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[apeman45]

Wow so much interest over some novelty items. I wish the new library, speeding on our streets or drug use of our youth generated so much interest. You can't legislate morality. Chill out or move to Stepford.

I wish the new owners of this shop good luck. I will not sentence them to moral heck without all the facts, Give them a chance.

Some of you may think it would be best to run them out of town and out of our backyards to the seedy parts of Rancho or downtown. Well those stores already exist and the good people of Folsom already have to commute there for their smut. I'm sure their business model shows that they are not competing with those shops and they are trying hard to make a buck legally and respectfully while fitting into the old Folsom business (or is it lack of business) plan. My hat's off to anyone trying to make a go of it in old Folsom.

Hope their business stays erect in this hard and long depressed economy.

[Snickers]

Hope their business stays erect in this hard and long depressed economy.

LOL

There goes that CAMPAIGN! LOL

[Hilscher1]

Ok so lets think about it like this.. (sorry if some of this is already talked about i didnt read the last 3 pages of replys.) You go into a liquor store to buy a soda, smokes, food whatever and theres porn. No problem there for most people. You go into a mall and theres a fedricks of hollywood with pictures of very scantly clad women or victorias secret for that matter as well. What about even Abercrombie and Fitch Have you seen the pictures they have throughout their stores??? Im sure that when our mall opens in Folsom we will have at least 2 of the 3 stores i just mentioned and no one is complaining about them. I just dont see what is wrong with putting in a lingerie store on a street that already has what 5 or 6 bars. (One at least every half a block.) Sutter street has turned into a very boring place since i was younger it seems like stores come and go very quickly now a days. I just cant see it being much worse to have your kids walk down Sutter Street with you and by this lingerie shop than it would be to walk by Fredricks or to have your children even watch and tv show on after 8 oclock. If you think this store is bad just go to blockbuster and rent either the new Leisure Suit Larry Game or The Guy Game. Nobody in folsom is in an uproar over those and they are much more accesible to your children then the back room of the lingerie shop will be. (which the owner has promised not to have anything that could be even consdered hardcore. MOstly i would assume dirty board games and adult themed gag gifts.)
Sorry for just blabering on but i just dont see how this can be such a bad thing maybe Folsom needs to become a little edgier, it seems all we get now are big box stores things like this should be welcomed especially on Sutter Street.

[jamison]

Seems to me that all you people need to actually go down to Sutter... there ALREADY is an adult store there... you could say that if there was such an issue with this type of store the one that is already there would be closed down by now...

For all you who visit old Folsom, do you go into those bars or antique stores, no... you don't go into them because it's not what you're there for or what you’re in to... same thing for other shops... if you don't want to patronize these shops, don't... but don't ruin something for someone else just because your preferences differ…

[Bree1011]

"I don't have time to go talk to everyone opening a store in town, so I rely on other community members to help spread information."

AHA! Therein lies the problem! We are relying on the info we're getting from people who are opposed to this shop. I went there today, to find out for myself.

I had lunch at Hacienda (fajita chicken salad, which I'd rate a 5), and walked down to check out Ms. Teaz, the new lingerie shop afterward.

I was pleased to meet meet some members of the Dufour family; Sam, his wife Misty, and mother Judy. They were busy painting and sprucing up their new store.

Sam proudly and eagerly showed me the floor plan and gave me a tour.

The Dufour's are opening (actually already opened) a shop specializing in high end lingerie and corsets, also selling shoes and jewelry. They will have a room in the back, where they will sell novelty items, such as lotions, games, and toys. I guess I could best compare it to a miniature version of Evangeline's, without the Halloween costumes.

They are keeping the victorian feel of the space, bringing in Judy's English antique armoires and displays, along with conventional displays from Nordstrom.

In the back of the store, there is a small room with a latching gate, which will be marked '18 and over'. Behind the gate will be a curtain. Inside will be the adult novelties and such.

Sam explained that he worked and saved his money, and recently left his job to open this store. He is a family guy, raising a 10 year old step-daughter, and had this dream of opening a store that would be successful, respected by the community, bring life back to Sutter Street, and make money, too. 

He and his family have been working hard planning, painting, getting organized, and getting involved in the communtiy. He was welcomed by the Chamber of Commerce, and has a ribbon-cutting scheduled, I believe, for Nov. 4.

His target market is adult citizens of Folsom, El Dorado Hills and vicinity, along with tourists coming to Sutter Street. 

You can feel his honesty and passion for this most American of dreams.

Imagine his shock when he comes home from a lingerie convention to find that there are people in the community up in arms about his opening, claiming that he'll be having be a dirty smut peddler, selling x-rated videos, having peep shows, and attracting perverts from far and wide.

I really feel for this family. Sam seems like a normal family guy, thought he was doing a good thing, has the support of his family, and thought he had the support of merchants and his community.

I think we need to give them a chance, and not condemn them before they even get their business going. Sam invites curious citizens (and customers) to come down and take a look. He'll be glad to show you everything he's ordered and give you a tour of the place.

I think we ought to be ashamed of ourselves if we continue to conduct a witch hunt and prevent an honest family from opening a legitimate business on Sutter Street.

As my screenname implies, my name is Steve and I am a dad. I have 2 daughters, ages 11 and 16 whom I love, educate, support and protect. I would not keep them from going in this shop to see what it's about.

Please give them a chance. If you don't want to buy what they sell, don't, but don't burn them at the stake, either. With a little luck, Ms. Teaz will become a trusted and respected business for years to come.

Sam, Misty, and Judy, if you're reading this, welcome to Folsom, and good luck.

[Bree1011]

Steve:
  Let me first start by saying thank you!! Thank you for taking the time to go and personally speak to the owners of Ms. Teaz. I say thank you all the way from Arizona because Misty is my "Amazing" Sister and her 11 year old daughter my beautiful neice, And Sam and Judy my family as well. I only wish more of the people participating in this message board or in your local community would make the same effort you have.
I speak to my sister and her family daily, And I can not believe the things that are being said, and the very very poor way this wonderful family is being treated by such a large amount of the community.  As if it isn't hard enough to venture out and open your own business. It is very unfortunate that people are so openly degrading my family without knowing the facts. All of these "locals" are putting time and effort into an online chat board... How about taking the time to get to know my family and see that even though some very hurtful things have been said about them, they are not giving up and they will welcome you all with open arms and an amazing feeling of family, and friendship!! I will personally be there to support and help my family with the grand opening of Ms.Teaz and I couldn't be more excited and happy for my family. Hopefully some of you can open your minds and learn to be accepting of change. Realize this will help the economy of your community.
Steve, thank you again for supporting my family and for the very kind words below. We hope to see you at the ribbon cutting.

[bishmasterb]

Good luck to you guys on your new venture, and as I'm sure you know, don't let a bunch of people in a chat room dissuade you from your goals and dreams. I wish you success in your new business.

[Cloud9]

Ditto! How much for a crate of sex toys?

[cybertrano]

I heard quite a bit in this thread topic of the blame on morality, christianity, witch hunt, etc. It's not so cool it.

It's about our legitimate concern of community members who care.

If the store will sell lingeries then be it. No issue.

Wow so much interest over some novelty items.  I wish the new library, speeding on our streets or drug use of our youth generated so much interest.  You can't legislate morality.  Chill out or move to Stepford.

I wish the new owners of this shop good luck.  I will not sentence them to moral heck without all the facts,  Give them a chance. 

Some of you may think it would be best to run them out of town and out of our backyards to the seedy parts of Rancho or downtown.  Well those stores already exist and the good people of Folsom already have to commute there for their smut.  I'm sure their business model shows that they are not competing with those shops and they are trying hard to make a buck legally and respectfully while fitting into the old Folsom business (or is it lack of business) plan.  My hat's off to anyone trying to make a go of it in old Folsom. 

Hope their business stays erect in this hard and long depressed economy.

[forumreader]

...You go into a liquor store to buy a soda, smokes, food whatever and theres porn....

...There is?!.....Do you mean that the run-of-the-mill liquor store in Folsom sells pornography?

If that is the case, I have a few questions:

Are there age restrictions on the sale of pornography and these other "adult" items that we've been discussing? You need to be 18 and 21 to buy tobacco and alcohol, correct? How old do you need to be to purchase these other items? Is the law, if it exists, enforced?

Does a business owner need a license to sell smut , like he needs a license to sell alcohol? Is he faced with license revocation or fines for selling these items to under-age kids?

What about age restrictions on selling videos? A 16-year-old is supposedly not permitted to view an R-rated movie at the theatre without a parent. Could that same 16-year-old rent an R-rated movie at Blockbuster? Could he buy it at a retail store, let's say Target?.......Would about about these X-rated videos?...How strictly are these laws enforced?

Now referring specifically to this lingerie shop on Sutter, I wonder how they plan on enforcing age-restriction laws (if they apply). It was mentioned that the smut would be kept in the back of the store in a section separated by a gate. Would the gate have a lock? Would a customer have to show ID to enter the back section of the store, or could an older-looking 16-year-old easily slip in?

Since we are not consumers of these items, I realize I haven't given much thought to age restriction issues. For example, we have our rules at home about movie viewing for our older son -- PG or an occasional PG-13 movie approved by us.

If anyone has the answers, I'd appreciate their post. (I'm a little leery to do a web search on "pornography laws" for fear of what unwanted material might pop-up on the screen.)

[1305newhouse]

Crikey! You people and your uninformed opinions. A mere rumor of a smut shop, triggered by the word "novelties" coupled with Lingerie (read sex clothes worn by whores selling themselves to our underaged virgin sons), and you are ready to stomp all over some poor schmuck trying to make a living. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Is this how you want to be treated? Do you want to be judged like a character in a Kafka novel? Have you seen the store in question? Or will your purity be contaminated by something new and different?

Folsom is on the beginning edge of a growth spurt. Our town can reflect true American values of individualism, freedom of choice, and integrity or it can be a sorry imitator of every other mall-ridden place on earth.

Newhouse

[bishmasterb]

forumreader,

You might very well be the most sheltered person on the face of the earth.

[FolsomJunior00]

I cant believe this is even being discussed at all. Who cares? if you dont like the store, then dont shop there. If you dont want your kids to go into that shop, then dont let them

I wish the best of luck to the family running the shop.

[Art4Sale]

...There is?!.....Do you mean that the run-of-the-mill liquor store in Folsom sells pornography?

If that is the case, I have a few questions:

Are there age restrictions on the sale of pornography and these other "adult" items that we've been discussing?  You need to be 18 and 21 to buy tobacco and alcohol, correct?  How old do you need to be to purchase these other items?  Is the law, if it exists, enforced?

Does a business owner need a license to sell smut , like he needs a license to sell alcohol?  Is he faced with license revocation or fines for selling these items to under-age kids?

What about age restrictions on selling videos?  A 16-year-old is supposedly not permitted to view an R-rated movie at the theatre without a parent.  Could that same 16-year-old rent an R-rated movie at Blockbuster?  Could he buy it at a retail store, let's say Target?.......Would about about these X-rated videos?...How strictly are these laws enforced?

Now referring specifically to this lingerie shop on Sutter, I wonder how they plan on enforcing age-restriction laws (if they apply).  It was mentioned that the smut would be kept in the back of the store in a section separated by a gate.  Would the gate have a lock?  Would a customer have to show ID to enter the back section of the store, or could an older-looking 16-year-old easily slip in?

Since we are not consumers of these items, I realize I haven't given much thought to age restriction issues.  For example, we have our rules at home about movie viewing for our older son --  PG or an occasional PG-13 movie approved by us. 

If anyone has the answers, I'd appreciate their post.  (I'm a little leery to do a web search on "pornography laws" for fear of what unwanted material might pop-up on the screen.)

I would imagine that the laws work the same way as tobacco and alcohol, and you can pick up an X-rated magazine like Playboy just about anywhere, your local supermarket, Borders, gas station, and so on.

If a 16yr old has a fake ID and looks 18 they'll probably be able to get their hands on it. More than likely 16yr olds see this type of material when they go over to a friends house whose parents have such magazines or movies. Not to mention high school students that bring magazines into school and others get to see it.

It would probably be easier for a 16yr old to get this type of material from older high school friends than trying to buy it at a store.

[bordercolliefan]

Some have expressed sentiments along the lines of, "It's a free country," "let the market take its course," etc. as a justification for why we must tolerate any type of business that wants to open up in our community. This is completely misguided -- and could eventually result in the kind of tacky, "anything goes" environments one sees in Tijuana or Hong Kong.

We don't have to be at the mercy of the market!! The whole point of living in a community is that we decide what kind of community we want to live in. If the vast majority of us don't want tatoo parlors, massage parlors, strip clubs, sex stores, etc., then we shouldn't have to have them -- regardless of whether there are a few people who might want these things and have the money to finance them.

In deciding what kinds of businesses we are willing to invite into our community, we should consider our moral values, what messages we want to send our children, what kind of visitors we want to attract to Folsom, our property values, etc. That's our perogative as citizens of Folsom.

Personally, I believe that an upscale lingerie shop with delicate nightgowns, camisoles, slips, etc. would be in keeping with the affluent, educated image Folsom should seek to project. A "sex shop" with cheap teddies, garters, sex toys, and pornography would not. You don't see this type of shop in Carmel, Nantucket, etc. -- why would we want one here?