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#181 BobbiMcGee

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:21 AM

QUOTE (davburr @ Jul 16 2010, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Parents should always hold off on allowing their teens get drivers licenses until they can prove they are responsible enough to deserve to drive, that starts with getting good grades at school, don't give a license to a kid who isn't at least getting C's or better (A's and B's preferred).

If they can't be responsible at school and get good grades, they sure as hell won't be responsible driving.

IMO, most teens shouldn't be allowed to drive until they are 18, most are too immature and irresponsible (as evidenced with this accident)

The problem around here is too many parents don't care, they have latch key kids, they throw money at their kid to get them out of their face, they let their kid get licensed, they buy them a fast car, pay their insurance etc, they teach zero about being responsible, they reward for failure...this teaches teens to be irresponsible - it all starts at home with what the parents teach and what they allow to happen.

Another important note - teens are not allowed to drive with any other passengers, that was just the first of many things these kids did that was wrong that night...


Better yet, kids shouldn't be allowed to drive until they can pay for a car and their own car insurance. And one incident of drinking and driving or texting and driving or talking on a cell phone and driving and they lose their license until they're 21. (or longer)

#182 doj_gal

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (supermom @ Jul 16 2010, 07:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Its an unbelievably ridiculous attempt to displace blame by comparing inattention of a cell phone user to driving drunk.


Let me ask this.

How many people who have been directly involved in a teen DUI crash, would feel ok about seeing legislation that all vehicles which drivers under a certain age (some say 25, some say 21 or 18) must have a vehicle lock out system breathalyzer?

Would you support that legislation?

Meaning, before your teen gets licensed and insured-a lockout must be installed?

What if the law encompasses all vehicles the child may have access to?

How far would you go to accept this equipment as a necessary lifesaver-like a seatbelt saves lives?

We know pictures and movies don't work.

We know they might sneak the keys after a parent falls asleep.

How far can a teen get when the car just doesn't start?


Statistics prove that there are more crashes due to inattentive driving than drunk drivers. I am not discounting DUI crashes. I just hate when people purely focus on DUI crashes when there are many more crashes and DUI ones are a tiny fraction. However, the DUI crashes are put all over the media because it causes people to get upset and watch their program or read their paper.

Those systems cost a lot of money to install and to operate monthly. I do not believe in punishing the general public for what a very small amount of population may have a problem with. I do like the idea of a code that would disable the car at night...just in case the teen would like to take the vehicle. However, if you are worried about your teen stealing your car, I fear there are many other problems you should be addressing.

Essentially in your argument, every car would have to have these since the trouble teens could steal the 87 year old woman's car from next door.

People need to put the fear of pain and the unknown in their children. I rebelled against my parents and they found creative ways to punish and mold my behavior. I just do not see many parents doing this anymore. A spanking will not harm your child if done for the proper reasons. People I fear are two things...lazy and fearful of punishing their children.

People will always make mistakes. Doesn't mean we stop educating them on the safety requirements when driving. Most schools have gotten rid of all extra programs like driver safety and assemblies that have guest speakers. Maybe people who feel extremely passionate about this problem, should volunteer with MADD and go to these schools and speak, free of charge, since schools cannot afford to do these programs.


QUOTE (davburr @ Jul 16 2010, 07:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Parents should always hold off on allowing their teens get drivers licenses until they can prove they are responsible enough to deserve to drive, that starts with getting good grades at school, don't give a license to a kid who isn't at least getting C's or better (A's and B's preferred).

If they can't be responsible at school and get good grades, they sure as hell won't be responsible driving.

IMO, most teens shouldn't be allowed to drive until they are 18, most are too immature and irresponsible (as evidenced with this accident)

The problem around here is too many parents don't care, they have latch key kids, they throw money at their kid to get them out of their face, they let their kid get licensed, they buy them a fast car, pay their insurance etc, they teach zero about being responsible, they reward for failure...this teaches teens to be irresponsible - it all starts at home with what the parents teach and what they allow to happen.

Another important note - teens are not allowed to drive with any other passengers, that was just the first of many things these kids did that was wrong that night...


+1000. I was unable to drive alone until I was 18. I was NEVER>>>>>allowed to take the car alone and definitely not to go hang out with friends. I would never and never took the car nor did I drive any of my friend’s cars. I was allowed to drive with my parents to every where we needed to go and practiced driving from 15-18. By the time my parents let me drive alone I was pretty good at it, just had a lead foot. I have gotten a few speeding tickets (always 5-12 over the speed limit). But what really made a difference with this last ticket was I did community service in lieu of fees. It totally changed my perspective on driving faster than I should...totally not worth it!!! Essentially, in order to change is has to be painful. I do not want to speed ever again. Those three days of community service, cleaning the most disgusting toilets with people missing their teeth, is still vivid in my mind....essentially burned a whole in the area of my brain that wants to drive fast~!

I got my license before the new laws, and even with stiffer laws for teens, it's not keeping them from getting into accidents.

Dave, your post indicates the biggest problem with our society. We do not take the time to teach responsibility. It's easy to just hand over the keys when you are too tired to drive your teen somewhere. It's easy to just trust that your teens know to never take the car without your knowledge. It's easy to not talk to your teens about driving other people's cars, especially after you have been drinking. Parents need to sit down with their children FREQUENTLY and make their expectations known. If your child starts to act up in any area...bad grades, disrespecting family members, slacking on chores, mis-behaving in school, not following family rules...you need to yank those keys away and buckle down on all freedoms. If your teen acts poorly in school and you continue to allow them to have a car, you are not teaching them that their lack in discipline in one area, affects all areas.

#183 supermom

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:16 AM

An interlock breathalyzer system can cost anywhere from $125-$350.

That is not expensive.

The cost of installation is - I have seen at $40- $150.

The cost in most state for court mandated monthly fee due to prior DUI runs around $75 a month. That includes reports that automatically go to a probation officer.

If you just want a student interlock system- reports, and reminders for for maintenance and annual recalibration- the costs are averaging $2.30 a day.

A lot less money spent on this than what a parent apends on an XBox and games for a year.....

The newer interlock systems that some car companies are toying with- are in the driver door handle, stickshift visor mirror and steering wheel.

These interlock systems are passive. They do not require the driver to be compliant. They merely test eye movement (the mirror) or alcohol content in the sweat (touch).

Those types of interlock systems are being tested in vehicles now-and will more than like be in new models within 2 years.

There are 4 car companies that are already placing interlock systems in all their vehicles at this time.
Lemme see; I believe they are GM, SAAB, Volvo and..uh, I don't remember the other.

This is certainly going to help reduce the amount of bloodshed, property destruction and death on American roadways.

And..to respond to ChrisV; for whatever really odd way that teens brains work-there has been a study performed...which found that most drunk teens, once they popped hot, were willing to call mom and dad, rather than try to ask someone to breathe for them.

Go figure. I guess they just need proof they are hot.

#184 doj_gal

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Posted 16 July 2010 - 11:42 AM

Well, I guess I must be poor because those prices are too high for me for an absolute non-issue of drinking and driving. If you need to check your alcohol level before getting into the car, that is an issue. Teens should not be driving if they plan to go out and drink and party.

#185 supermom

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Posted 17 July 2010 - 02:25 PM

http://www.prlog.org...r-services.html

Apparently--These kids may be some of the first--to be held to this new law.

And, this is why I don't agree with that last post of DojGal

We don't refuse to put seat belts in cars because we know we are going to follow all laws and drive the speed limit.

What about the valet?
What about the car dealership employee fixing the car?
What about the spouse? or the Kid?
The out of towner relative that is just going around the corner to get a gallon of milk?

Of coarse we all accept seat belts as saving lives these days-so we buckle up.

why can't we accept that even good people have bad judgement, and if an interlock system will refuse to start their car--it could be saving someone's life?


A study was done in 2003.

In that study I believe it was a cross section of PA, AZ and CA--

Drivers convicted of DUI had significant recidivism activity.
When placed into a mandated DUI Interlock System: the longer amount of time in the program--the less likely their rates of recidivism were.

It was something like 70% recidivism after the interlock was taken out of their car-after one year on the program.

and 9% recidivism after 3 years in the program.

another study--which you can look at-was done by the Ca DMV.

That program states that the greatest positive results in reducing recidivism for DUI crimes included 3 things.

1) court mandated probation and alcohol classes.
2) cognitive and moral therapy
3) interlock systems installed on all vehicles the person would have access to-in their homes--including a room mates or spouses.


But yeah, we should just ask the teens: hey you okay? Do you feel bad about what you did? Will you do it again? Is your mommy gonna take away your car keys?

By the way please dont drink and drive. Please tell others about your accident.

Nope---it's not working. Time to seriously look for another alternative.

And I think that any vehicle a teen has access to, should include this device.
And if mommy cant afford this device. I doubt she can afford the teens insurance.

Just saying......

#186 MikeinFolsom

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Posted 18 July 2010 - 06:51 AM

Why do

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#187 giasmom

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 05:07 PM

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#188 supermom

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Posted 20 July 2010 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (MikeinFolsom @ Jul 18 2010, 07:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why do

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Did you learn to type with a standard typewriiter? That whole...curved pinky striking the return button for the carriage.

The nightmares it gave me on timed tests in middle school electives class. Totally, 100% habit, all these years later. Probably reinforced tith the word processing classes my freshman and sophmore years, on the Mac.

Sheesh.....


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Posted 22 July 2010 - 02:40 PM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Jul 8 2010, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hillcrest is a gated community for custom homes with strict limintations on the smallest size home you can build on the lots. It's not a place the poor or your average middle class person can afford.


Did any of the kids live in Hillcrest? In case you haven't noticed, you don't need to live there to drive through the gate behind another car. The kids like to go up there on those empty streets and open hills and party. Kids don't usually party down the street from their own house.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 03:48 PM

Mom, just giving you a hard time.

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#191 olivia

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Posted 13 August 2010 - 03:17 PM

Does anyone have an update on how the 4 students are doing?

There may be an ongoing investigation as to some responsibility of adults who served alcohol to some of the students involved. Has anyone heard about this?




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