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[eVader]

Is that when you bring in Chuck Norris?

Chuck Norris is so fast by the time you see him, he is already gone.

[gadget]

Ask yourself why the family called the PD instead of taking him to the hospital. Take your time and think hard about that.

Did you think yourself? His parents must be old. How could they take the mentally ill 20 year old guy to the hospital? I guess they needed the help, not shooting him.

[gadget]

Did you read the recent article linked above? The guy had a knife, the officers were NOT rookies.

Did you read it? He was in his room, and the police may have caused the violence. Also, do you believe all the articles?

If a mentally ill person commits a murder, he is not guilty by insanity. How come he is suddenly a criminal when he was in his own room in his own house? Was he a public threat at that time? No. Police had a choice not to force to get in.

[Terry]

Okay, let's take another look at this - especially those of you who are parents: imagine being in a position where your adult child is in your home and acting strangely. If you were FEARFUL that your adult child was going to hurt YOU or someone else in your home you would call the police. If you were fearful that your adult child was going to hurt him or herself, you would call your family physician. Even considering that this family was non-English proficient, the son and family friend who contacted authorities certainly did what they felt was the proper contact (the police) under the circumstances provided them by the family.

Really - think about this, and put yourself in the same situation. Under what circumstances would you call 911? You would have to be truly fearful for yourself or others in the home. Otherwise, wouldn't you try for a medical invertention?

[old soldier]

Okay, let's take another look at this - especially those of you who are parents: imagine being in a position where your adult child is in your home and acting strangely. If you were FEARFUL that your adult child was going to hurt YOU or someone else in your home you would call the police. If you were fearful that your adult child was going to hurt him or herself, you would call your family physician. Even considering that this family was non-English proficient, the son and family friend who contacted authorities certainly did what they felt was the proper contact (the police) under the circumstances provided them by the family.

Really - think about this, and put yourself in the same situation. Under what circumstances would you call 911? You would have to be truly fearful for yourself or others in the home. Otherwise, wouldn't you try for a medical invertention?

I would be thinking about calling the police and hope that they would take a look at what was happening and they would call the doctor, minister, or who ever they thought would calm the situation down

it seems like somebody who didn't eat and was staying in his room would be a different situation than a robber holed up in the house. they have to go in and smoke out robbers

it seems that small towns have bigger problems than big towns cause the big city cops have this kind of stuff happening all the time where a small place like folsom its a special situation

[Carl G]

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If a mentally ill person commits a murder, he is not guilty by insanity.
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And yet the other person is still dead. If my wife were murdered by a mentally ill person, I'm not going to feel any better about it.
I understand your comment about the police, but I think it unrealistic. They were called to the home. The stood outside talking with the parents and brother. Given the information and training they had the did the best they could. Unfortunately, things did not turn out well.
My question to you is what do you think would have happened if the police decided not to show up? What if the family called because they were afraid for their safety? What if they tried to handle it themselves and lost their lives in the process?
This whole situation is extremely sad. My heart goes out to the Han family and all the police officers and their families.

[ducky]

And yet the other person is still dead. If my wife were murdered by a mentally ill person, I'm not going to feel any better about it.
I understand your comment about the police, but I think it unrealistic. They were called to the home. The stood outside talking with the parents and brother. Given the information and training they had the did the best they could. Unfortunately, things did not turn out well.
My question to you is what do you think would have happened if the police decided not to show up? What if the family called because they were afraid for their safety? What if they tried to handle it themselves and lost their lives in the process?
This whole situation is extremely sad. My heart goes out to the Han family and all the police officers and their families.

Very well said. I know the parents wished they hadn't called the police because of the outcome, but there could have been a much worse outcome if they tried to handle it themselves.

[irish1]

I would be thinking about calling the police and hope that they would take a look at what was happening and they would call the doctor, minister, or who ever they thought would calm the situation down

it seems like somebody who didn't eat and was staying in his room would be a different situation than a robber holed up in the house. they have to go in and smoke out robbers

it seems that small towns have bigger problems than big towns cause the big city cops have this kind of stuff happening all the time where a small place like folsom its a special situation

Alright, let's put it out there... When folks call for help for a loved one, (or anybody), to Mental Health, Treating Physician, Clergy, Fire Dept., you name it... and describe actions or conditions which may cause the person to possibly be a danger to themselves or others... ALL of them will tell you to 'Call the Cops.' Now, this is serious... they call US to respond to make contact and evaluate for that very criteria - 'Danger to self, or others.' Mental Health does not have strike teams. They take over when 'cops' have delivered the poor soul to them, in a controlled - and less threatening condition. That would be in cuffs or restraints, and most importantly - disarmed, with no objects in possession that could injure or kill. Then, and only then, do the "Proper Professionals" (as some of you have deemed...) take over.

Cops do train for these types of contacts. Due to every single one of these type of contacts being different, in so many, many ways, it is hard to imagine every scenario you will come up against. You just try to do the very best, but, be prepared for the very worst.

Always keep in mind, that it takes a very scary, threatening, and out of control situation to develop, before the average person turns to calling the police on a loved one, for help. By the time they resort to calling the cops, that all over terrible feeling of helplessness has taken place, and all other imaginable efforts have usually been exhausted. We as cops, thoroughly understand that fact.

As for the 'Big City Cops vs. Small City Cops'.... I'm gonna let ya in on sumthin'. We as FPD, we respond to calls that wouldn't even be considered by the 'Big Boys and Girls' in REAL Police Dept.'s. WE take em' all... Have too, because we try hard to be a FULL SERVICE responding agency - even though it has an impact at times, regarding officer safety!!!

Yep, ever notice why when them 'big city bad boyz..' come to our town and start makin' victims of our town folk or businesses, why we just work our tails off to corral 'em up and catch 'em. We don't take kindly to that type of behavior in these parts.... Kinda funny though, makes for good laughin'. Bunch of hap-hazard polks, catching a mean mess of them city-slickers... Hmmm, kinda chaps their hide, when we do it.

[Rickykicks]

In case many of you haven't heard they is a schuduled organized protest today at the police station, starting at 4:00 PM. Remember if you choose to attend please, be civil, repectful and give the police no reason to break up our protest.

Joe Han was an educated, smart person. Let us not dishonor his memory by acting foolish, this helps no one. I say this because I know many of us have strong feelings regarding this matter and some of us let our emotions get the better of us.

Also if you go, please where a white shirt.

[Flowerlady1]

Alright, let's put it out there... When folks call for help for a loved one, (or anybody), to Mental Health, Treating Physician, Clergy, Fire Dept., you name it... and describe actions or conditions which may cause the person to possibly be a danger to themselves or others... ALL of them will tell you to 'Call the Cops.' Now, this is serious... they call US to respond to make contact and evaluate for that very criteria - 'Danger to self, or others.' Mental Health does not have strike teams. They take over when 'cops' have delivered the poor soul to them, in a controlled - and less threatening condition. That would be in cuffs or restraints, and most importantly - disarmed, with no objects in possession that could injure or kill. Then, and only then, do the "Proper Professionals" (as some of you have deemed...) take over.

Cops do train for these types of contacts. Due to every single one of these type of contacts being different, in so many, many ways, it is hard to imagine every scenario you will come up against. You just try to do the very best, but, be prepared for the very worst.

Always keep in mind, that it takes a very scary, threatening, and out of control situation to develop, before the average person turns to calling the police on a loved one, for help. By the time they resort to calling the cops, that all over terrible feeling of helplessness has taken place, and all other imaginable efforts have usually been exhausted. We as cops, thoroughly understand that fact.

As for the 'Big City Cops vs. Small City Cops'.... I'm gonna let ya in on sumthin'. We as FPD, we respond to calls that wouldn't even be considered by the 'Big Boys and Girls' in REAL Police Dept.'s. WE take em' all... Have too, because we try hard to be a FULL SERVICE responding agency - even though it has an impact at times, regarding officer safety!!!

Yep, ever notice why when them 'big city bad boyz..' come to our town and start makin' victims of our town folk or businesses, why we just work our tails off to corral 'em up and catch 'em. We don't take kindly to that type of behavior in these parts.... Kinda funny though, makes for good laughin'. Bunch of hap-hazard polks, catching a mean mess of them city-slickers... Hmmm, kinda chaps their hide, when we do it.

I have GOT to put my 2 cents worth in here: The police officers-almost to a person - are hard-working, caring, concerned, committed and compassionate people (I don't know them all, so I can't speak for those!). FPD is indeed a FULL-SERVICE department and they are REAL cops. Not pretend, not Paul Blart, not "Roscoe P. Coltrain" or "Enos" from Dukes of Hazzard (Speaking of coralling and chapping hides ); nor are they Walker, Texas Ranger, or Blade (the Vampire Slayer), or Dirty Harry. Many have come from big cities--like many of the civilians who moved here, and they are a long way from some small-town hick mentality that some here have implied. They don't pull their guns or draw down on someone lightly, nor without provocation. And the domestic calls are the WORST of the worst calls because the situations are fluid (That means they can change in an instant) and unpredictable and dangerous for ALL involved. I have police officers in my family, know others in FPD personally and professionally, and most of them are top-notch on every level. They ARE the first line of defense and the first on-scene even if another professional is called. This was tragic for all involved, not just the family. Those officers had to deal with someone who could not be restrained by any other means, who was threatening, not only to his family who called them, but to himself and to them. They, too, were deeply affected by this tragedy. Don't think otherwise.

BACK OFF ON THE REAMING ON COPS. They are the ones who will be called to your home in the event of an emergency, and you WILL want them there to get you out of whatever jam you're in. They are NOT the enemy. They are not the bush-wackers and sneaks and thieves they have been compared to here. This whole line of attack against law-enforcement and specifically the officers who work to PROTECT us is horrible, sad and pitiable and I find it upsetting in the extreme. When did "we" become so anti-law and anti-law enforcement?

[bordercolliefan]

Has there been any information on why Jospeh Han was acting so strangely? Was he known to have a drug problem or mental illness?

I agree with the posters who suggest that his family was obviously afraid of him. Evidently they knew he had a knife with him. It is a tragic outcome, but better than if he had gone on a rampage stabbing family members.

[Sue]

I just drove by the protest. It was very respectful and quite a good turnout.

[newsblaze]

I just drove by the protest. It was very respectful and quite a good turnout.

Police Support Peaceful Demonstration After Shooting

No extra information due to multiple ongoing investigations, but support from FPD.

[mac_convert]

I agree with your response too.

I have GOT to put my 2 cents worth in here: The police officers-almost to a person - are hard-working, caring, concerned, committed and compassionate people (I don't know them all, so I can't speak for those!). FPD is indeed a FULL-SERVICE department and they are REAL cops. Not pretend, not Paul Blart, not "Roscoe P. Coltrain" or "Enos" from Dukes of Hazzard (Speaking of coralling and chapping hides ); nor are they Walker, Texas Ranger, or Blade (the Vampire Slayer), or Dirty Harry. Many have come from big cities--like many of the civilians who moved here, and they are a long way from some small-town hick mentality that some here have implied. They don't pull their guns or draw down on someone lightly, nor without provocation. And the domestic calls are the WORST of the worst calls because the situations are fluid (That means they can change in an instant) and unpredictable and dangerous for ALL involved. I have police officers in my family, know others in FPD personally and professionally, and most of them are top-notch on every level. They ARE the first line of defense and the first on-scene even if another professional is called. This was tragic for all involved, not just the family. Those officers had to deal with someone who could not be restrained by any other means, who was threatening, not only to his family who called them, but to himself and to them. They, too, were deeply affected by this tragedy. Don't think otherwise.

BACK OFF ON THE REAMING ON COPS. They are the ones who will be called to your home in the event of an emergency, and you WILL want them there to get you out of whatever jam you're in. They are NOT the enemy. They are not the bush-wackers and sneaks and thieves they have been compared to here. This whole line of attack against law-enforcement and specifically the officers who work to PROTECT us is horrible, sad and pitiable and I find it upsetting in the extreme. When did "we" become so anti-law and anti-law enforcement?

[FolsomBarb]

BACK OFF ON THE REAMING ON COPS. They are the ones who will be called to your home in the event of an emergency, and you WILL want them there to get you out of whatever jam you're in. They are NOT the enemy. They are not the bush-wackers and sneaks and thieves they have been compared to here. This whole line of attack against law-enforcement and specifically the officers who work to PROTECT us is horrible, sad and pitiable and I find it upsetting in the extreme. When did "we" become so anti-law and anti-law enforcement?

I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree with you on this. Thanks for saying exactly what I was thinking.