not calling anyone anyone here stupid. i just couldn't find a better word to describe what we are doing here. Intel is filled with smart people. They are perfectly capable and wealthy enough--to have bought the land adjacent to their structure and put a parking structure there. It would have been a great location as it is on a corner at an intersection. There would have been multiple routes for egress/ making the location a hub for area. 

 

Further, they could have shown a bit of class by building the parking structure and adding a bit of culture and art to the area by hiring a decent architect -preferably with a penchant for including local art and and keeping consumerism local with nice add-ons-like security personnel and janitorial staff/ perhaps even a nice coffee shop in the lot.

 

uhhh-where was I? 

Oh, right... Intel and traffic.... Ha ha ha ha hah aaaa



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 12:48 PM

"Hard to believe this is happening" category of water in Folsom.

Looks like the council is about to borrow $8 million off our credit, for a pipeline to steal our water or keep the city afloat.... whatever .... who knows because there is NO City Engineer certified Report.   

 

 
Re:   Willow Hill Pipeline Special Tax Levy Res. 9504, 9503
 
Notice of Public Hearing city council meeting March 24, 2015:
re formation of Community Facilities District No. 17 Willow Hill Pipeline to south of Highway 50 vacant lands.  (new Folsom "CFD" not Mello Roos CSD)  and Levying of Special Taxes therein.
 
Feb. 10 2015, the "city" duly adopted its Res. 9503 (Res of Intention) wherein it declared intention to form a cfd , and to levy a special tax within cfd 17 and to pay the costs of certain public facilities, including... water facilities (distribution mains and appurtenances, but not fees for the Facilities such as community services fees, development impact fees, dev. processing fees, school fees, sewer connection fees, water connection fees, drainage fees, traffic mitigation fees, or other city fees related to the Facilities, and Res. 9504 declaring necessity for Incurring Bonded Indebtedness wherein it declared its intention to incur bonded indebtedness , not to exceed eight million dollars to finance the acquisition and construction of the Facilities within cfrd 17 under and pursuant to terms of Mello Roos act of 1982, Chap 2.5 Pt. 1 Div. 2 Title 5 of CA Gov Code.
 
As a resident, I object to the city incurring bonded indebtedness for the purpose of constructing a water pipeline to convey Folsom Reservoir American River water to south of Highway 50 lands in question.
 
Why construct such a pipeline when the city has no legal right to convey American River water to the FPA or any south of Highway 50 lands for new development?    Is this about taxation, whether there is a need for a S50 Pipeline or not?
 

As if that is not enough, the Notice of Public Hearing is NOT Approved by the City Engineer, to ensure accuracy of COSTS, necessary taxation rate, availability of WATER to be transported in said pipeline, and valid legal reasons for taxing for WATER PIPELINE when the city lacks a separate water supply for this land, and to certify the exact parcels of property which are subject to the tax.    

 

The Parcel information was checked with Sacramento County records, confirming not all of the itemized Parcel Numbers are valid.    Another reason the city CFO cannot by himself certify borrowing for public works infrastructure and water which does not exist.

 

Here is the Folsom "Finance of public works law" which you cite for this new Pipeline and taxation:

 

1.01(B) of the Folsom City Charter, which grants the city the authority to make and enforce all ordinances and regulations in respect to municipal affairs, subject only to restrictions and limitations provided in the City Charter. (Ord. 1179 § 2 (part), 2013)
 
3.110.080 may be conducted pursuant to this chapter whether or not provided in any state law.

 

 

 



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Posted 13 March 2015 - 02:11 PM

Without having ANYTHING to back this up.....

 

I'd venture a guess that 90% of Folsom is new in the last 15 years.

Equally 90% of the residents are immigrants in the last 15 years.

Basically, the whole town is built on recent growth.

 

It seems a little "off" to see a bunch of new immigrants complaining about new growth.  

 

JC

Your venture to guess would be very wrong.


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#179 JohhnyCash

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Posted 14 March 2015 - 12:22 PM

My longevity has zero impact on my importance. If you claim that my viewpoint is less valid because I am new then an equal claim can be made that your viewpoint is less valid because you are old and stale.  Right?  Or maybe we shouldn't classify each other as more or less valid than each other?

 

I'm only a 10 year resident which makes me part of the new growth does it not?  Does this make me a second class citizen because I was not born and raised here?  What is the correct time span for me to have lived here to gain equal status?  What about the large number of 5 year citizens?

 

My point is that it feels like complaining about growth in the way it is done here is quite divisive.

 

JC



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Posted 14 March 2015 - 05:01 PM

So JC, being new you're already willing to let out city go to hell, just because?

You should change your ID, you are shaming the good name of JC with your pro-growth guesses, accusations and comments.

By any chance are you good buddies with Kerrie Howell?

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