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[folsom500]

I have not heard of the forensics but what it is point blank shot that might have occurred during and close contact fight or was it from a few feet away ?

Still lots of questions...

Guess we now know the shot by Zimmerman was from an 'intermediate distance' not close range... http://usnews.msnbc....opsy-shows?lite

[Robert Giacometti]

Guess we now know the shot by Zimmerman was from an 'intermediate distance' not close range... http://usnews.msnbc....opsy-shows?lite

We don't know that! All we know is that is what the report claims!

I seem to recall a report saying it was OJ's DNA on a pair of certain gloves as well.

It will be interesting to hear what the definition is of "intermediate" and "close" is. It will be interesting to find out when this autopsy was done.

[supermom]

We don't know that! All we know is that is what the report claims!

I seem to recall a report saying it was OJ's DNA on a pair of certain gloves as well.

It will be interesting to hear what what the definition is of "intermediate" and "close". It will be interesting to find out when this autopsy was done.

I agree.

We have to be careful when talking about evaluating substantial evidential premises.

It will most defintely be interesting to see how his body location and angle of shot are justified since earlier reports state zimmerman say he was on the ground on his back pinned when he shot the kid at point blank. Stating now that the intermediate distance points an entirely different credibility into someone's accounting of a story. I believe that most police consider 3 feet or less as point blank with a hand gun. intermediate is 3 feet to 9 feet. (approx). It would make since that sitting on a person and the arm length of the two people fitting for dominance-there could be somewhere between 24-48 inches. Perhaps a little more if both people have particularly large body mass and long limbs.

And I defintely agree that one must consider the source of the DNA left on the gloves that were purportedly used to kill OJ's girlfriend, given that there was some inconsitencies in tainted evidence with epithelial sources from other items; and that at the time DNA testing and collection, these processes were relatively new and in unchartered waters (from a legal standpoint).

And ofcoarse, autopsy reports can only be as objective and informed as the forensic collections that were professionally picked up by trained collectors. Advances, ofcoarse, in forensic technology are constantly ,improving, but there is always room for mistakes, inconcistencies and corruption of usable evidence.

[Robert Giacometti]

Guess we now know the shot by Zimmerman was from an 'intermediate distance' not close range... http://usnews.msnbc....opsy-shows?lite

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html

Is the article saying "intermediate" was 2 to 4 inches away?

[folsom500]

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/trayvon-martin-family-lawyers-stop-leaks-release-records-152333240.html

Is the article saying "intermediate" was 2 to 4 inches away?

Guess you are right- until the REAL facts come out - we (my bad) should not speculate on what things that are reported mean.
The news story (maybe that is why they call it a story) I picked up just listed intermediate- I can't believe they would call it intermediate if it was just 2-4" away= to me that is close range or point blank.

[Robert Giacometti]

Guess you are right- until the REAL facts come out - we (my bad) should not speculate on what things that are reported mean.
The news story (maybe that is why they call it a story) I picked up just listed intermediate- I can't believe they would call it intermediate if it was just 2-4" away= to me that is close range or point blank.

No matter what, this is a sad story. A 17 year old lost their life in a manner that shouldn't have happened, so it makes all of us upset! These things shouldn't be happening!

As I've said before, Zimmerman may NOT be guilty of Murder, but that doesn't make him innocent!

What troubles me in addition to the loss of life are those who try to capitalize, on this incident and divide our country even more than what it is!

[Robert Giacometti]

Here is some more information being released.

http://www.huffingto...nk3&pLid=161984

Allegedly there is now a witness who claims he saw Martin on top of Zimmeran hitting him, right before the shooting.

This case is looking like its headed for dismissal more and more.

[Robert Giacometti]

This case needs to be dismissed and everyone who's been accusing Zimmerman of murder for defending himself from a violent attacker needs to apologize. That jack arse Spike Lee and Rosie O'Donnal should be sued for defamation of character. I hope Zimmerman takes those arsehats to the cleaners.

I so wish President Obama would have stepped up when he had the opportunity and told EVERYONE to allow the investigation to go forward and that everyone needed to let the system work through the process. He could have said something to the effect that as long as he was President he was going to make sure justice was carried out in all cases for ALL AMERICANS!

He could have said something to add a personal touch to reach out to Trayvons parents, without implying anything about race.

Then he could have said something and made it very clear as long as he is President he will NOT tolerate any vigilante type justice and ALL those calling for such things are wrong! IMO, this is what leadership is all about!

I expect ALL of my elected leaders to do what is right and say what is right, when its appropriate!

[nomad]

This case needs to be dismissed and everyone who's been accusing Zimmerman of murder for defending himself from a violent attacker needs to apologize. That jack arse Spike Lee and Rosie O'Donnal should be sued for defamation of character. I hope Zimmerman takes those arsehats to the cleaners.

I wonder if Obama had a son like Treyvon if he'd let him smoke weed?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[The Average Joe]

"The gunshot wound entrance was from a bullet fired from "intermediate range," or two to four inches, "a soot ring abrasion and a two-inch by two-inch area of stippling"

Ok, I only play a forensics expert on the internet, but a soot ring abrasion would indicate a close contact shot. A 2 inch stippling would push the distance out a bit. I'd guess around 8 inches. But if they say 2-4, ok.

"Soot markings....

without searing indicate that the gun was held between 3/4" and 12" from the skin."

Moyle Information Service for Law Enforcement

"says that Martin was "killed by a penetrating gunshot wound to the chest," with the entrance wound "located on his left chest 17 inches below the head. The single bullet passed directly from the front to the back, through his lungs, creating perforations." The only injuries to Martin are from the gunshot and to one knuckle, "a quarter-inch to one-eighth inch abrasion on the fourth finger in the ring area."

Ok, so if I am on my back getting pounded on, and I am right handed, I shoot, and the shot would definitely hit the attacker in the left chest, and could certainly travel through both lungs.
Abrasions on Martin's knuckle would likely be from when he caused the damage to Zimmerman's face (as anyone who has ever been in a bareknuckle brawl will tell you, hands get messed up).
I am still waiting for ALL the evidence, but Zimmerman's scenario sure seems plausible.

[supermom]

I wonder if Obama had a son like Treyvon if he'd let him smoke weed?

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1

Metlife foundation just pblished a longitudinal study dated may 2, 2012 that talks about the correlation of teens taking marijuana and the higher risk of developing psychotic episodes.

"the alleged witness" was the 14 year old boy who told police he saw everything, then later told them he saw only a white sweater and couldnt tell who was on top of who and could not even see defined features.

This whole story is so sad. This kid did not have to die. The sac bee is reporting that the bullet was fired from 18 inches.

[Redone]

The charge is 2nd degree murder.

It's not going to stick.... too tough to prove in this case that Zimmerman INTENDED to kill Martin.

[Carl G]

I wonder if Obama had a son like Treyvon if he'd let him smoke weed?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justice/florida-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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