328 replies to this topic

[mylo]

I know that the arrest is a prerequisite.

How many avocados is the prerequisite for arrest?

[jafount]

I know that the arrest is a prerequisite. I have no idea why are you arguing this with me because I already sent you the KCRC video of the police Lt *SAYING* the officer was arrested. You are starting to bore me.
I have no idea if an officer saw the crime committed or if a warrant was issued, and I don't care. Again, I don't know what the basis is for your assertion that no officer saw it or there was no warrant.
-Robert

I'm boring you because you have no idea what you're talking about. I said PIO's simplify things so stupid people can try to understand them.

This whole thing is a witch hunt and you're right there with the torch and pitch fork.

You're smarter than everyone else AND without sin. Wait...are you Jesus? Must be.

[jafount]

How many avocados is the prerequisite for arrest?

in or out of an officers presence?

[mylo]

in or out of an officers presence?

Let's assume out, since that's the most likely scenario with the Malabar grease theft.

Say I'm an avocado distributor, and someone stole 744 avocados from my pickup facility. Would that qualify for arrest? Of course, it's not illegal to transport avocados like it is grease, but ignoring that charge, is that illegal? Arrestable? Terminable?

[Robert Gary]

I'm boring you because you have no idea what you're talking about. I said PIO's simplify things so stupid people can try to understand them.

I’m not sure if you are being stubborn or what. The Folsom PD Lt said they were arrested and released. I do not understand why you so adamantly believe he couldn't possibly be arrested. I think you are really grasping for straws. I have no idea if an officer saw the crime or if a warrant was issued and I really don't care. All I know is that he must first be arrested, which he was. Maybe a street cop can't process this type of arrest and the Lt. did it. I really don't know or don't care what the PD's paperwork process is in this regard.

-Robert

[Robert Gary]

Let's assume out, since that's the most likely scenario with the Malabar grease theft.

Say I'm an avocado distributor, and someone stole 744 avocados from my pickup facility. Would that qualify for arrest? Of course, it's not illegal to transport avocados like it is grease, but ignoring that charge, is that illegal? Arrestable? Terminable?

I guess some believe that once you get a badge you can just walk around town taking candy bars, avocados or grease anytime you want to because taking action against an officer for such a thing could hurt his career.


-Robert

[jafount]

Let's assume out, since that's the most likely scenario with the Malabar grease theft.

Say I'm an avocado distributor, and someone stole 744 avocados from my pickup facility. Would that qualify for arrest? Of course, it's not illegal to transport avocados like it is grease, but ignoring that charge, is that illegal? Arrestable? Terminable?

If the retail value taken is more than $100.00 it's a felony. This means the person can be arrested regardless of whether an officer witnessed the act. By contrast, getting the urge to pocket the iPod from Target while walking through the store, is only a misdemeanor, which would result in a cite and release OR a simple report sent to the DA for review.

Likewise, carrying nunchucks is a felony, while carrying a concealed firearm is a misdemeanor.

I'm glad you asked because here's why I bring it up. Laws on the books sometimes lack reason and parity. For example, the "illegal transportation" of used grease being a misdemeanor. I mean, how many people fry turkeys at Thanksgiving these days? Do you realize if you were to bottle up your used grease and take it to a recycler, you're guilty of a misdemeanor too?

What I'm saying here is the punishment should fit the crime. In this case, the transport crime wasn't well researched, as there is an exception in the penal code that allows officers to transport grease. Additionally, there is no provision that excepts this exemption to "course of normal duties". This guy shouldn't lose his job. Should he be reprimanded? Yep. Should he get time off without pay? Probably. Should he be demoted or fired? Hell no, *unless* this is a recurring incident. If so, I'd say it's a lost cause.

[jafount]

I guess some believe that once you get a badge you can just walk around town taking candy bars, avocados or grease anytime you want to because taking action against an officer for such a thing could hurt his career.
-Robert

Once again, I never said this. If you propose otherwise, in addition to being incapable of understanding and unwilling to accept the procedure of CALIFORNIA STATE LAW (not Folsom PD paperwork). An Lt. cannot supersede state law unilaterally. To do otherwise, would jeopardize the validity of a case.

You keep saying you "know a person must first be arrested" but this only proves your ignorance and that you don't know what you don't know.

[Robert Gary]

Once again, I never said this. If you propose otherwise, in addition to being incapable of understanding and unwilling to accept the procedure of CALIFORNIA STATE LAW (not Folsom PD paperwork). An Lt. cannot supersede state law unilaterally. To do otherwise, would jeopardize the validity of a case.

You keep saying you "know a person must first be arrested" but this only proves your ignorance and that you don't know what you don't know.

So have you called the Police Lt and told him he made the arrest in error?

-Robert

[Robert Gary]

What I'm saying here is the punishment should fit the crime. In this case, the transport crime wasn't well researched, as there is an exception in the penal code that allows officers to transport grease.

Is there also an exception in the penal code that allows him to steal things?

-Robert

[pet lover]

I don't know John L really well, but I have talked to his wife at church many times. I am really hoping this is an error because he is a really good man. If it turns out the crime stated is true then I think the same punishment should be given to him that a civilian would receive. We live in a fallen world and people are going to make mistakes (sin.) Who are we to say what sin is worse...murder or stealing. In God's eyes they are the same. Who here, posting on this thread, haven't broken a law? If you have, have you turned yourself in???

[ChipShot]

Who here, posting on this thread, haven't broken a law? If you have, have you turned yourself in???

When cops knowingly break serious laws they're entrusted to uphold, you gotta get tough with them and not coddle them and make excuses for them.

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[Dave Burrell]

When cops knowingly break serious laws they're entrusted to uphold, you gotta get tough with them and not coddle them and make excuses for them.

taking grease is now a serious crime?

oh boy wait til you see what your local politicians are doing.... but yet you coddle them and make excuses for them and continue to vote for them....

It's clear now, you do not like cops

[ChipShot]

taking grease is now a serious crime?

oh boy wait til you see what your local politicians are doing.... but yet you coddle them and make excuses for them and continue to vote for them....

It's clear now, you do not like cops

Theft is a serious crime, cowboy...especially when perpetrated by a cop!!!

Zero-tolerance. If you can't handle zero-tolerance, don't become a cop (or don't steal things that aren't yours....or don't get caught red-handed)).

[Dave Burrell]

Theft is a serious crime, cowboy...especially when perpetrated by a cop!!!

Zero-tolerance. If you can't handle zero-tolerance, don't become a cop (or don't steal things that aren't yours....or don't get caught red-handed)).

gawd I'd like to see zero tolerance applied to politicians

but then again, our capital would probably be empty if we did that