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[Johnny_come_lately]

SHOCKER: Wild Sports has about 5 Glock 19's in stock, $519. They also have that S&W Sigma 9mm which is pretty nice too (they copied Glock) for $319, including 2 additional magazines ($80 value).

Now I'm torn....

Decisions...

Go with the Glock. Hands down. Without a doubt. There's a reason why Sigma is nicknames "Smegma". Go try one out - the trigger is crunchy and I find the quality of manufacture below par. Others may feel differently.

You get what you pay for.

[ChipShot]

Go with the Glock. Hands down. Without a doubt. There's a reason why Sigma is nicknames "Smegma". Go try one out - the trigger is crunchy and I find the quality of manufacture below par. Others may feel differently.

You get what you pay for.

I think you're right. Gonna do it.

[tsukiji]

Go with the Glock. Hands down. Without a doubt. There's a reason why Sigma is nicknames "Smegma". Go try one out - the trigger is crunchy and I find the quality of manufacture below par. Others may feel differently.

You get what you pay for.

Between the two, I agree. I haven't tried the Sigma but I've had an S&W before and once was enough.

Glock's trigger is a little mushy for me, not as crisp as HK and Sig which seem to break cleanly. And the HK / Glock grip is a little blocky for me -- too flat on the sides. But still, very nice weapon.

But I'd still consider the P229 if the extra cost isn't a big deal. Gotta plug the Sig's

But getting back to point -- definitely Glock over Sigma.

[Orangetj]

Glock's trigger is a little mushy for me, not as crisp as HK and Sig which seem to break cleanly. And the HK / Glock grip is a little blocky for me -- too flat on the sides. But still, very nice weapon.

That trigger is the one thing I just can't stand about Glocks. It is designed that way, as it is kind of a "semi double action", wherein the striker is half cocked during the cycling of the slide and then pulled back to fully cocked position by the first movement of the trigger prior to being released. It's a safety feature of sorts, but it really plays havoc with consistent marksmanship for me. I realize that defensive shooting is not marksmanship, but the reality is that the vast majority (most likely all) of the shooting that one is going to do with such a pistol is target and plinking.

Regarding S&W - I can't speak to the quality of their semi-auto pistols, but I can say that the 686+ revolver I own is a superb firearm.

[Johnny_come_lately]

So whatever happened? Did you make a purchase?

[ChipShot]

So whatever happened? Did you make a purchase?

Yep...After going back and forth, I decided to go with the Smith&Wesson 9mm Sigma, which was $200 less than the $519 Glock 19 that S&W copied, and was reviewed quite well by all accounts. S&W has worked out the issues that plagued the earlier Sigma. Am picking it up Saturday at Wild Sports when the 10 day waiting period expires, then will get out to the range out there off Sunrise. Special S&W offer of 2 extra magazines ($80 value), so will have 4 magazines which is nice.

Man, between taking the test (which was easy) and the other paperwork, background check, etc, Calif. has made it a semi-hassle for law-abiding people like me to buy a handgun.

Glad the criminals can get one in 5 minutes in South Sacto.....

http://www.gunblast.com/SWSigma9.htm

Thanks for asking...

[tsukiji]

Yep...After going back and forth, I decided to go with the Smith&Wesson 9mm Sigma, which was $200 less than the $519 Glock 19 that S&W copied, and was reviewed quite well by all accounts. S&W has worked out the issues that plagued the earlier Sigma. Am picking it up Saturday at Wild Sports when the 10 day waiting period expires, then will get out to the range out there off Sunrise. Special S&W offer of 2 extra magazines ($80 value), so will have 4 magazines which is nice.

Man, between taking the test (which was easy) and the other paperwork, background check, etc, Calif. has made it a semi-hassle for law-abiding people like me to buy a handgun.

Glad the criminals can get one in 5 minutes in South Sacto.....

http://www.gunblast.com/SWSigma9.htm

Thanks for asking...

Can I try?

[tsukiji]

So, DavBurr, when's range day?

[ChipShot]

Can I try?

Of course....

[Chris]

Don't you feel dirty having to answer all those questions when buying a firearm...! Funny how we have to go through this every time....! I think we should have instant background checks and then walk out the door with our purchase..... Well anyway, enjoy your new weapon. Does it have a thumb safety? I think I am going to Wild Sports tomorrow and pick up the S&W MP 45 with the thumb safety. I have an HK USP in .40 and it's a great weapon. Not a big fan of Glocks due to the grip and the lack of a safety other than the trigger safety. I have heard some stories of "drop fires" on them too. Not a big fan of Taures, sorry guys. I also have an SA 1911 A1 which is very nice and looks just like the old US 45. Go out the the Sac. Valley Shooting center. It's the best...! I've been a member there now for 5 years. Does anybody here like the Springfield XD...? They look great and are super dependable. They just came out with the XD .45 with a thumb safety. I can't buy one here in CA because it is not on the list.......! Go figure, I can buy the one with the grip and trigger safety but not the same gun with the added thumb safety....! This is what happens when liberals who know knothing about guns make laws for the rest of us who do....! Chris

[Dave Burrell]

So, DavBurr, when's range day?

How about next Friday?

[tsukiji]

Don't you feel dirty having to answer all those questions when buying a firearm...! Funny how we have to go through this every time....! I think we should have instant background checks and then walk out the door with our purchase..... Well anyway, enjoy your new weapon. Does it have a thumb safety? I think I am going to Wild Sports tomorrow and pick up the S&W MP 45 with the thumb safety. I have an HK USP in .40 and it's a great weapon. Not a big fan of Glocks due to the grip and the lack of a safety other than the trigger safety. I have heard some stories of "drop fires" on them too. Not a big fan of Taures, sorry guys. I also have an SA 1911 A1 which is very nice and looks just like the old US 45. Go out the the Sac. Valley Shooting center. It's the best...! I've been a member there now for 5 years. Does anybody here like the Springfield XD...? They look great and are super dependable. They just came out with the XD .45 with a thumb safety. I can't buy one here in CA because it is not on the list.......! Go figure, I can buy the one with the grip and trigger safety but not the same gun with the added thumb safety....! This is what happens when liberals who know knothing about guns make laws for the rest of us who do....! Chris

I don't really mind filling out the DROS paperwork. It's pretty easy and quick. But I would like to see some data on how useful the process is in preventing purchases by those that should not be able. I wonder how many times a person who shouldn't be able to purchase a weapon have actually been caught and denied? And how many of those people who still desire a weapon were able to purchase through other (illegal) means? Basically, is the process effective? And I agree, I don't understand the 10 day waiting period, especially if you're already a registered gun owner. And what's with the 1 gun/month limitation. Not that I can afford to purchase more than 1 at a time, but if something's on sale or hard to find.....

Having had S&W (w/ safety) and Sigs (w/out safety), I now much prefer pistols w/out the safety. The only controls I want are a decocker and slide release. I don't want to mess with a safety if the SHTF. Chamber a round and go. The DA pull of my Sigs are safety enough. The Glock trigger safety is pretty seamless so I don't mind that. If I get an HK, I'd make it a Variant 3 action (I understand you can only purchase V1 in CA but are allowed to convert to V3 afterwards). Which goes to your point -- CA approved list is stupid. Why can't a purchase a V3 of an approved gun; why only V1? It's not like the pistol is inherently less safe. And there are other pistols (ie - Sigs) that don't have a saftey control and are approved.

Never tried but I've heard XD45's were pretty respectable. S&W have a great history but I didn't like the one I had and won't go back given other brands available.

[tsukiji]

How about next Friday?

Wow, you always have the great ideas!

That might be do-able. I went last Friday, probably going this Friday. Make it a hat-trick.

BTW, anyone know how the Wild Sports ammo coupons work? I'm confused. I never had a problem using them before but apparently now the coupons don't work on Wednesday because they publish new coupons in the Bee on Thursdays? It's not printed anywhere (admittedly by the store). Any body know the details -- it's a savings of $2 per box of 50 which starts to add up (it's like one box free after 6 boxes). Might need to go back and check Wally-world prices.

[Dave Burrell]

Wow, you always have the great ideas!

That might be do-able. I went last Friday, probably going this Friday. Make it a hat-trick.

BTW, anyone know how the Wild Sports ammo coupons work? I'm confused. I never had a problem using them before but apparently now the coupons don't work on Wednesday because they publish new coupons in the Bee on Thursdays? It's not printed anywhere (admittedly by the store). Any body know the details -- it's a savings of $2 per box of 50 which starts to add up (it's like one box free after 6 boxes). Might need to go back and check Wally-world prices.

I'd go this Friday too but I'm going to be in Tahoe... I'll work on planning something for the next few fridays to see what we can do

On the Wild Sport coupons - they've always done right by me and even honored coupons that were already expired - got a great scope for my rifle on a deal that had expired the week prior - I didn't even have the coupon - the guy told me about it then looked up the old coupon in a book he had and they honored it - that was really nice and its one of the main reason I like Wild Sport - they have outstanding customer service in addition to a great selection of goods

[ChipShot]

I now much prefer pistols w/out the safety. The only controls I want are a decocker and slide release. I don't want to mess with a safety if the SHTF. Chamber a round and go. The DA pull of my Sigs are safety enough.

That's how I feel...it's a personal preference. And the trigger pull on the S&W Sigma 9mm is slightly more than the Glock, but when the adrenaline is going, that won't be an issue. Know what I mean?