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[bordercolliefan]

Her temperature really wasn't the issue anyway.

As I understand the Christie/Cuomo policy, anyone who has just returned from West Africa and has had contact with Ebola patients will be quarantined for 21 days.  It makes no difference what their temperature is or whether they show any symptoms. 

[The Average Joe]

Her temperature was raised from being angry several hours later? Don't buy it. Even if true, suck it up. She chose to go to an ebola infested area. Anyone with any common sense would realize that there may be repercussions. Not saying that the authorities handled her in an optimal way, just that quarantine of people arriving from ebola infested areas is not cruel or unusual. It has been standard practice for thousands of years.

 

The word quarantine can be traced back to latin quadraginta... literally 40. that was the quarantine time for ships arriving from areas known to have plagues or diseases.

[bordercolliefan]

I find it interesting that now the CDC is saying quarantines (whether mandatory or voluntary) aren't necessary, even for people who have definitely been exposed to ebola, such as health care workers returning from West Africa.

 

Really??  Then why were they tracking down the 700 people who flew on Amber Vinson's airplane or even rode in it on subsequent flights?  And why were they advising the public what bowling alley and restaurant the NY doctor went to? 

 

I think the fear that fewer people will volunteer is motivating the new casual attitude.  I see no reason why quarantine has to discourage people from volunteering--make it a paid vacation for them and make sure they have all the books, movies, and gourmet food they could want.  It doesn't sound so bad...

[ducky]

I find it interesting that now the CDC is saying quarantines (whether mandatory or voluntary) aren't necessary, even for people who have definitely been exposed to ebola, such as health care workers returning from West Africa.

 

Really??  Then why were they tracking down the 700 people who flew on Amber Vinson's airplane or even rode in it on subsequent flights?  And why were they advising the public what bowling alley and restaurant the NY doctor went to? 

 

I think the fear that fewer people will volunteer is motivating the new casual attitude.  I see no reason why quarantine has to discourage people from volunteering--make it a paid vacation for them and make sure they have all the books, movies, and gourmet food they could want.  It doesn't sound so bad...

 

I agree the nurse could have been given more than water and a granola bar.  It seems they still haven't figured out how to handle quarantine, but that doesn't mean it isn't necessary.

The countries in West Africa that have been declared Ebola-free have accomplished it by restricting travel and enforcing borders.  If that's what works, I don't see why we wouldn't do the same.  I was wrong about Mexico.  They were smart enough not to take any chances letting that cruise ship dock.  Our government acts like an abundance of caution is a bad thing,

[4thgenFolsomite]

Mexico enforcing its border policies. Go figure.

[bordercolliefan]

Wow, this surprised me a bit -- makes a 3-week quarantine look pretty reasonable.
 
Australia has banned travel from Ebola-affected countries: http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1

[bordercolliefan]

This is a little histrionic, but in general I think it makes good points. I have heard before that some people don't immediately develop a fever with Ebola.

http://www.foxnews.c...gnores-science/

From the article:

ABOUT ONE IN SEVEN PEOPLE INFECTED WITH EBOLA DOESN'T HAVE A FEVER BEFORE DIAGNOSIS. Airport screening relies largely on temperature taking. Data on over 4,000 Ebola cases – the most complete analysis ever – published October 16 in the New England Journal of Medicine show that 13% of patients don’t develop fever early on.

DOCTORS AND NURSES CAN'T BE DEPENDED ON TO SPOT EBOLA IN THEMSELVES FASTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE. Relying on returning doctors and nurses to monitor themselves assumes they will catch any sign of illness quickly and avoid spreading it. But the New England Journal of Medicine research found doctors and nurses with Ebola don’t’ get to the hospital sooner.

HEALTH CARE WORKERS WHO TREAT EBOLA PATIENTS ARE AT RISK OF GETTING IT, DESPITE WEARING PROTECTIVE GEAR. As of October 25, the World Health organization reports that 450 healthcare workers have contracted Ebola this year and 244 have died. One staffer at Doctors Without Borders in Guinea who worked with Spencer called him a “rigorous man” who carefully followed procedures in removing his protective gear and decontaminating it, adding “we understand that we are also at risk despite the measures.”

THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT ABOUT EBOLA IS HOW LITTLE WE KNOW. There’s no cure for the infected, no vaccine, and no knowledge of how the virus might behave in colder temperatures. Doctors, nurses, and missionaries who nobly volunteer in Africa could inadvertently bringing Ebola home to every continent, literally giving the virus wings.

To be cautious, Samaritan’s Purse, a relief organization, imposes a 21 day isolation on workers returning from West Africa ever since one of its own, Dr. Kent Brantly, became infected. The hospital where Spencer practices emergency medicine requires a 21 day wait to return to work.

[The Average Joe]

Well duh. Every country that has an ounce of common sense has instituted proper controls. Not us. We're too concerned with the politics of it rather than the possibility of contagion. Idiots in charge. Who is the new "ebola czar?" Someone with vast medical experience?  An ex director of the CDC? A contagious disease researcher? Professor of epidemiology?

Ummm, nope. We have Joe Biden's and Al gore's ex chief of staff.... You can't make this stuff up.  Dude is a friggin Harvard LAWYER.  We are so scroomed.

 

This administration even has liberal Saturday Night Live making fun of its choice for czar. The hilarious (if it wasn't so true) skit from last week follows:

 

http://www.nbc.com/s...8621#vc148621=3

[The Average Joe]

The latest? That self absorbed nurse is refusing to stay under house quarantine. What a (censored).  http://bangordailyne...-by-quarantine/

[4thgenFolsomite]

The latest? That self absorbed nurse is refusing to stay under house quarantine. What a (censored).  http://bangordailyne...-by-quarantine/

I'm really getting bad, but I would sort of enjoy saying, I told you so, to this gal.

On a more positive note....the nurses and others with Ebola treated in this country at fairly early stages have all survived and have then been released in about as much time as you would treat a bad cold and without them getting desperately ill. That is a very good sign and pretty clear evidence that Ebola will never be a big problem in this country. I think we are well into our learning curve.

[supermom]

I'm really getting bad, but I would sort of enjoy saying, I told you so, to this gal.

On a more positive note....the nurses and more others with Ebola treated in this country at fairly early stages have all survived iand then been released in about as much time as you would treat a bad cold and without them getting desperately I'll. That is a very good sign and pretty clear evidence that Ebola will never be a big problem in this country. I think we are well into our learning curve.

I disagree with this.

[cw68]

The latest? That self absorbed nurse is refusing to stay under house quarantine. What a (censored).  http://bangordailyne...-by-quarantine/

 

We are a nation of self absorbed people who want whatever we want. It greatly disappoints me, but after thinking more, I shouldn't be surprised. The "rights" of one over the safety of others is kind of our M.O.

[nomad]

Wait until they start putting our soldiers in FEMA camps to "watch" them after they return, that will be interesting.

[4thgenFolsomite]

our soldiers returning from helping ebola victims are being quarantined. 

[supermom]

Our soldiers had no buisness being there to begin with. Completely outside the scope of the intended purpose of having a National Guard. i seriously wish the President could be sued for stupid acts like this.