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[supermom]

Unless all of you know this person, than NO one knows what her intentions were.

She is the only one that knows that and she obviously has many serious problems.

You just dont drive around with 3 kids on Mophine and Alcohol and call yourself normal.

So let the system due their job and lets hope they get it right.

I don't need to know a person to know that operating a motor vehicle after imbibibg in a suicidal cocktail is very wrong. And by choosing to do so-and dragging 3 minors along as well- I was definitiely intending on manslaughter\murder!

Stupid for someone to call this negligence. Oh what she was negligence in assuming it wasn't her responsibility to ensure the safety of her children even if that means yoou don't drive! Or...you don't take the yummy,addictive cocktail? Get real! This lady needs to go to jail. And if that kid dies-the state needs to make it a manslaughter charge or a wrongful death charge.

Where oh where was the little yellow cockatiel crying foul when those kids were strapped inside that vehicle by an inebriated woman? Me thinks-a woman on a cocktail must have been using for quite some time-to be so functional; or she had help, strapping each one of three children into the car...

I don't care to wait to see if justice will come. I demand it.

I hate drunks!

[Bill Z]

But, Bill Z, using a drill is a little different than getting into a moving 2-ton hunk of metal and hitting the road. She didn't just put her children in danger. She put everyone else who was on the road in danger. Let's not foget the other person in the other car that she hit, too.

I am sorry to hear about your finger. Sounds really painful. I've cut myself several times slicing French bread. Never mean to do it, always swear I'll be more careful next time, and yet there is always a next time, and it's usually while I have company and I'm chatting away while preparing food. Hence the reason why I never used a cell phone while driving even before it became a law.

But my point is on the implication of INTENT. I have also repeatedly said she deserves to serve time for her gross negligence. Yes, she put lots of people in danger, but I seriously doubt that was her intent. How about if I word it this way.

She willfully exercised poor judgement and willfully violated several laws. That I can agree to.
I do not however believe the statement "She willfully caused harm to her child" is an inaccurate statement.

[ducky]

But my point is on the implication of INTENT. I have also repeatedly said she deserves to serve time for her gross negligence. Yes, she put lots of people in danger, but I seriously doubt that was her intent. How about if I word it this way.

She willfully exercised poor judgement and willfully violated several laws. That I can agree to.
I do not however believe the statement "She willfully caused harm to her child" is an accurate statement.

Sorry, but I agree with supermom here. She willfully put her children and everyone else on the road in harm's way by operating under the influence. There may have been no malice aforethought, which is what you may be thinking of.

[supermom]

Please-let us not forget:

The wonderful tags on all alcoholic beverages-do not operate a vehicle.

On a morhine bottle-do not operate a vehicle

On a naproxin bottle (of which I am very allergic to) do not operate a vehicle.

She knew this stuff was gonna make her higher than a kite.

Go on- mix naproxin with a strong pain keller then throw in some alcohol.

You don't have to overdose on any to get the high.

[eVader]

She will have her day in court and the appropriate parties (attorneys, judge, jury, witnesses, experts) will render a decision and to intent, responsibility, negligence.

[chris v]

I do not however believe the statement "She willfully caused harm to her child" is an accurate statement.

How? She willfully, drank and took morphine and others... Then she put her children in a car and operated that car while knowing fully well that she was f$%ked up. How is that not willfully causing harm?

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

The issue is that some people think bad things will never happen to them. They understand cognitively that there is inherent risk in what they are doing, but they get away with whatever it is time after time and convince themselves that they know what they're doing and that no harm will come to them or others. Yes, they willingly do the risky thing, but they don't say to themselves, "Today I am going to hurt or kill someone." They rationalize to the point that they convince themselves nothing is going to happen this time. I think that if they had a crystal ball and knew that this day is the day their luck will run out they would think twice about taking the risk. Do they intend to cause harm to others? No, I don't think so. But it is not an accident that they get behind the wheel of a car with diminished capacity -- that they do willingly and they should be punished to the fullest extent of the law for their actions and for the harm they cause others.

Some people live their lives assuming they will get away with risk instead of making decisions based on the reality of what could happen.

[Bill Z]

How? She willfully, drank and took morphine and others... Then she put her children in a car and operated that car while knowing fully well that she was f$%ked up. How is that not willfully causing harm?

because fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon how you look at it, most drunk drivers actually make it home safely.

Let's look at it this way, skydiving is a dangerous risky activity, and sometimes accidents happen. does that mean everytime someone skydives that has an unfortunate accident, they willfully killed themself? Or everytime a racecar driver dies, he willfully killed himself?
Or anytime a motorcycle rider dies?
How about anytime we get in a car, are we willfully killing ourselves when an accident occurs? It's a risk we are all aware of everytime we get in a car.

[stacycam]

Let's look at it this way, skydiving is a dangerous risky activity, and sometimes accidents happen. does that mean everytime someone skydives that has an unfortunate accident, they willfully killed themself? Or everytime a racecar driver dies, he willfully killed himself?
Or anytime a motorcycle rider dies?
How about anytime we get in a car, are we willfully killing ourselves when an accident occurs? It's a risk we are all aware of everytime we get in a car.

Yes, all of that is true if you are willfully taking drugs and alcohol that impair your ability to operate that vehicle, perform that task, etc. All of those examples above affect the person that is driving, skydiving, etc. This woman put her kids and other drivers on the road at risk.

When you drink and drive, you are four times more likely to be in an automobile accident. I'm guessing that number increases if you take drugs at the same time. It is not an "accident" if you could have easily prevented the collision. The same hold true for texters and cell phone talkers. I would feel the exact same way if a texter caused this accident.

Back to the point, that woman CHOSE to drink and take drugs while driving her CHILDREN. Sorry, she made that decision and she should pay - dearly. I'm so sick of our society letting people off the hook when they do something wrong.

[wreathlady]

Please-let us not forget:

The wonderful tags on all alcoholic beverages-do not operate a vehicle.

On a morhine bottle-do not operate a vehicle

On a naproxin bottle (of which I am very allergic to) do not operate a vehicle.

She knew this stuff was gonna make her higher than a kite.

Go on- mix naproxin with a strong pain keller then throw in some alcohol.

You don't have to overdose on any to get the high.

Again, I understand what you are saying and I think she deserves punishment, however, you are missing the point. She is a very sick person. Normal people do not get behind the wheel with all those drugs in your system and drive with 3 children. BTW it is Naproxen, Morphine.
Also, we still are not her and who knows what is wrong with her. She has some form of addiction problem and some type of mental illness. She does need to be in some form of rehab/jail for her acts.

[sunnyCA]

because fortunately or unfortunately, depending upon how you look at it, most drunk drivers actually make it home safely.

Let's look at it this way, skydiving is a dangerous risky activity, and sometimes accidents happen. does that mean everytime someone skydives that has an unfortunate accident, they willfully killed themself? Or everytime a racecar driver dies, he willfully killed himself?
Or anytime a motorcycle rider dies?
How about anytime we get in a car, are we willfully killing ourselves when an accident occurs? It's a risk we are all aware of everytime we get in a car.

You analogies don't hold water...skydiving, racecar driving, and motorcycle riding are legal activities. Driving under the influence is not a legal "risky activity." It is against the law. It puts the lives of everyone in the car and everyone on the road at that time in jeopardy. She made a choice to drive while impaired--she did not "accidentally" drive. She willfully and purposefully got in the car after drinking and taking several meds. I hope she gets the max on this when sentenced. Our society needs to get far tougher on drunk driving...the consequences are far too serious for the slaps on the wrists that many DUIs get.

[legofamily]

According to Webster's dictionary, one of the definitions of willfully is something done deliberately. She deliberately took the drugs, drank the alcohol and drove under the influence with her children in the car. I would guess she wasn't trying to hurt her kids, but she did put them and those on the road around her in serious danger. We definitely need harsher penalties for drunk drivers. A slap on the wrist is not enough. Our friends just lost their daughter to a drunk driver who had 20 previous DUIs. If this guy had been punished more severely, our friends daughter would be alive today.

[wreathlady]

According to Webster's dictionary, one of the definitions of willfully is something done deliberately. She deliberately took the drugs, drank the alcohol and drove under the influence with her children in the car. I would guess she wasn't trying to hurt her kids, but she did put them and those on the road around her in serious danger. We definitely need harsher penalties for drunk drivers. A slap on the wrist is not enough. Our friends just lost their daughter to a drunk driver who had 20 previous DUIs. If this guy had been punished more severely, our friends daughter would be alive today.

That is tragic. I hope it was not in California where she died. I thought they had severe punsihment and huge fines for DUI's?

[legofamily]

That is tragic. I hope it was not in California where she died. I thought they had severe punsihment and huge fines for DUI's?

Yes it was in California.

[wreathlady]

Yes it was in California.

Wow, that is insane. I am so sorry for your freinds daughter. That makes me sick. 20 DUI's seems so out of control. How does one get out of not being imprisoned for that? Makes no sense to me. I hope this person is in jail for a long time now. If it were me, I would have to take matters into my own hands, as it seems our judicial system is not doing what it is supposed to.