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#256 mylo

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Posted 06 August 2006 - 08:40 AM

QUOTE(FiscalConservative @ Aug 5 2006, 01:56 PM) View Post

I see this guy still writes poorly! ... "..when things when were perfect" ...
Don't worry .. this thing doesn't have a chance to pass even in spite of the fact they are deceiving the voters by classifying this thing in such a way to require a simple majority vote for it to pass.


Why does it have no chance? Voters are suckers, and worse things have been passed before!
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Posted 06 August 2006 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE(FiscalConservative @ Aug 5 2006, 01:56 PM) View Post

I see this guy still writes poorly! ... "..when things when were perfect" ...



Thanks for the insult, I appreaciate it.

Read this, http://www.govtech.n...mp;issue=6:2006, and see if you think I write poorly.

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 09:04 AM

QUOTE(camay2327 @ Aug 4 2006, 01:21 PM) View Post

Did you see the article in todays SacBee?

Looks like they might have gotten the CART before the HORSE again.

It may take to long to clean the place up and they may still need to build out in the North Natomas area.

VOTE THIS THING DOWN FOLKS.... Sorry about the copy and paste.....

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http://www.sacbee.co...-15107097c.html

Arena site could jump off railyard
Ownership, toxics may yet thwart downtown deal.
By Mary Lynne Vellinga and Terri Hardy -- Bee Staff Writers
Published 12:01 am PDT Friday, August 4, 2006
If plans to build a new Kings arena in the downtown railyard run into problems, city and county leaders have agreed to look elsewhere, including North Natomas.

Revitalization of the dormant railyard is one of the key selling points that proponents plan to use when asking voters to adopt a new quarter-cent sales tax to pay for the arena.

They paint a picture in which people will ride Amtrak or light-rail trains to basketball games and concerts, catching a bite to eat or a drink while they're downtown.

On Thursday, leaders of the arena effort downplayed the idea that it would go anywhere else. But they acknowledged that the railyard presents a number of potential challenges: delays in an ownership transfer from Union Pacific Railroad, toxic contamination, and lack of streets, sewers and other infrastructure.

"The railyard site is, by far, the hardest place to negotiate a deal," said Sacramento Vice Mayor Rob Fong.

The information about alternative sites is contained in a list of deal points negotiated over the past few days between representatives of Sacramento city and county and the Maloofs, owners of the Kings.

This written list was produced at the request of the Sacramento County Board of Supervisors, which delayed its Wednesday vote putting the sales-tax measure on the ballot until it saw something from the Kings in writing.

The list is nonbinding and will serve as the blueprint for a more detailed "memorandum of understanding" between the public agencies and the Maloofs that is to be finished by Oct. 6.

It contains numerous exit clauses that graphically illustrate the many ways the deal still could collapse.

One way would be if the public agencies can't reach a deal with Thomas Enterprises, the Georgia firm developing the railyard.

During the next two months, even as they negotiate with the Maloofs on the arena, city and county representatives will try to negotiate an agreement with Thomas Enterprises, which is under contract to buy the railyard from Union Pacific.

The deal will include, among other things, a price for the land, an exact location for the arena, and the amount of parking that will be made available to the Maloofs. If that deal doesn't come together by early October, the whole arena proposal could fizzle.

Numerous sticking points could arise, including the exact location of the arena. Thomas Enterprises has placed the arena in the back of the railyard, anchoring a planned sports and entertainment district, but Fong said he and other city negotiators would like to see it closer to the Amtrak and Regional Transit light-rail station at Fifth and I streets.

"We want it within easy walking distance," Fong said.

Mayor Heather Fargo agreed. "My preference has always been to get it as close to our intermodal (train station) as possible," she said.

If an agreement with Thomas Enterprises is reached by early October, and if voters approve the sales-tax increase, the parties could still decide to look for alternative sites if the railyard land isn't under the control of the new, public joint powers authority building the arena by July 2007.

One of these alternatives could be on land around Arco Arena that is owned by the city and the Maloofs. Another could be at Cal Expo.

"It is our hope and expectation we won't have to use those alternatives, but we need to have them," said Paul Hahn, the county's director of economic development.

Everyone involved in the deal acknowledges that the railyard's recent history doesn't suggest that development can get done in a hurry.

One potential obstacle is that Thomas Enterprises doesn't even own the site yet. The firm announced two years ago that it had entered escrow with Union Pacific. But still, the deal has not closed.

"It's been Department of Defense-esque," said Fargo aide Chuck Dalldorf. "I've never celebrated anniversaries of escrow before."

So many deadlines have come and gone that Suheil Totah, the project manager for Thomas Enterprises, refuses to make any more predictions for when the sale will close. Union Pacific officials declined to comment this week.

But Totah said the sale will be finalized in time for the arena to to be built.

"It's not going to be an issue as far as the arena goes," Totah said. "We have control of the property and we will be closing on it."

Contamination by toxic metals and fluids dumped on the ground during the railyard's industrial heyday could also be a problem.

Between 2000 and 2002, excavators for Union Pacific dug up and hauled away about 500,000 tons of contaminated dirt. But another 200,000 to 300,000 tons remain, according to the state Department of Toxic Substances Control, which is overseeing the cleanup.

The general area Thomas Enterprises has designated for an arena contains piles of soil peppered with shreds of old insulation containing toxic asbestos.

Carol Singleton, spokeswoman for the toxics control department, said the piles would have to be removed before the arena could be built. Her department hasn't decided what should be done with them yet. They could potentially be hauled away, or buried onsite and capped.

Both Totah and state toxics officials expressed confidence that the cleanup could be finished in time for construction of the arena to begin. An arena would require a lower level of cleanup than other land uses, such as parks or single family homes.

"The goal of Union Pacific and the DTSC is to have the portion where the arena would go and quite a few of the other portions of the soil clean by 2007," said Paul Carpenter, a project manager for DTSC overseeing the railyard cleanup.

Totah said the cleaning of the yard has been a "slow" process under Union Pacific.

"The cleanup could have been done years ago, but it's been undergoing remediation on a slower schedule," Totah said.

Once a hub of heavy industry, the railyard lacks streets, parking garages, sewers, a modern electric system and other necessities for accommodating a major development such as an arena. Thomas Enterprises and the city of Sacramento estimate it will cost between $400 million and $500 million to install the needed infrastructure.

Specific funding sources have yet to be identified. The city has said it will contribute the money from selling 100 acres of land it owns next to Arco Arena. That money is being included in the estimated price tag of $470 million to $542 million for an arena.

Arena proponents acknowledge that the railyard presents a daunting set of obstacles. But they say it also offers far more potential to revitalize the city than a more suburban facility such as Arco.

"The railyards development is really the prize here," said John Dangberg, assistant Sacramento city manager for economic development. "It's a five and a half billion-dollar project we're trying to get off the ground. The arena really does act as a driver to move it along."

BREAKING DOWN THE ARENA DEAL
Arena negotiators in July released deal points of the funding plan. This week, negotiators in a marathon session fleshed out that initial agreement. Here are some of the new provisions:

• Arena: A 17,000- to 18,000-seat state-of-the-art facility comparable in quality to arenas in Memphis, Charlotte, Indianapolis and Houston. Square footage would be about the same as the Memphis FedEx arena, but with administrative offices inside, not in a free-standing building. Other amenities: 50-60 luxury suites; 3,000 to 5,000 club seats; appropriate training facilities and two practice courts.

• Joint powers authority: Other incorporated cities in the county might join Sacramento and the county in ownership of the arena.

• Parking: A parking structure with enclosed walkways or bridges connecting to the arena. The number of spaces has yet to be determined.

• Location: Downtown's Union Pacific railyard. If that plan falls through, the parties would look at alternative sites including North Natomas.

• Design: The city and county will give the Kings a list of three nationally recognized architects with experience in building arenas; Kings will make the final choice.

• Kings contribution: Kings will pay $20 million when construction begins. That money could be used for capital repairs or any other purpose.

• Possessory interest tax: In lieu of property taxes, the JPA will pay a tax based on the lease value. The yearly amount has not yet been determined.

• Natomas land: Kings own 85 acres in North Natomas on the site of Arco Arena and the city owns 100 adjacent acres. Parking for the arena is on the border, with some land owned by the city and some land owned by Maloof Sports and Entertainment. An agreement allowing the city and the Maloofs to each use that common area would be nullified, allowing the areas to be sold or developed by each side, unencumbered by the agreement.

• Exit clauses: There are a host of provisions or deadlines that must be met, or the arena deal will fall apart. They include: The city and county conclude the arena's projected costs are too great; North Natomas land restrictions are not erased; the proposed arena site is not acceptable or is not under control of the city, county or JPA by July 1, 2007.

-- Terri Hardy


Lets see....the politicians rush to put a sales tax on the Ballot to build a downtown Arena....stressing the benefits of revitalizing downtown with a sports Arena...... only they say its not for a specifc purpose....so they can avoid the 2/3 rds requirements that the voters passed with proposition 218. Then they still don't have a memorandum of understanding signed yet for the tennants for the Arena....that they aren't specifically building with this tax. Now....if they have too....the politicians left wiggle room to move the Arena ( that they aren't specifically building with this tax) to another location other than Downtown.

The minor detail of NOT owning the land that is to be developed....is something to work out after they have our tax dollars....if one can even build there due to environmenal concerns.

Also, the politicians are collecting twice as much in taxes as needed to build the Arena that they aren't dedicating the taxes towards....saying they will return the money back to communities......however, IF....citizens want they can ask the BOS to eliminate the tax later....after the Arena that isn't being specifically being built with this tax....is built!

Those of you who still can't wait to throw your tax dollars towards this cause....please send me a PM as I know a guy who is selling Ocean front property in Nevada and I'm sure he would love to talk to you!




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Posted 07 August 2006 - 09:49 AM

QUOTE(c_vanderveen @ Aug 6 2006, 10:26 AM) View Post

Thanks for the insult, I appreaciate it.


You mean that you "appreciate" it. guitar.gif
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Posted 07 August 2006 - 09:56 AM

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You mean that you "appreciate" it. guitar.gif


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Posted 07 August 2006 - 10:39 AM

Did you see the Editorial: Arena Mutterings in the SacBee today.

http://www.sacbee.co...-15120550c.html

Editorial: Arena mutterings
Without key details, we all talk to ourselves

Published 12:01 am PDT Monday, August 7, 2006
Sacramento's Great Arena Debate finds itself in a strange period of suspended animation. County supervisors have placed a sales tax increase on the November ballot that they say would be spent on a downtown arena and on community improvements countywide. But there is no binding deal with the Maloof family, owners of the Sacramento Kings, which will be the primary tenants of the arena. And there might not be one until days before voters have to finally decide. And as of yet, there are no firm agreements by the county to share any of this sales tax money (a quarter-cent over 15 years).

So at this point, there is about a third of the proverbial loaf to chew on. That's the ripple effect of the Kings holding out to the very last minute before finally agreeing to a deal that could have, and should have, been signed a long time ago.

With so little of substance to discuss, people tend to mutter, or worse. So as we wait for further enlightenment on this whole sales tax, arena, community spending idea, mutter away with us:

So is this a good deal for the Maloofs?

Of course it is. The public pays to build a half-billion-dollar arena. The Maloofs pay some rent, but make way more than that with the concessions and naming rights, not to mention parking. But what exactly did you expect?

I was wanting something a little fairer.

Helloooo. Earth to Sacramento: Welcome to the National Basketball Association. This is how NBA arena deals are trending. You want fair? Go to eBay.

So does this mean this is a bad deal?

Well, that depends on your personal priorities. Would you like Sacramento to have a cool downtown with an arena?

Well, yes.

Well, in concept so would we.

So why don't we just build an arena?

Ah, and if we build it they will come, just like in the movies?

Exactly.

Sorry, but life isn't the movies. If you want a big-league team to play in a downtown arena, you better have a deal with that team.

But I don't like this deal.

We don't blame you, but that's not the question. The question is, does it pass your smell test? Look closely at your hand and its appendages. They are ingeniously designed to perform various useful functions, including holding one's nose in certain circumstances and waving good-bye in others.

But this financing confuses me. The supervisors say they will use this new sales tax to build an arena and provide new funds to local governments. On the other hand, they aren't promising anything. I don't trust them.

If the supervisors legally promised you how they would spend this money, this sales tax proposal would require approval by two-thirds of the voters. If the supervisors don't make a legal promise but just hint at how they would spend it, they need only a majority of voters to say OK. This makes no sense. But it is the law, one they did not write.

You know, I love the Kings, but maybe we should just let them leave. We still have Arco.

Oh no, we don't. The Maloofs own Arco. The Maloofs, were they to leave town, could make millions by tearing the thing down and selling the land to a housing developer. That would be easier than running an arena that doesn't have a basketball team.

Would they really do that?

Hellooo. Earth to Sacramento again. We're talking about the NBA, remember? This is the real choice here: You can swallow your distrust of the supervisors, pass this sales tax and be pretty sure that Sacramento will keep the Kings; or you can reject the tax and risk losing both Sacramento's basketball teams and Arco.

I don't like the choice.

Get used to the feeling.

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 10:49 PM

Now for the realty of what an arean means to the Sacramento area, our future, and where our region could be headed read the following letter to the Bee this morning. The choice is really if you want to go backwards as a community or progress to the opportunity that we have to create a vibrant downtown, surrounded by communities that are unique but contributing to regional pride. I for one who has lived in both coasts, the Bay Area, and now in Folsom (and work downtown) am excited by what both the arena, business interests, and our local families/communities are creating in this entire region. The Arena does contribute greatly to that and let's get behind that effort...

http://www.sacbee.co...-15120551c.html - "Vote is about regional potential, not 'arena deal'":

By Warren Smith -- Special to The Bee

Sacramento and the surrounding region are evolving from a place to live into an exciting place to live -- and an exciting place to want to live. There are many reasons for this transformation, but undeniably one of them is a heightened national profile.
Do the Kings and Monarchs as professional sports franchises contribute to Sacramento's recently enhanced national status? You bet they do.

But to boil Sacramento's appeal down to just the Kings and the Monarchs is as simplistic and misleading as obsessively focusing on another couple of words -- "arena" and "deal."
The bigger picture behind the upcoming November election -- when voters will decide the fate of Measures Q and R, a quarter-cent sales tax increase and an advisory measure on how to spend the proceeds -- is in real danger of being erased by a bitter recital of what woulda-coulda-shoulda transpired during recent negotiations, i.e. the "arena deal."

And even that discussion ignores key factors:

• Sacramento's presence is growing on the national market, but it simply isn't a Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago or Philadelphia -- all homes of privately funded sports venues in top media markets that result in lucrative television contracts.

• There's absolutely no guarantee that Maloof Sports and Entertainment's management of a new sports and entertainment facility would turn a profit. In fact, MSE and the Kings have lost money at Arco Arena in past years. Other teams playing in newer arenas, such as Memphis, Indianapolis, Charlotte and San Antonio, also control revenues from events. It's a financial reality from team owners' perspective.

• The project cost of a proposed sports and entertainment facility in Sacramento (estimated at $470 million) is roughly double that of other projects in the same four cities. Consider the cost of living in cities such as Memphis, Indianapolis or Charlotte versus the cost of living in virtually any location in California. That, combined with the recent and dramatic rise in construction material costs, results in a higher percentage contribution from public funding, when viewed as a stand-alone measure.

So yes, if approved, Measure Q could result in mostly public monies being spent to build a new sports and entertainment complex at Sacramento's downtown railyards that would become the home of the Kings and Monarchs for the next 30 years. That's exciting for sports fans, but not nearly as exciting as what else happens.

This construction would jump-start a $4.5 billion urban redevelopment of the now barren downtown railyards. Imagine an extension of a dynamic downtown core with an 18,000-seat arena, host to national and international conventions; housing for more than 10,000 people; and new restaurants, museums and public plazas. This potential puts us in a better position to attract the attention of investors, employers and people everywhere in search of opportunity.

And also consider what happens off a field or court. Enjoy a Triple-A Baseball River Cats game at Raley Field and you'll often see an old friend, meet a business colleague or run across a neighbor. The Kings' NBA presence magnifies this effect, connecting residents from throughout our region regardless of ethnicity, income or class.

As the most diverse community in the country, do we really want to throw away something that brings us together despite where we live, what we do or who we are?

Again, the Kings and Monarchs are in the foreground of a bigger picture. Our region is on the verge of attaining an entirely new level of national prominence and potential. This should not only include a sports venue, but also the ability to attract nationally touring concerts, conventions and events, some of which now pass up Arco Arena because of its age and limitations.

The narrow debate on the "arena deal" obscures even more. Roughly half the revenue from the quarter-cent sales tax increase would also be shared with Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, Folsom, Galt, Isleton and Rancho Cordova. This could bring each city millions of dollars to spend on local priorities, including parks, road improvements to relieve congestion, police officers and libraries.

Even with all that, there are many who believe, say and write that our community leaders should have held out for a better "arena deal." So how long will we have to wait for this perfect deal while the Kings and Monarchs pack up and leave, while Arco is redeveloped into offices, and while we drive by and watch the railyards remain idle another year?

Let's transform our potential into a prosperous reality rather than extinguishing the momentum carrying our region forward. Join me in supporting our Sacramento region by voting Yes on Measures Q and R.




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Posted 08 August 2006 - 06:28 AM

QUOTE(billsfan @ Aug 7 2006, 11:49 PM) View Post

Now for the realty of what an arean means to the Sacramento area, our future, and where our region could be headed read the following letter to the Bee this morning. The choice is really if you want to go backwards as a community or progress to the opportunity that we have to create a vibrant downtown, surrounded by communities that are unique but contributing to regional pride. I for one who has lived in both coasts, the Bay Area, and now in Folsom (and work downtown) am excited by what both the arena, business interests, and our local families/communities are creating in this entire region. The Arena does contribute greatly to that and let's get behind that effort...

http://www.sacbee.co...-15120551c.html - "Vote is about regional potential, not 'arena deal'":

By Warren Smith -- Special to The Bee

Sacramento and the surrounding region are evolving from a place to live into an exciting place to live -- and an exciting place to want to live. There are many reasons for this transformation, but undeniably one of them is a heightened national profile.
Do the Kings and Monarchs as professional sports franchises contribute to Sacramento's recently enhanced national status? You bet they do.

But to boil Sacramento's appeal down to just the Kings and the Monarchs is as simplistic and misleading as obsessively focusing on another couple of words -- "arena" and "deal."
The bigger picture behind the upcoming November election -- when voters will decide the fate of Measures Q and R, a quarter-cent sales tax increase and an advisory measure on how to spend the proceeds -- is in real danger of being erased by a bitter recital of what woulda-coulda-shoulda transpired during recent negotiations, i.e. the "arena deal."

And even that discussion ignores key factors:

• Sacramento's presence is growing on the national market, but it simply isn't a Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago or Philadelphia -- all homes of privately funded sports venues in top media markets that result in lucrative television contracts.

• There's absolutely no guarantee that Maloof Sports and Entertainment's management of a new sports and entertainment facility would turn a profit. In fact, MSE and the Kings have lost money at Arco Arena in past years. Other teams playing in newer arenas, such as Memphis, Indianapolis, Charlotte and San Antonio, also control revenues from events. It's a financial reality from team owners' perspective.

• The project cost of a proposed sports and entertainment facility in Sacramento (estimated at $470 million) is roughly double that of other projects in the same four cities. Consider the cost of living in cities such as Memphis, Indianapolis or Charlotte versus the cost of living in virtually any location in California. That, combined with the recent and dramatic rise in construction material costs, results in a higher percentage contribution from public funding, when viewed as a stand-alone measure.

So yes, if approved, Measure Q could result in mostly public monies being spent to build a new sports and entertainment complex at Sacramento's downtown railyards that would become the home of the Kings and Monarchs for the next 30 years. That's exciting for sports fans, but not nearly as exciting as what else happens.

This construction would jump-start a $4.5 billion urban redevelopment of the now barren downtown railyards. Imagine an extension of a dynamic downtown core with an 18,000-seat arena, host to national and international conventions; housing for more than 10,000 people; and new restaurants, museums and public plazas. This potential puts us in a better position to attract the attention of investors, employers and people everywhere in search of opportunity.

And also consider what happens off a field or court. Enjoy a Triple-A Baseball River Cats game at Raley Field and you'll often see an old friend, meet a business colleague or run across a neighbor. The Kings' NBA presence magnifies this effect, connecting residents from throughout our region regardless of ethnicity, income or class.

As the most diverse community in the country, do we really want to throw away something that brings us together despite where we live, what we do or who we are?

Again, the Kings and Monarchs are in the foreground of a bigger picture. Our region is on the verge of attaining an entirely new level of national prominence and potential. This should not only include a sports venue, but also the ability to attract nationally touring concerts, conventions and events, some of which now pass up Arco Arena because of its age and limitations.

The narrow debate on the "arena deal" obscures even more. Roughly half the revenue from the quarter-cent sales tax increase would also be shared with Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, Folsom, Galt, Isleton and Rancho Cordova. This could bring each city millions of dollars to spend on local priorities, including parks, road improvements to relieve congestion, police officers and libraries.

Even with all that, there are many who believe, say and write that our community leaders should have held out for a better "arena deal." So how long will we have to wait for this perfect deal while the Kings and Monarchs pack up and leave, while Arco is redeveloped into offices, and while we drive by and watch the railyards remain idle another year?

Let's transform our potential into a prosperous reality rather than extinguishing the momentum carrying our region forward. Join me in supporting our Sacramento region by voting Yes on Measures Q and R.



Excellent. But here's what the naysayers will naysay: "But, but the poor!" "But the schools!" "I don't use it, so screw off." "The Maloofs can afford to build it themselves." "I like the small town feel." "How can you support this if you claim to be a conservative?"

Did I miss any?

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:31 AM

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Excellent. But here's what the naysayers will naysay: "But, but the poor!" "But the schools!" "I don't use it, so screw off." "The Maloofs can afford to build it themselves." "I like the small town feel." "How can you support this if you claim to be a conservative?"

Did I miss any?

Yes

"I don't want to pay millions of dollars for a new place for millionares to play a stupid game"

"Because I don't like sports, I am unwilling to see the value a professional sports franchis brings to a city"

"I am foolish, and think that if we refuse to pay for it, the Maloof's will see the light and build it themselves, ignoring the offers from other cities, because they love Sacramento so much. They'll never leave."

"I believe we should put up a proposal to raise the same amount of taxes, but exempt the poor from paying it, then, once collected, we give it to the poor. They won't be poor anymore, and we'll all feel great"


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Posted 08 August 2006 - 08:36 AM

You forgot

"I just don't care, but I don't want to pay another $15/mo to an inept government!"

($15 is based on a news estimate of an average $5 dollars tax per person per month, boosted 50% because I spend more than "average" for the county, and doubled for a married couple)
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Posted 08 August 2006 - 09:17 AM

You also forgot, "I've lived here X-number of years before the Kings were here and everything was fine. We'll be fine again without a professional basketball team."

and

"I don't like change."

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 09:18 AM

..and..

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Posted 08 August 2006 - 03:05 PM

don't just listen to us myfolsomites --

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/


The emperor is naked, people

Many years ago there lived an emperor who was quite an average fairy tale ruler, with one exception: he cared much about his clothes. One day he heard from two swindlers named Guido and Luigi Farabutto that they could make the finest suit of clothes from the most beautiful cloth. This cloth, they said, also had the special capability that it was invisible to anyone who was either stupid or not fit for his position.

Being a bit nervous about whether he himself would be able to see the cloth, the emperor first sent two of his trusted men to see it. Of course, neither would admit that they could not see the cloth and so praised it. All the townspeople had also heard of the cloth and were interested to learn how stupid their neighbors were.

The emperor then allowed himself to be dressed in the clothes for a procession through town, never admitting that he was too unfit and stupid to see what he was wearing. For he was afraid that the other people would think that he was stupid.

Of course, all the townspeople wildly praised the magnificent clothes of the emperor, afraid to admit that they could not see them, until his son, the prince, said:

"But he has nothing on "!

This was whispered from person to person until everyone in the crowd was shouting that the emperor had nothing on. The emperor heard it and felt that they were correct, but held his head high and finished the procession. Guido and Luigi escaped during the procession when they realized they had been found out.


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Posted 08 August 2006 - 03:17 PM

• Sacramento's presence is growing on the national market, but it simply isn't a Los Angeles, San Francisco, Chicago or Philadelphia -- all homes of privately funded sports venues in top media markets that result in lucrative television contracts.

Ah, since we're uglier than the other people at the prom, we have to bribe our dates to take us to the dance. Nice reason.

• There's absolutely no guarantee that Maloof Sports and Entertainment's management of a new sports and entertainment facility would turn a profit. In fact, MSE and the Kings have lost money at Arco Arena in past years. Other teams playing in newer arenas, such as Memphis, Indianapolis, Charlotte and San Antonio, also control revenues from events. It's a financial reality from team owners' perspective.

Huh? I guess people do figure we're a cow-town since we buy into this bull.

• The project cost of a proposed sports and entertainment facility in Sacramento (estimated at $470 million) is roughly double that of other projects in the same four cities. Consider the cost of living in cities such as Memphis, Indianapolis or Charlotte versus the cost of living in virtually any location in California. That, combined with the recent and dramatic rise in construction material costs, results in a higher percentage contribution from public funding, when viewed as a stand-alone measure.

The cost of living is higher here, the taxpayers have less disposable income, yet we're supposed to willingly give it up to buy profit insurance for a company that can afford the risk all on their own. No thanks
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#270 Robert Giacometti

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 04:11 PM

Does anyone know how long the naming rights to Arco Arena....belong to Arco? Is this something they pay for on an annual basis or did they buy a predetermined amount of years

I'm just curious as to wether this information should be factored into the Ballot measure.

I heard from an informed source....that there was some polling done on this Ballot measure and that it was NOT faring very well. It sounds like the number opposed to the Sales Tax increase may have gone up. I didn't ask who did the poll....but I suspect it was private.




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