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[Bill Z]

And this experience you speak of, clearly he didnt stick around long enough to learn about the SWAT team and what they do. Read his post, read the link. I'd think a "respectable ex officer, and respected forum member" would know more than that. But I guess all you have to do is be proud of your love for FPD to earn the "respected" title around here.. Facts arent really that important are they bill?

I wouldn't say I have a "love" for the FPD. In fact, I'm quite skeptical of law enforcement and actually almost anything associated with government, but I have had my share of dealings with the FPD, and in general, I would say that my experiences with them have always been with them being very professional. Since living here, twice I've been pulled over, once I was given a warning that my vehicle needed better tire coverings, but they didn't issue a fix-it ticket, so I added mudflaps and fender extensions to comply with the law, and the other time, I was pulled over under suspicion of drunk driving but as I was stone cold sober, the officer let me go on my way after checking for warrants

[Folsomdad]

And just to clear up a few more of your innaccuracies.. Most forms of security (mall cops, bouncers, crossing guards, the plainclothes guard at nordstrom etc) are referred to as "Peace Officers" and are considered "law enforcement" if the complaint ever goes to court. They have different tools or weapons, and most have the authority to capture and detain any supsect if needed.. And no this is not, nor did I ever say it was my occupation. I worked as a bouncer at a few places after college and factory outlet security for a brief time.. In no way am I a Police officer nor do I pretend to be.. I just clearly know more on the subject than Jafount and wanterd to clean up a few of his rambling innaccurate statements..

Way off base Darryl...unless specifically designated, security guards are not peace officers and are not considered law enforcement at court. A lifeguard at the local swimming pool has more authority then a security guard and is recognized as a peace officer.

Do you just make stuff up as you go along?

[old soldier]

Way off base Darryl...unless specifically designated, security guards are not peace officers and are not considered law enforcement at court. A lifeguard at the local swimming pool has more authority then a security guard and is recognized as a peace officer.

Do you just make stuff up as you go along?

I was just wondering what a security guard would do if a knife was involved cause a lot are not armed. I am going to wait and see if the family gets attorneys invoved and that will be when a story will come out if there is one. I like how this old thread is getting fiesty

back in the cowboy days, roy rogers, gene autry or hopalong cassidy would have shot the knife out of the crazy persons hand

[ducky]

I was just wondering what a security guard would do if a knife was involved cause a lot are not armed. I am going to wait and see if the family gets attorneys invoved and that will be when a story will come out if there is one. I like how this old thread is getting fiesty

back in the cowboy days, roy rogers, gene autry or hopalong cassidy would have shot the knife out of the crazy persons hand

That only works in the movies, Old Soldier.

[folsombound]

Wow,, talk about making up stuff as you go along! A Security Guard is NOT a Peace Officer. Below is the Wikipedia definition of a Law Enforcement Officer/Peace Officer.

"A law enforcement officer (also called peace officer), in North America, is any public-sector or authorized, government-contracted private-police officer, charged with upholding the peace, mainly police officers, customs officers, correctional officers, probation officers, parole officers, auxiliary officers, and sheriffs or marshals and their deputies. A security guard, however, is generally not referred to as a law enforcement officer.

Modern legal codes use the term peace officer (or in some jurisdictions, law enforcement officer) to include every person vested by the legislating state with law-enforcement authority—traditionally, anyone "sworn, badged, and armable" but, basically, who can arrest, or refer such arrest for a criminal prosecution. Hence, city police officers, county sheriffs' deputies, and state troopers are usually vested with the same authority within a given jurisdiction.

Jurisdictions may restrict the powers granted to those who have "peace-officer status" instead of "police-officer status". For example, in New York, all New York State Court Officers,[1] as well as Court clerks,[2] assigned to the 1st and 2nd Judicial Departments are classified as peace officers who can carry a firearm both on and off duty."

Jafount has had a career of some length in law enforcement and I believe his comments are accurate. Off-the-wall comments by some disaffected wanabe Cop ex-Security Guard/Bouncer are not very credible. DD, you need to check your facts and check your emotions at the door!

[The Average Joe]

Hey DD...way to go out with a bang....blocked, reported and done with you...whatever will you do with no audience now? I pity you and your pathetic cries for attention.
Good riddance...

[Bill Z]

Hey DD...way to go out with a bang....blocked, reported and done with you...whatever will you do with no audience now? I pity you and your pathetic cries for attention.
Good riddance...

I reported him as well, I'm looking forward to when a moderator sees this and clears this garbage off the forum.

anyone who resorts to this kind of slander, well personally, I prefer to not say what i would like to see done to him.

[ducky]

Way off base Darryl...unless specifically designated, security guards are not peace officers and are not considered law enforcement at court. A lifeguard at the local swimming pool has more authority then a security guard and is recognized as a peace officer.

Do you just make stuff up as you go along?

Ditto. While some actual peace officers may moonlight or provide security services for private firms after retirement, just being a security guard alone does not make one a peace officer in and of itself. If the security guard is an off-duty police officer, they still need a special BSIS permit to carry while working private security.

http://www.bsis.ca.g...ubs/guardgd.pdf

[Folsomdad]

I was just wondering what a security guard would do if a knife was involved cause a lot are not armed. I am going to wait and see if the family gets attorneys invoved and that will be when a story will come out if there is one. I like how this old thread is getting fiesty

back in the cowboy days, roy rogers, gene autry or hopalong cassidy would have shot the knife out of the crazy persons hand

Security Guards are basically civilians in uniforms...

[folsombound]

Shoot, I missed all the excitement! Oh well, Darryl probably called me some names too.

[Folsomdad]

Shoot, I missed all the excitement! Oh well, Darryl probably called me some names too.

I missed it too....! I don't think i'm at the top of his favorites list.

[golive]

Seems like tools like pepper ball guns or high pressure pepper spray cans are not around to use. Some of those cans can shoot a good distance. It seems as if when you put a camera on situations the outcome has a tendency to come out positive a greater percentage of the time. In addition if situations were recorded all of this debate would be mute. I have been downtown and in just talking to a pd did notice a slight entitlement of power on their end. There is a clear difference between a younger force and an older force. I'm not implying with all but some have seem to forgotten the words public servant. All in all I think they are doing their best maybe a few more dollars need to be spent on fine tuning. my 2cents

[golive]

Here's another cent to add to the 2 already given. If Folsom can afford to have a armored personal carrier and a mobile command center maybe a slug gun (shoots a wooden slug) or a bean bag gun (both non fatal tools) should be available for ready use.

[Darthvader]

Here's another cent to add to the 2 already given. If Folsom can afford to have a armored personal carrier and a mobile command center maybe a slug gun (shoots a wooden slug) or a bean bag gun (both non fatal tools) should be available for ready use.

The only time I've ever seen that Armored car being used is for photo ops at the Easter Egg hunt, etc. Seems like a bit of over-kill for Folsom.

[golive]

The only time I've ever seen that Armored car being used is for photo ops at the Easter Egg hunt, etc. Seems like a bit of over-kill for Folsom.

lol ya maybe but we do have a prison in town so I can understand, but hey it can used for other things as well (command center for this situation) It will keep the cylinders lubed for longer engine life

It seems as if other cities use them for this type of incident watch Dallas swat or Detroit swat seen it a few times