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[caligirlz]

At some point your employer had to get a permit to build or occupy the building and/or a license to operate the business. There had to be an approval of policies by the elected officials at some point for this to happen. There was MOST definitely political process to go through to allow this to happen. IF the community had elecetd people who were opposed to your business being here you wouldn't have the job you do.

To say politics had "NOTHING" to do why you are here is very inacurate indeed.

These examples show how people can't seem to understand how politics affect almost everything in our lives.

I don't think anyone is arguing that political decisions are made to develop any community.

HOWEVER, I don't believe that most people take into consideration "politics" when choosing a community to live in. For example, when I moved from Visalia to Sacramento, I knew that Sacto was much more liberal than Visalia. I wasn't pleased about it, but there were other reasons that were far more important than the politics, that led me to make the move. It turned out that it was the absolute best thing, and politics have never really been an issue, just an opportunity to meet & talk to people who are different than me. I would say that it has enriched my life.

So why is this such a big sticky point for you?

And shouldn't we really return to the original topic?

[Robert Giacometti]

HOWEVER, I don't believe that most people take into consideration "politics" when choosing a community to live in.

I agree with the above

I was simply trying to see if people EVER stop and revaluate their political philosophies by comparing them to the characteristics of the community they choose to live in. I was thinking this process might be used as a means test to see if people's actions truly match their core beliefs.

Generally people who are comfortable with their beliefs will be open to doing self appraisals, those who aren't typically lash out and attack those who ask the question.

I NEVER said "like should live with like", nor do I believe someone should change their beliefs "just to fit in".

I try to be respectful of the OP's title and intent. I'm far from perfect. More often than not topics take turns of all kinds and sometimes good insightful discussions follow from that turn. There was a purpose on whay I asked the question I did within this topic. I kinda thought there was an informal practice of having the OP police their own topics to keep them on track. If the OP is unhappy about anything, I'll graciously respect their wishes and stop. Everyone else has the option of responding to any posts within that thread or not responding.

Personally, I think it would be a shame if a topic evolved and we all missed out on an opportunity to gain insight from that evolution.

[caligirlz]

I was simply trying to see if people EVER stop and revaluate their political philosophies by comparing them to the characteristics of the community they choose to live in. I was thinking this process might be used as a means test to see if people's actions truly match their core beliefs.

Generally people who are comfortable with their beliefs will be open to doing self appraisals, those who aren't typically lash out and attack those who ask the question.

Personally, I think it would be a shame if a topic evolved and we all missed out on an opportunity to gain insight from that evolution.

I agree with what you are saying. I have to chuckle a little though, as Rich_T pointed out a ways up, it is his interpretation that this topic has gone on for 5 pages+ because we've veered off topic. I think the rabbit trails add to the richness of the discussion, too.

We may have more contribution to the topic from others if we returned to the topic, though.

[caligirlz]

Getting back to the topic (and I'm surprised that no one else has brought it up yet), but CRI and PJI are wanting to start an initiative drive to gain enough signatures (a little more than 500k) to overturn the law that Gov. Brown just signed:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2011/07/conservative-groups-repeal-law-teaching-contributions-gays.html

This article and video below explain why many people are against this law.

Parents of students in a California school district have been stunned by word that the school is allowing a man who works in the lunchroom to dress like a woman, wearing exposed bra straps and a spaghetti-strap top that would not be allowed for students.

And a law firm addressing the issue said those are exactly the circumstances that are fueling a popular uprising against a state legislative plan that would require schools to indoctrinate children as young as 5 with the idea that homosexuality, transsexuality and other alternative lifestyles are not only acceptable, but to be looked at as models.

"What continues to floor the parent, Phyllis Fernandez, whose daughters attend kindergarten and third grade at Faller Elementary School, is that the employee's attire would not be permissible for students. The employee, a substitute lunch duty worker, was wearing makeup and a spaghetti strap shirt, with his bra straps visible to students. District dress code policies for students ban both spaghetti straps and visible undergarments," the report said.

"I shouldn't have to be explaining to my five and eight year old girls why a man at their school is wearing a bra," said Fernandez. "The school believes they have to give special treatment to this individual because of his chosen gender expression, but the learning environment is suffering."

Attorneys at the institute who are advising Fernandez noted that this type of frustration is serving to build support for a repeal of SB48, the newly approved law that would demand that schools promote transgender, bisexual and homosexual historical figures.

[rpo]

This article and video below explain why many people are against this law.

So many people are against the law because the misunderstand it? They should try understand what will be taught instead of coming up with things that would never be allowed and basing their decisions on falsehoods.

[Redone]

So many people are against the law because the misunderstand it? They should try understand what will be taught instead of coming up with things that would never be allowed and basing their decisions on falsehoods.

When you say "what will be taught", is the video not pointing out exactly what WAS taught in that state ??

[mac_convert]

A person who considers himself or herself gay may not choose to be gay, but they choose to participate and live in the gay lifestyle. Being gay isn't the sin, living the gay lifestyle is the sin. People struggle with different issues!

It has NOTHING to do with lifestyle. Being gay is NOT a choice. Because of discrimination against the way they were born, they have to be protected from retribution from people who try to pretend/wish they do not exist.

[rpo]

A person who considers himself or herself gay may not choose to be gay, but they choose to participate and live in the gay lifestyle. Being gay isn't the sin, living the gay lifestyle is the sin. People struggle with different issues!

Seriously?

[swmr545]

A person who considers himself or herself gay may not choose to be gay, but they choose to participate and live in the gay lifestyle. Being gay isn't the sin, living the gay lifestyle is the sin. People struggle with different issues!

What is a "gay lifestyle"? And what is a "straight lifestyle"?

My current lifestyle as a gay man is trying to graduate from college amidst budget cuts (lost 9 units this semester because classes were cancelled), trying to make money working at my job and pay off the debt I've got from paying for my own education, and trying to be a good uncle to my niece and nephew. And with all of that going on, I haven't been in a relationship for 4 years.

What part of that is sinful?

[Chris]

What is a "gay lifestyle"? And what is a "straight lifestyle"?

My current lifestyle as a gay man is trying to graduate from college amidst budget cuts (lost 9 units this semester because classes were cancelled), trying to make money working at my job and pay off the debt I've got from paying for my own education, and trying to be a good uncle to my niece and nephew. And with all of that going on, I haven't been in a relationship for 4 years.

What part of that is sinful?

Nothing, keep going, I am proud of you for pursuing your education no matter what the odds...! Keep going and don't stop until you have your BA or BS. My two oldest sons are going through the same thing you are now. No classes, low units per semester.... It will take you longer but don't give up....! They cut classes but not the pensions of somebody getting 150K a year who retired at 50 years old....... Can't touch those....! That's the "giveaways" to the unions from the last 20 years...! They retire at 50 with over 100K a year and our kids can get only 9 units at the JC or State College and mostly of classes they don't need or want........! Hang in there. It might take you 6 or 7 years for that BA or BS but do it...! It was 6.5 years for me, working graves and swings most of the time to get through....... Nothing like 4 hours sleep between work and morning class....! Thank God for strong coffee....! Regards, Chris

[caligirlz]

A person who considers himself or herself gay may not choose to be gay, but they choose to participate and live in the gay lifestyle. Being gay isn't the sin, living the gay lifestyle is the sin. People struggle with different issues!

And your opinion is based on....what? I think I know what you are trying to say. IF you are trying to present an opinion based on the bible, it is not biblically accurate.

[caligirlz]

What is a "gay lifestyle"? And what is a "straight lifestyle"?

Your a smart guy swmr, no one needs to explain that to you.

My current lifestyle as a gay man is trying to graduate from college amidst budget cuts (lost 9 units this semester because classes were cancelled), trying to make money working at my job and pay off the debt I've got from paying for my own education, and trying to be a good uncle to my niece and nephew. And with all of that going on, I haven't been in a relationship for 4 years.

What part of that is sinful?

So basically you are saying you are a celibate gay man. Nothing sinful in that.

[rpo]

What is a "gay lifestyle"? And what is a "straight lifestyle"?

My current lifestyle as a gay man is trying to graduate from college amidst budget cuts (lost 9 units this semester because classes were cancelled), trying to make money working at my job and pay off the debt I've got from paying for my own education, and trying to be a good uncle to my niece and nephew. And with all of that going on, I haven't been in a relationship for 4 years.

What part of that is sinful?

Not one part is sinful. Even if you were in a relationship, it would not be. Don't listen to mac_convert.

[swmr545]

So basically you are saying you are a celibate gay man. Nothing sinful in that.

Not because I want to be, but because I'm focusing on myself and my future and trying to make sure I'm settled and in a relatively good situation before entering into another relationship. I would be happy having another BF, but I know that it won't be conducive to my goals right now.

When I dated my ex, I was getting Cs consistently because of the time and effort that is needed to go into a relationship. Since being single, I'm getting As and Bs.

[caligirlz]

Not because I want to be, but because I'm focusing on myself and my future and trying to make sure I'm settled and in a relatively good situation before entering into another relationship. I would be happy having another BF, but I know that it won't be conducive to my goals right now.

When I dated my ex, I was getting Cs consistently because of the time and effort that is needed to go into a relationship. Since being single, I'm getting As and Bs.

I completely understand, and I think you have a great plan.