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#196 Steve

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Posted 23 August 2004 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (waterbaby149 @ Aug 23 2004, 09:45 PM)
The Folsom City Council, Bob Holderness and the rest of the team will eventually "piss" the wrong person off - it is only a matter of time.....

Here's a simple question to those who have lived in Folsom during the entire reign of Holderness and Miklos as they sat on the City Council.

Why wasn't Holderness and Miklos held accountable for the City of Folsom violating State Law on Affordable Housing that was only settled within the past 2 years after a Lawsuit was brought forth by Legal Services? As you are aware, the City violated this State Law for nearly 10 years during which both Holderness and Miklos held positions on the Council. One of the primary responsibilities of the City Council is to provide oversight of City Management; and clearly, Holderness and Miklos failed in their responsibilities to provide this oversight. As a result, many of the current residents paid for this failure through the rezoning of land near their homes to accommodate future high density multihousing units for very low and low income individuals.



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Posted 24 August 2004 - 07:07 AM

QUOTE (Steve @ Aug 23 2004, 10:09 PM)
Why wasn't Holderness and Miklos held accountable for the City of Folsom violating State Law on Affordable Housing that was only settled within the past 2 years after a Lawsuit was brought forth by Legal Services?

A simple guess on my part would be campaign finances. I know developers have played a big part in city elections here and when you have the money to get your face out there, it usually pays off in election wins. You can gloss over many problems with mass mailings extolling your virtues.

Does anyone have the campaign finance records for the past 4-5 Council elections? It would be interesting to see how much influence developers have "negotiated" during the last few election cycles. If someone replies to this, please start on a new thread because it is getting off topic but reference here. cool.gif
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 07:15 AM

QUOTE (melloguy @ Aug 24 2004, 07:07 AM)
Does anyone have the campaign finance records for the past 4-5 Council elections?  It would be interesting to see how much influence developers have "negotiated" during the last few election cycles.  If someone replies to this, please start on a new thread because it is getting off topic but reference here.   cool.gif

Melloguy,

Some old topic thread from November 2002:

The title: Can Developers "buy" Our City Hall?, Incumbents Spent Over $140,000!!!

http://www.tomatopag...897a1928e4f1118



#199 melloguy

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 07:27 AM

QUOTE (Ahnold @ Aug 21 2004, 05:10 AM)
How the initiative process got into that system of government I'm not sure, and I would happily accept any education on that topic.

A report on the California Initiative Process prepared by the California State Library can be found at the following link:

http://www.library.c...97/06/97006.pdf

Here is the gist of California's instituting the initiative and recall processes:

In California, the initiative process was advocated by the Progressives, with the support of the labor movement, as a means to circumvent a state government in which the Southern Pacific Railroad and special interests were perceived as having too much power.

In other words, "robber" (land) barons (i.e., today's developers) were able to dictate their will on the people by their "support" of public officeholders. The recall and initiative processes were, therefore, born of government's representation of the few over the many (sound familiar?). usa.gif
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 08:39 AM

Cyber - read the last post of your link.

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 08:48 AM

QUOTE (melloguy @ Aug 24 2004, 07:27 AM)
QUOTE (Ahnold @ Aug 21 2004, 05:10 AM)
How the initiative process got into that system of government I'm not sure, and I would happily accept any education on that topic.

A report on the California Initiative Process prepared by the California State Library can be found at the following link:

http://www.library.c...97/06/97006.pdf

Here is the gist of California's instituting the initiative and recall processes:

In California, the initiative process was advocated by the Progressives, with the support of the labor movement, as a means to circumvent a state government in which the Southern Pacific Railroad and special interests were perceived as having too much power.

In other words, "robber" (land) barons (i.e., today's developers) were able to dictate their will on the people by their "support" of public officeholders. The recall and initiative processes were, therefore, born of government's representation of the few over the many (sound familiar?). usa.gif

Thanks mello! I feel more educated already. I better sit down and rest now... my brain hurts. But you're right - it does sounded awfully familiar...

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 10:55 AM

This document is 30 pages. Holycowy!

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Posted 24 August 2004 - 03:17 PM

So net it out in one sentence now that you've read it.... biggrin.gif

Is it, we're done, start looking forward to development..... woo-hoo!
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Posted 24 August 2004 - 08:02 PM

two words

grand jury
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 12:32 AM

Cybertrano,

The Council members have been criticized for not posting on this website. Andy has posted, I have requested that others post my e-mails to them, on particular issues. I have not posted because, unfortunately, much of the information that does get posted here, and is listed as fact, is, in fact, INCORRECT. I am posting directly for the first time. I have not posted in the past because I would have felt compelled to post comments about all the incorrect information that appears here, and that would be a full time job - and I already have 3 of those. Anyone who wants to communicate with me should contact me directly - I always respond.

Your reference and inclusion of a posting by Mr. Fish from just before the election in 2002 is amusing - and that is about all. As a result of that posting, and the several hundred people Bob sent that too, he got an e-mail from me. When I got the e-mail that Bob sent, I immediately responded, faxed him a copy of my campaign filings (which he already had) and told him that the next communication he would get would be a slander or libel suit from my attorney. Unfortunately, as a result of a virus on my laptop, shortly after that e-mail and subsequent to the posting on this website, I am not able to send you Bob's response. I can tell you what the jist of it was. Bob had gotten copies of all of my campaign filings and he knew - either that or he can't add - even though the addition is already done on the form - that my total campaign contributions were just under $15,000, and that the claims he made about expenditures of the Chamber of Commerce were also false, so his e-mail was an apology, the day after the election. - I must admit that I do not know the exact number as I did not receive the checks, my treasurer did. In fact, I can not to this day tell you who contributed. Since I don't know who contributed the reportable amounts, greater than 150 dollars, I don't know who it is that I supposed to owe a "payback" to.

For the record, there is a limit of $150 per person for political contributions to Folsom City Council races. Anything under $100 dollars goes into a general listinng and anything over $100 must include the name, occupation and business address of the contributor. From review of my filing - which I would ask my treasurer to provide to anyone who wants it, it will be obvious that most of my campaign money was in small donations, from long time Folsom residents, who believed I did a great job representing them while I served on the planning commission and while I served my first 4 years on the Council. So, the posting by Cybertrano is a reiteratiom of false information from Bob Fish, and, if I see it again, I may have to make good on my bringing my attorney into this.

There are a lot of places to get CORRECT information from - why not go to a good source, instead of relying on rumors and innuendo. It is really good to see debates take place here, but most of you never bother to get the facts - or you believe people like Bob Fish. What is funny it that, every couple of weeks or so, I meet someone in the grocery store, or they send me an e-mail that says they moved here a year ago - as in ONE year ago, they moved to a really cute little small town and we are allowing too much growth and destroying our cute little town. I moved here 20 years ago, to a cute little small town, before Lexington Hills (I live off Willow Creek, way before Mitchell park was developed - all we had was City Park), long before Natoma Station, Briggs Ranch, Broadstone or even Blue Ravine existed - when the population, including prisoners was only 13,000 ( I was appointed to Planning Commission in 1994 and elected to Council in 1998), so if you moved to a cute little small town in the past 10 years - then we must be doing something right. If you have ever watched or attended a Council meeting, you may think I am too opinionated, too pushy or whatever - but I go to sleep at night knowing that I have never told a lie, never gone along with the BOYZ for the sake of going along, never done anything that is not in the best interests of the RESIDENTS of the City of Folsom and never been particularly good at politics.

I will defend to the death, the right of Folsom to gain control of the inevitable development south of Highway 50. I encourage you all to go to the county supervisors meetings, as they are redoing their general plan - you know, that thing that Bob keeps telling you has been cast in stone, and can never be revised. I will also defend what I believe is in the best interest of most of us. I will do it directly and honestly and I will respond to whatever questions come up. However, I will not put up with any further accusations that my opinion is effected by development interests, political contributions or any ambition for either re-election to the Council or election to so-called higher office. I AM NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION RIGHT NOW, I HAVE NEVER CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT ANYTHING I HAVE SAID DURING PREVIOUS CAMPAIGNS, and threatening not to vote for me in the future means nothing to me. I will never support anything that I believe is not in the best interests of most of the residents of the
City of Folsom. In fact, if I am ever crazy enough to run for re-election, you should assume I have gone competely insane and you should not vote for me. In the interim, I will continue to work my butt off for the best interests of the residents of Folsom within the region, on the Regional Sanitation District Board and as the Chair of the Rail JPA, past chair of the Sacramento Transporation Authority, past chair of the Sacramento Groundwater Authority and any other arena in which I represent the City of Folsom.

Please feel free to contact me directly with any questions or comments yo may have, and keep in mind, this forum is not a private conversation, and if you are making "public comments" you owe everyone a duty to ensure that your statements are either verified as being correct ane truthful or are expressed as your opinion.

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 07:00 AM

Kerri - thank you so much for your direct, complete response.

As you may know, I've tried to correct a lot of misinformation in various posts on this site, so it's nice to have you post your own.

You've done a good job of exposing the ugly underside of those individuals/groups that claims to represent the "little guy" against the big, bad, developer-funded city council.

Thanks again, and while I don't always agree with some of your votes on city council, I understand that you are voting for the benefit of ALL residents.

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 07:03 AM

QUOTE (Kerri Howell @ Aug 26 2004, 12:32 AM)
If you have ever watched or attended a Council meeting, you may think I am too opinionated, too pushy or whatever - but I go to sleep at night knowing that I have never told a lie, never gone along with the BOYZ for the sake of going along, never done anything that is not in the best interests of the RESIDENTS of the City of Folsom and never been particularly good at politics.
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I will also defend what I believe is in the best interest of most of us. I will do it directly and honestly and I will respond to whatever questions come up.
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I will never support anything that I believe is not in the best interests of most of the residents of the
City of Folsom.

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While I do not agree with all of Kerri's political stances, she hit the nail on the head with these three descriptions of herself. I have had the opportunity to work with her and have been very impressed with her zeal and refusal to go along with the BOYZ.

Having said that, I guess it still leaves us without political contribution data for the last several City elections!
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Posted 26 August 2004 - 07:38 AM

Kerri, thanks for coming on this board and setting a lot of things straight.

My wife and I really appreciate the hard work you have put in for the city.

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 09:51 AM

Kerri - thank you for your time and energy. I am one of the silent majority. You need to hear from us more often. I appreciate your honesty and integrity.

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Posted 26 August 2004 - 11:10 AM

Kerri
thank you for coming forward
like others - I have appreciated your knowledge - I may not always agree w/u but I feel u really do care and listen - and try and represent the people
although one of those times I disagree is the 50 issue - more w/the fact that the people deserve the right to vote on issues
we are not stupid people that need to be led by the hand like the BOYZ seem to think - we are educated hard working people who like to think that the people we "hired" for public office will carry forth in our best interests
as one who got involved with CEQA over the Park - I truly do not believe that it puts forth the peoples best interests and I did agree w/Bob when he was at the cc meeting - that CEQA works against the people by letting the City be the lead agency... in the stance w/the park the state should have been the lead agency not the City - who has a vested interest

Again thank you for being u and being educated and being willing to say what u think and to makes apologies if necessary (or is that "untruths")
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