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[cw68]

I answered the question. If one felt misleading the public is grounds for impeachment, wouldn't that be grounds for a recall as well?

"What exactly has she done to warrant a recall?"

The answer has nothing to do with any other elected official.

[Ichibon]

I really like "The New Bridge". Not very imaginative, I know. I'd rather NOT be known for the prison. There is so much more to Folsom than that. I seriously doubt we could get the Council to re-do.

[Robert Giacometti]

"What exactly has she done to warrant a recall?"

The answer has nothing to do with any other elected official.

Where did I previously say she did something to be recalled?

If misleading the public is grounds for impeacment, wouldn't misleading the public be grounds for recall as well?

Its a simple question, why can't you answer it?

[valdossjoyce]

But this is about honoring someone, Robert. It's not about selling something. We are honoring John Cash because he really did more than any other individual I can think of to make our town famous. I think that deserves some recognition. And I doubt Cash's children would go along with it if they thought the town was just cashing in (pardon the pun) on his name. I think they recognize his link and the significance too.

The point people seem to be is missing in this dispute is that those who want a tribute to Cash for "putting us on the map" are at complete odds with those who want to promote Folsom as the upscale Sacramento suburb, haven to Intel intelligentsia and other yuppies, that want the world to FORGET WE HAVE A PRISON here! These two "visions" of Folsom clash in a very big way. While I get a kick out of our notoriety compliments of Cash's song, that song hardly gives justice to the man who, after kicking his drug addiction, became a solid Christian and humanitarian seeking to make this world a better place. His music resonates because it strikes at the core of human experience and emotion. His life works, beyond the song, is commendable. I think I could get over the fact that the bridge was not named for him if another appropriate name had been selected. A name that is completely geographically incorrect just makes us look stupid.

[Fig]

The point people seem to be is missing in this dispute is that those who want a tribute to Cash for "putting us on the map" are at complete odds with those who want to promote Folsom as the upscale Sacramento suburb, haven to Intel intelligentsia and other yuppies, that want the world to FORGET WE HAVE A PRISON here! These two "visions" of Folsom clash in a very big way. While I get a kick out of our notoriety compliments of Cash's song, that song hardly gives justice to the man who, after kicking his drug addiction, became a solid Christian and humanitarian seeking to make this world a better place. His music resonates because it strikes at the core of human experience and emotion. His life works, beyond the song, is commendable. I think I could get over the fact that the bridge was not named for him if another appropriate name had been selected. A name that is completely geographically incorrect just makes us look stupid.

You bring up a good point. But just like Folsom is part of the Sacramento MSA, the portion of land and water the bridge crosses, per the State of California, is mapped and part of the Folsom Lake SRA. This new bridge will cross the Folsom Lake SRA. This is a fact; see www.parks.ca.gov or www.ca.gov for yourself. So when someone knows the facts, the name is not stupid. Grant you the name is not perfect, but it is factual and geographically correct. To be positively perfect, though, instead of by-pass, maybe adjust the name to Folsom Lake SRA Crossing.

Also, Folsom has Lake Natoma Crossing. Per all of my sources thus far, Lake Natoma goes from the bend to Nimbus Dam, thus since the bridge is up-river from the bend, this bridge is incorrectly named. I'm very open to anyone that can prove this wrong with facts. What was Kerry's and the council's vote on that bridges name in 2000?

Why did Kerry, who was on the 2-person council with Starsky to choose the 4 best names, allow this winning entry to be part of the vote?

[Fig]

You bring up a good point. But just like Folsom is part of the Sacramento MSA, the portion of land and water the bridge crosses, per the State of California, is mapped and part of the Folsom Lake SRA. This new bridge will cross the Folsom Lake SRA. This is a fact; see www.parks.ca.gov or www.ca.gov for yourself. So when someone knows the facts, the name is not stupid. Grant you the name is not perfect, but it is factual and geographically correct. To be positively perfect, though, instead of by-pass, maybe adjust the name to Folsom Lake SRA Crossing.

Also, Folsom has Lake Natoma Crossing. Per all of my sources thus far, Lake Natoma goes from the bend to Nimbus Dam, thus since the bridge is up-river from the bend, this bridge is incorrectly named. I'm very open to anyone that can prove this wrong with facts. What was Kerry's and the council's vote on that bridges name in 2000?

Why did Kerry, who was on the 2-person council with Starsky to choose the 4 best names, allow this winning entry to be part of the vote?

Why did Kerry, who was on the 2-person council with Starsky to choose the 4 best names allow the Folsom Lake Crossing entry to be part of the vote?

[Folsom Guy]

"What exactly has she done to warrant a recall?"

Ducky, I missed this part in your post in response to mine.

There seems to be some on here who feel GW should be impeached for misleading the public. I'm assuming they would feel the same about any elected official IF that person was misleading the public.

Well hold it right there - GW's words and actions led to thousands killed, millions displaced and maimed, the world economy teetering and almost trillion dollars gone in smoke...so don't just undercall it by saying 'misleading the public'.... I can confidently say that in pvt business anybody comitting such a big boo boo would be shown the door right away....but, somehow lots of REPS feel compelled to defend and downplay Dubya's follies.

Kerri has a personality that may rub-off the wrong way to many people....it seems our EDF always found her on the wrong side of the issues he led...

For some, that may be strong enough of a reason do push for a recall. But, the fact that recall Kerri has not gone anywhere in spite of Kerri being Kerri tells us something.

[Dave Burrell]

Where did I previously say she did something to be recalled?

If misleading the public is grounds for impeacment, wouldn't misleading the public be grounds for recall as well?

Its a simple question, why can't you answer it?

where's your PROOF?

it's kind of odd that you're the only one who thinks she's misleading the public - does it have something to do with this missing RFP you keep asking me for? (sorry but I don't even know what that is)

[POConnor]

Where is your proof that the politicians aren't listening? Did you ever stop to think that Steve, Eric, Andy & Jeff consistently get MORE votes than Kerri during elections and that maybe they are communicating with the MAJORITY of people who elected them?

Please don't tell me you are using some poll without any sciencitific methodology and any safeguards to reliability as your meauring stick for "will of the people"?

I'm disappointed to see you started down that slippery slope of thinking this is an issue of them against Kerri. This is EXACTLY what Kerri wants you to think! Once people start thinking this way all logic goes out the window. People start using emotions rather than logic.

You have never answered my question! If Kerri feels using the name JC is such a great opportunty to promote tourism in Folsom, Why hasn't she EVER demanded the Chamber do this before? I'll help you with the answer, its NOT about Johnny Cash, its about Kerri Howell.

If this issue would come to a vote by the citizens, its my sense the name Johnny Cash would NOT be approved by the voters. Its my sense that most people would see this for what it is, a cheap publicity stunt that Folsom DOESN'T need.

Another prediction I have is I'm sensing people are growing tired of Kerri's shenigans. I'd say there is a 50/50 chance you will see a recall against her next year. There is NO way she would survive. She only got 16% of the vote in the last election and NONE of her colleagues endorsed her.

If we really want to prostitute ourselves with name so we can throw a big party, why not use Brittany Spears or Paris Hilton? Get them to show up, drive them around town, making sure they get in and out of the car many times and get a picture of EDF discoing with them at the "meno" manor. This would be a bigger party than using JC.

Somebody would probably complain that Brittany or Paris had nothing to do with the bridge, of course neither does JC.

Okay okay, I have to say when I saw the poll for the new bridge name and I saw the Johnny Cash Bridge that was immediately what I voted for. I know nothing about Robert, I know nothing about Kerri but I do know about Johnny Cash and I was excited at the prospect of the bridge being named after someone that I view as an icon. I believed that having the name would bring money to this town and why wouldn't we do something that brought us money.

After reading this post from Robert I'm actually laughing...because really the only person that is making the bridge about Kerri is Robert...

And if you think that prostitution is a city doing something to bring in tourist and bring money to the businesses of the town so that they can stay in business and thrive, the I'd say you were at the very least guilty of some kind of low class political slime-ballness (if there is such a word)
Coming onto the folsom website and basically bashing a council member and making comments that lead people to believe things without actually saying something just shows no class whatsoever.

[old soldier]

we need some bumper stickers and signs to generate support for the johnny cash bridge, maybe an endorsement from a current singer supporting the idea

I am becoming a revolutionist over the bridge misnaming fiasco

[EDF]

UPDATE....

I have not heard squat from Starsky, Miklos or King to my letter...

So... maybe we will have to do something different...

Maybe if we got a crowd down there at city hall we'll get the message across...

Maybe if we got a Petition to be filed on and we voted on it...? who knows... I haven't checked into that...yet...

[ducky]

where's your PROOF?

it's kind of odd that you're the only one who thinks she's misleading the public - does it have something to do with this missing RFP you keep asking me for? (sorry but I don't even know what that is)

This whole sidetracked deja vu argument about Kerri reminds me of a movie quote from "Defending Your Life."

"Your honors, Miss Foster and I have had this argument for a long time. I think the act itself is what's important, but she wants to keep enlarging it until everything loses its meaning. If I fix the flat tire on your car, and two years later I lose your garden hose, according to you I'm not going to get any credit for the flat, I'm just a dumb guy who lost the hose!"

I like old soldier's bumper sticker idea. Maybe we'll have to wait for another council for a name change. I mean, the name of Dyke 8 was changed to Folsom Point, so it can be done.

[camay2327]

UPDATE....

I have not heard squat from Starsky, Miklos or King to my letter...

So... maybe we will have to do something different...

Maybe if we got a crowd down there at city hall we'll get the message across...

Maybe if we got a Petition to be filed on and we voted on it...? who knows... I haven't checked into that...yet...

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The last email I sent to the city council members, including the present mayor, (about the bridge name) I was surprised that Steve Miklos replied. Thanks Steve. Kerri also replied as she always does.

[awood]

Okay okay, I have to say when I saw the poll for the new bridge name and I saw the Johnny Cash Bridge that was immediately what I voted for. I know nothing about Robert, I know nothing about Kerri but I do know about Johnny Cash and I was excited at the prospect of the bridge being named after someone that I view as an icon. I believed that having the name would bring money to this town and why wouldn't we do something that brought us money.

After reading this post from Robert I'm actually laughing...because really the only person that is making the bridge about Kerri is Robert...

And if you think that prostitution is a city doing something to bring in tourist and bring money to the businesses of the town so that they can stay in business and thrive, the I'd say you were at the very least guilty of some kind of low class political slime-ballness (if there is such a word)
Coming onto the folsom website and basically bashing a council member and making comments that lead people to believe things without actually saying something just shows no class whatsoever.

DITTO

[Nancy]

we need some bumper stickers and signs to generate support for the johnny cash bridge, maybe an endorsement from a current singer supporting the idea

I am becoming a revolutionist over the bridge misnaming fiasco

I wouldn't mind a Johnny Cash bridge at all. I think it would be cool. But the current name is so ridiculous that just about anything else would be fine with me.

Maybe one set of bumper stickers and lawn signs focused on the Johnny Cash angle, and one set focused on the fact that the bridge doesn't cross Folsom Lake. I think with those two options, a lot of people in the city would end up having one or the other.