oh come on steve, where ya been? Those boom box speakers jsut lift out. They can have amps attached and then they become very pricy. There the ones that make the ground shake if they pull up next to you at the stop light. Ya some actually stop.

Fatal Accident On Iron Point
#256
Posted 24 January 2007 - 10:15 PM
oh come on steve, where ya been? Those boom box speakers jsut lift out. They can have amps attached and then they become very pricy. There the ones that make the ground shake if they pull up next to you at the stop light. Ya some actually stop.
#257
Posted 24 January 2007 - 11:21 PM
The fact that they removed the speakers from their car doesn't prove they were remorseless and unfazed.
The media can and does distort things to make them look bigger and worse than they are.
Maybe a police investigation isn't always done in the interest of fairness or an honest search for the truth..
And maybe a juvenile court judge based his decision to keep the boys in custody because of the media publicity on the case and God forbid he or she may be accused of being "too soft".
I'm guessing that regardless of the truth is in this case...and I don't know what it is..those boys are going to suffer very serious legal consequences...it is highly possible a high profile case like this compels the system to make an example out of them.
I'm trying to remember that behind this story are very real people who hurt...yes Mrs. McKnew and her family are the victims and my heart goes out to them...but there are two young men and their families and siblings who before this accident had hopes and dreams and were possibly more than the whole and sum of irresponsible kids..
#258
Posted 24 January 2007 - 11:42 PM
Some will say its a fact witnesses claim they saw the boys racing.....that may be true .....but where did they see them? Is there anyone who was a witness as to how fast the cars were going at the accident scene? Isn't that the most important fact we seem to be missing?
" It left 166 feet of locked-brake skidmarks at the collision scene Folsom police spokeman Kurt Knudesen said." Notice the plural skidmarks. Did BOTH tires leave skidmarks for 166'? In the trial/hearing the fact of how long each tire left a skidmark will be revealed, from begining to impact and if there were any skidmarks after the impact.
The comments published by the Bee about the boys attitudes were very poor, IMHO. There was no statement of fact, only a repeating of someone's opinion...which isn't a fact!
Fortunately for me I've never been involved in major accident where my life flashes before my eyes and the air bag deploys and someone is either mortally or critically injured. I suspect & hope its the same for most of you.....so I can't say for sure how I would react..what I would say or what I would do. Its pretty easy sitting here at the computer to be all high & mighty and proclaim what I would or wouldn't do...but the truth is I don't know.
I just hope none of us, or those we love, would ever have to find out.
I'm going to wait for the facts and keep asking questions.
#259
Posted 25 January 2007 - 12:19 AM
Nobody that I know of would come out of the daze an accident like that would cause, to think about getting speakers out of their car, unless there might be something in them that would certainly cause them more grief.
Could a gun or some dope have been in one of those speakers?
Now, before I get hit up side the head, remember, you all have had your say, and it's only fair I have mine, even if it's speculation of the negative kind.
But we will never know all the answers because these are minors and they can pretty much get away with murder, and it all be erased before their 18th birthday. Just keep that in mind.
In our society, we just slap their hands, and say, "Well, they are just kids, after all. No need to hold them accountable." Even though a human being is dead.
George Orwell
#260
Posted 25 January 2007 - 05:02 AM
In Juvenile Court there is no bail. The judge has five choices:
1) Release the child to their parents.
Or they can keep them in Custody for these reasons:
2) They are a danger to themselves. (Suicide)
3) They are a danger to flee.
4) They have prior failures to appear in court.
5) They are a danger to society.
The "Danger to Society" statement would be used by the court for someone that stole car radio's, shoplifted, or sprayed graffiti on buildings.
#261
Posted 25 January 2007 - 06:38 AM
In Juvenile Court there is no bail. The judge has five choices:
1) Release the child to their parents.
Or they can keep them in Custody for these reasons:
2) They are a danger to themselves. (Suicide)
3) They are a danger to flee.
4) They have prior failures to appear in court.
5) They are a danger to society.
The "Danger to Society" statement would be used by the court for someone that stole car radio's, shoplifted, or sprayed graffiti on buildings.
Was there anything in the boys past coupled with the the racing accusation that the judge cited when making her ruling or were the charges alone enough for the judge to rule against releasing them?
#262
Posted 25 January 2007 - 08:58 AM
Not saying that these guys are a danger to society, but I have a feeling that #5 is also used in cases or murder, manslaughter, kidnapping, etc.
#263
Posted 25 January 2007 - 09:18 AM
The fact that they removed the speakers from their car doesn't prove they were remorseless and unfazed.
The media can and does distort things to make them look bigger and worse than they are.
Maybe a police investigation isn't always done in the interest of fairness or an honest search for the truth..
And maybe a juvenile court judge based his decision to keep the boys in custody because of the media publicity on the case and God forbid he or she may be accused of being "too soft".
I'm guessing that regardless of the truth is in this case...and I don't know what it is..those boys are going to suffer very serious legal consequences...it is highly possible a high profile case like this compels the system to make an example out of them.
I'm trying to remember that behind this story are very real people who hurt...yes Mrs. McKnew and her family are the victims and my heart goes out to them...but there are two young men and their families and siblings who before this accident had hopes and dreams and were possibly more than the whole and sum of irresponsible kids..
Good points.
#264
Posted 25 January 2007 - 09:36 AM
How many of you believe that if it were an adult charged with this crime they'd be walking the street right now and NOT in custody?
The common thought is that juveniles are treated with kid gloves but the reality is they are afforded far less rights than adults in similar situations.
#265
Posted 25 January 2007 - 09:52 AM
The common thought is that juveniles are treated with kid gloves but the reality is they are afforded far less rights than adults in similar situations.
Of course the adult would be walking free because adults have the option of posting bail, not sure why they don't allow that for juveniles.
#266
Posted 25 January 2007 - 09:58 AM
I would guess the judge will have them out with their parents in a short time but the reason parents are responsible until kids are 18 is they don't think straight. and this should help with their thinking
as far as them being a danger, it would worry me if they got behind the wheel of a car real soon
#267
Posted 25 January 2007 - 10:04 AM
I would guess the judge will have them out with their parents in a short time but the reason parents are responsible until kids are 18 is they don't think straight. and this should help with their thinking
as far as them being a danger, it would worry me if they got behind the wheel of a car real soon
Anyone whose recklessness behind the wheel contributes to the death of another person should lose their license for a lengthy time.
#268
Posted 25 January 2007 - 02:55 PM
The judge would know, but it won't be made public because they're juveniles and anything in their pasts would be under juvenile law and thus not subject to public information.
#269
Posted 07 February 2007 - 11:00 AM
Pair in alleged racing death sent home until trial
By Hudson Sangree - Bee Staff Writer
Published 12:00 am PST Wednesday, February 7, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1
A judge on Tuesday allowed two teenage drivers accused of street racing and killing veteran teacher Susan McNew in Folsom last month to return to their homes and high school under strict conditions.
Sacramento juvenile court Judge Jane Ure agreed with prosecutors that the boys did not represent a danger to society as long as they do not drive. She said the accident investigation will take several months.
The pair must turn in their licenses, wear electronic-monitoring ankle bracelets and travel only between home and school.
"I don't want any violations, because that will mean coming back into the (juvenile) hall," Ure said.
Meanwhile, the assemblyman who represents McNew's district has introduced legislation to allow minors who kill during a street race to be prosecuted more easily as adults.
In this case, both teenagers are being prosecuted as juveniles, and their names are protected by the court because they are minors.
Prosecutors charged both teens with vehicular manslaughter with gross negligence.
If found guilty, they face a maximum penalty of less than four years in a juvenile facility and would be released when they turn 21.
To charge the teens as adults, prosecutors would have had to seek a judge's ruling after a potentially lengthy hearing process and months of delays.
The Sacramento County District Attorney's Office said in a statement that juvenile charges were "the most appropriate based on the facts in this case."
Assemblyman Ted Gaines, R-Roseville, who introduced the bill, said he thinks it should be easier to charge street racers who kill as adults.
One of Gaines' bills, AB 247, would add vehicular manslaughter committed during a street race to the list of crimes for which prosecutors can directly file adult charges against teenagers.
"It seems to me there's a loophole in the law," Gaines said. "Something as heinous as the death of someone while teenagers are street racing should be handled in a much more serious way."
Gaines represents the district that includes Shingle Springs, where McNew, 53, lived with her husband, Dawson McNew, and raised two children, Tim, 23, and Kelly, 20. The district also includes Cameron Park, where McNew taught second-graders at Blue Oak Elementary School.
She died Jan. 13 during a Saturday afternoon shopping trip to the Folsom Premium Outlets when a 17-year-old driver in a Dodge Stealth slammed into the side of her Toyota Solara as she exited the shopping center parking lot onto Iron Point Road.
Police allege the driver and another 17-year-old in a BMW 5-series were street racing at speeds well over the 45 mph limit. The Stealth left 166 feet of locked-brake skid marks before the crash, according to Folsom police.
Both of the drivers are seniors at Bella Vista High School in Fair Oaks. About two dozen supporters, many of them teenagers, turned out for Tuesday's hearing.
After court, a lawyer for the driver accused of striking McNew's car said his client insists his actions have been wrongly portrayed. "He adamantly denies they were street racing," attorney Kevin Adamson said. He also said the boy feels remorse for McNew's death. "At some point he wants to talk to the husband," Adamson said. "He said he prays for her every night."
Adamson said the teen comes from modest circumstances and is a hard worker. He had a copy of the boy's school record, which showed he received almost all A's, with a few B's, last year in 11th grade.
Michael Cardoza, a Bay Area attorney for the other teenager, whose car did not strike McNew's, said that boy had bought and paid for the 1992 BMW himself by working two jobs.
Lynne Rominger, an English teacher at Bella Vista who had the BMW driver in her advanced composition class, called him a "good kid" who is concerned about others.
"He's a respectful, kind, hardworking, diligent young man with a very good heart," she said.
The teenagers are next scheduled to appear in court on April 20.
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#270
Posted 07 February 2007 - 06:01 PM
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