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[tessieca]

Geez, Swmr, I think that's the whole point of the anecdotes about how we were all picked on in school. We didn't feel the need to run for protection, maybe partially because we didn't expectc to get it from teachers or administration. Per schoolyard rules that would be more likely to make things worse for you instead of better. The other part of that is that we simply learned how to deal with it in a way that was most effective for us.

Did you see them or hear of them ( I know your not that old) walking around in their Birthday suits in order to claim they needed equal rights?

Pickets, protests, marches--sure but over dramatization? No. Sorry, I gotta say that the womens suffrage movement was probably the least (drama) of all our countries history in civil rights movements.

Ah, you might be forgetting bra burning. Not for suffrage, but for other rights for women.

[supermom]

Geez, Swmr, I think that's the whole point of the anecdotes about how we were all picked on in school. We didn't feel the need to run for protection, maybe partially because we didn't expectc to get it from teachers or administration. Per schoolyard rules that would be more likely to make things worse for you instead of better. The other part of that is that we simply learned how to deal with it in a way that was most effective for us.
Ah, you might be forgetting bra burning. Not for suffrage, but for other rights for women.

Yup, your right, not for sufrage. Different era.

I do agree with the part about how kids learn how to deal with adversity in school, however. Some kids learn to deal with it pretty quickly and go on to have a successful and mostly have good or fond memories of school. Some kids never seem able to bounce out of the spiteful circle. Or even seem to bring on more of it, by their behavior. I think that the schools do try to have teachers help intervene when they can---but, not always. I've seen teachers take sides-and intentionally set kids up for "punishment" by their peers. Highschools seem to be a breeding ground for some kids getting the brunt of brutal treatment. Truthfully--whether the kid is "different" or not--doesn't take away from the fact that these little angels are committing assault and battery on other kids--on a daily basis. Regardless of whether or not they like the kid--there should be 100% zero tolerance 1st strike your expelled policy in schools.
I'm sick of the perceived "safety net" in schools--when kids have to wonder who is carrying a knife or brass knuckles around campus. ( quite a few were confiscated at Folsom High last year)

Like I keep saying, over and over--we are trying to prepare kids for the real--work force world. Who would not be fired and escorted out of their place of business for bullying or bringing weapons to work? Not a suspension--but fired. Get the punks out of the schools.

[JohnnyCakes]

I do agree with the part about how kids learn how to deal with adversity in school, however. Some kids learn to deal with it pretty quickly and go on to have a successful and mostly have good or fond memories of school. Some kids never seem able to bounce out of the spiteful circle. Or even seem to bring on more of it, by their behavior.



Like I keep saying, over and over--we are trying to prepare kids for the real--work force world. Who would not be fired and escorted out of their place of business for bullying or bringing weapons to work? Not a suspension--but fired. Get the punks out of the schools.

I chopped up you post a bit her supermom but these 2 I want to give my viewpoint:

1. Some even make a career out of it and I think we all know who this sounds like.

2. What do you do with the punks once you boot them from school?

I feel that school/formal education is only a fraction of preparing the youth of America for the real world. The major problem is that parents aren't doing their JOB as a parent. The don't have the ability to tell their kids NO. If they do, they fear their kid won't like them and be their buddy. Who effin' cares if you kids don't like you, they are teenagers...they don't like anybody, do your JOB as a parent. Once you fail to put your foot down, the kids learn that they will have the ability to run anyone over who doesn't put their foot down.

Don't just go out and buy them the new 4000 Gig Ipod/Xbox 360/PS3/Wii because its Christmas. Don't buy them a new car for their 16th birthday. Don't let them stay out until 3AM because thats when they want to come home. Be a parent, put your damn foot down, make some steadfast rules and enforce them. If they follow your rules, then reward them. Violate the rules...take back the rewards.

I can assure you that every teacher in every school know who all of the trouble makers are. They also do what they can to pass these trouble makers along as quickly as possible because, they don't want to have to deal with them any longer than they have to. Most times, the parents are informed of their kids inability to get along with their classmates and do the assigned school work, but the parents have the inability to recognize that they are not fulfilling their duties as a parent. They get offended when a principal informs them that their kid is acting up/got caught smoking pot/got in a fight/called a kid a fag because for that split second they realize they aren't doing their JOB as a parent.

The other aspect you have to take into account is the overall lack of maturity of school aged kids. The overwhelming majority are immature. Tell a male high school sophomore a fart joke and you will get roaring laughter more times than not. Due to the lack of maturity, situations suck as name calling and bullying occur. Most kids grow out of it, some choose not to.


Finally, I can't believe this thread has gotten to 16 pages.


John

[chris v]

Tell a male a fart joke and you will get roaring laughter more times than not.

Fixed it for ya

[Germ-RicanGrl]

they realize they aren't doing their JOB as a parent.

Just so I understand, if my kid a) acts up b) smokes pot c) gets in a fight d) calls a kid a name then I am not doing my job as a parent? Damn, tough crowd. You show me one person who says they have never done one of the above (no pulling the Jesus card) and I will show you a liar. So that means every parent that has walked the earth sucks at their job. Kids make bad decisions, it's a part of the social development process. I had good parents and I admit that I have made all of the mistakes mentioned.

[dcmss]

I cannot believe this thread has gone on for 16 pages! Anyone else think we are indulging swmr in his goal of drawing attention to himself?

All parents know their kids can do things that are bad/illegal and most acknowledge that it is a prt of growing up, testing boundaries and experiencing a variety of things life has to offer. I do agree with the poster though who said a lot of parents don't do the parenting job as well as they ought to and are allowing their offspring to grow up into the more reprehensible elements of society. Kids do bad things but need to be punished for them and educated as to the error of their ways so they can grow up into meaningful and contributing members of the world we all live in. Far too many parents are laissez-faire and they are to blame for their unruly and repellent children.

Made my one final point in this thread and am going to quit posting in it. Suggest politely others do the same. I'm sure swmr will come back with another "Hey, look at me, pay attention to me" thread soon.

[swmr545]

Someone earlier said that high school is supposed to prepare a student for the real world, and that the bad experiences are just part of that process.

My question to that is, am I supposed to be ok with being assaulted and recieving death threats and not alerting the proper authorities?

[folsom500]

Someone earlier said that high school is supposed to prepare a student for the real world, and that the bad experiences are just part of that process.

My question to that is, am I supposed to be ok with being assaulted and recieving death threats and not alerting the proper authorities?

Ok - so we are now back into your HS years ( by the way you never commented on comments about your elementary and middle school years) ---

No You are right to have reported the 3 incidents over the 4 or 5 years that you were in HS -

I just do not see how just 3 incidents ( by your own accounting ) equates to a law suite--

swmr- I really do not know what to think- you seem to want to be an advocate for gay rights in HS years - but sure seems that even your own experiences do not warrant the extremes that you are now involved in ...

What are you really all about ?

Cheers
Ken

[dueceswild]

Someone earlier said that high school is supposed to prepare a student for the real world, and that the bad experiences are just part of that process.

My question to that is, am I supposed to be ok with being assaulted and recieving death threats and not alerting the proper authorities?

DO you still feel threatened by this threat from way back? So how is a lawsuit going to solve your issue from many years ago?

Is this suite going to get back at the person who did this to you? No, They have moved on with their lives, maybe you should too?



I think it's about the money? Squeaky wheel gets the grease type of thing. If you squeal loud enough maybe they will grease you with some cash to shut up? 15 minutes of fame and hopefully hit the lottery?

[dueceswild]

What are you really all about ?

Cheers
Ken

Be carefull what you ask for?

How does being Gay fall under Local Politics anyhow? 16 pages of SWMR talking about SWMR and this is the local political scene?

[Steve Heard]

Just so I understand, if my kid a) acts up b) smokes pot c) gets in a fight d) calls a kid a name then I am not doing my job as a parent? Damn, tough crowd. You show me one person who says they have never done one of the above (no pulling the Jesus card) and I will show you a liar. So that means every parent that has walked the earth sucks at their job. Kids make bad decisions, it's a part of the social development process. I had good parents and I admit that I have made all of the mistakes mentioned.

You are awesome! Great answer.

[JohnnyCakes]

Just so I understand, if my kid a) acts up b) smokes pot c) gets in a fight d) calls a kid a name then I am not doing my job as a parent? Damn, tough crowd. You show me one person who says they have never done one of the above (no pulling the Jesus card) and I will show you a liar. So that means every parent that has walked the earth sucks at their job. Kids make bad decisions, it's a part of the social development process. I had good parents and I admit that I have made all of the mistakes mentioned.

Firstly, I've never smoked pot, not even Bill Clinton style. I'm offended that you would assume that just because you currently smoke pot or smoked pot back in the day, that I have smoked pot at some point in my 34 years of life. You know what happens when you assume........you make an arse out of yourself. I have also never been in a public type fight. IE... bar fight or a fight in school. Fights with my older brother of course, that's what brothers do.


I'm saying parents of today need to discipline their kids. They also need to loose the attitude that once they leave the house, they are no longer their responsiblility.

John

[jafount]

Firstly, I've never smoked pot, not even Bill Clinton style. I'm offended that you would assume that just because you currently smoke pot or smoked pot back in the day, that I have smoked pot at some point in my 34 years of life. You know what happens when you assume........you make an arse out of yourself. I have also never been in a public type fight. IE... bar fight or a fight in school. Fights with my older brother of course, that's what brothers do.
I'm saying parents of today need to discipline their kids. They also need to loose the attitude that once they leave the house, they are no longer their responsiblility.

John

I never smoked pot either. I fought. Called kids names. So what. I'm sure you've called a another kid a name in your life and THAT was the point. FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS

[Dave Burrell]

Firstly, I've never smoked pot, not even Bill Clinton style. I'm offended that you would assume that just because you currently smoke pot or smoked pot back in the day, that I have smoked pot at some point in my 34 years of life. You know what happens when you assume........you make an arse out of yourself. I have also never been in a public type fight. IE... bar fight or a fight in school. Fights with my older brother of course, that's what brothers do.


I'm saying parents of today need to discipline their kids. They also need to loose the attitude that once they leave the house, they are no longer their responsiblility.

John

does that also mean you never acted up or called another kid a name and were perfectly innocent and wholesome your entire life?

[JohnnyCakes]

I never smoked pot either. I fought. Called kids names. So what. I'm sure you've called a another kid a name in your life and THAT was the point. FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS

My reply was to this:
You show me one person who says they have never done one of the above and I will show you a liar


I, unfortunately, took for granted some of the forum member's ability to use deductive reasoning in my last post. Obviously I've acted up or called a person a name, or I would have taken the time to also point that out in my reply along with never smoking pot or getting in a fight.

I have learned something today. Not everyone who can type is as intelligent as my 4yr. old .

I'm done with this pissing contest.

Good luck to swmr and his lawsuit. I hope the charities he chooses are gracious recipients of the school's money.

John