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[cybertrano]

welcome to myfolsom.com .

i don't consider the posts here as complaining and whining as you stated. we are here because we care about what is going on in the city.

two points
1) GROW UP!!
if you don't want to visit a store don't visit it.
Sutter street needs all the business it can get . It is not a Family center it is a street of restaurants and antique shops. Nothing for kids anyway so what's the big deal?
2) why show the Opera House for this story. I work in the Opera House (office upstairs at the back) and we have nothing to do with this new store so why show the picture?

What this street really needs is a nice big casino to bring it back to the street as it was. A couple of horse dealers, a few saloons and a brothel or two would make it just like it was in the gold rush days or am I missing the point of "historic Folsom".

I have lived and worked here for the past 7 seven years and in that time all I have seen is complauints and whinges about how the street is failing. No wonder its failing, nobody wants anything here that will bring business.

[Steve Heard]

Forumreader has had some good questions that Sam and Misty don't seem to want to answer.  That leads me to believe that the items they plan to sell really do require a back room.  I wonder if the store is approved, who will be able to draw the lines about what is in the back room and what is in the front window.  Once they're in, the owners' interpretation of porn is all that is necessary.  I think the business owners on Sutter Street do have some real concerns.  It's getting more and more difficult to spend time at those businesses, and this would just be one more reason to go elsewhere in Folsom.

Sam and Misty:  why don't you consider a shop that would be supported by a majority of the residents?

Tessie

You bring up some good points, but....

I think the Dufour's were indeed tired at the end of a long day. Perhaps they'll list a little of their inventory later. I saw Misty at the Chamber mixer last night. They had been at the shop since 630am, and when I left at 7pm, she was still taking to folks about her business. I don't think they have internet access at their store, so may have to wait until late to reply.

You said, "That leads me to believe they do need a back room". Of course they do! That's why they have one. They know that adult items are inappropriate for display in the windows or out in the open.

I do agree that the Sutter merchants have some real concerns. Some have real concerns that they are losing business. Some hope that a new business will open up and draw in more customers. I think this place will become a destination store for nice upscale lady shoppers, not perverts in raincoats.

I can't speak for them, but I'll tell you what they told me: Their novelty items include body lotions and oils, games, flavored body paints, books on intimacy, bachelorette party type gifts. They will not be selling porno mags and books or videos. You can buy those elsewhere in Folsom.

I think they should be given a chance. They might help revitalize Sutter Street and becomse valuable members of the community. If I end up being wrong, I'll take the heat, and without enough raincoated perverts, the place will go out of business.

[Orangetj]

two points
1) GROW UP!!
if you don't want to visit a store don't visit it.
Sutter street needs all the business it can get . It is not a Family center it is a street of restaurants and antique shops. Nothing for kids anyway so what's the big deal?
2) why show the Opera House for this story. I work in the Opera House (office upstairs at the back) and we have nothing to do with this new store so why show the picture?

What this street really needs is a nice big casino to bring it back to the street as it was. A couple of horse dealers, a few saloons and a brothel or two would make it just like it was in the gold rush days or am I missing the point of "historic Folsom".

I have lived and worked here for the past 7 seven years and in that time all I have seen is complauints and whinges about how the street is failing. No wonder its failing, nobody wants anything here that will bring business.

Great points! Sutter Street currently seems to be populated with shops that appeal to a very narrow segment of our community - those who enjoy perusing antique and collectible shops. I've heard people make statements to the effect that "this kind of shop wouldn't be found in Nantucket or Carmel". So what? This isn't Nantucket! Up until very recently, Folsom seemed to have had the feeling of an old frontier gold-rush town, which is exactly what it was. If it were up to me, I'd rather make Folsom feel like Sutter Creek, Jackson or Nevada City than some snooty town filled with people who think they're "above" having a shop in their town that cates to a desire that virtually ALL people have - sex. Why do some feel the need to try to make Folsom seem like something it isn't? This is not some enclave of the wealthy or a summer home paradise. Look around - Folsom is filled with people of all different income levels and from all walks of life and I'll be willing to bet there are many more "middle income" people here than there are truly wealthy folks. If not, we wouldn't have the endless tracts of midsize cookie cutter homes. This is in stark contrast to Martha's Vineyard, Carmel, Nantucket or any other wealthy "hideaway" town. I'm all for having a historic district that recalls the excitement and feel of the gold rush era, and IMO that entails more than just a limited range of "boutique" shops.

The owners of Ms. Teaz have made pretty clear statements about what they intend to sell - fancy lingerie up front and sex toys/games/novelties in the back behind a door. Big deal! It sure doesn't sound like they have any intention of lining their window displays with dildos and inflatable love dolls. To ask for an inventory of what they'll sell seems silly to me. How would you really even know what the products listed are and in what context they'll be displayed? (Hmmm...I see you'll have a 4" jelly filled vibromatic, part number 17589-A...THAT'S where I draw the line!)

Most likely, any kids walking down the street with their parents will have no idea what's in the back and no interest in going into the store in the first place. I remember quite vividly being a young boy and being absolutely mortified that my mother wanted to stop by Victoria's Secret when I was at the mall with her. In fact, I would just sit outside the store because it was too "embarassing" to go in. I was just as curious as any boy, but I certainly didn't want to be seen in a lingerie shop!

Rant over.

[Adamal]

welcome to myfolsom.com .

i don't consider the posts here as complaining and whining as you stated.  we are here because we care about what is going  on in the city. 

That is why I love living here. People care.

[jen]

Be realistic. Most people in Folsom have families, and that means if they go to Sutter Street their kids go with them. If one shop scares away more families that would be bad for the rest of the businesses. Other stores that have tried to exclude kids have failed in Folsom 'cause it's such a family place.

[MsTeaz]

Came by home to get some things, and I thought look at the postings. The two key nuggets that I am gathering since last night are that there still continues to be a person on here with photo who appears to be argumentative whatever the cause. I did alway steer away from these select few at AR - they spent a lot of time in politics (dipute courses) and I'm gathing this is the case here. We don't have a whole of of time to better people's debating skills (and we do seriously appologize for taking this stand). As for the other request to itemize our inventory, we have been advised that this is to be our last posting. Steve is correct and he has seen our VERY soft hearted items which are to be in the back room (today and always). Everyone else is still very welcome to come by, look, and ask questions (if we can now answer) if they wish. This is all out of our hands now. Best wishes to you all - and please be kinder to next week's target.

[slowthegrowth]

"As for the other request to itemize our inventory, we have been advised that this is to be our last posting."

:-(

[Adamal]

Be realistic.  Most people in Folsom have families, and that means if they go to Sutter Street their kids go with them.  If one shop scares away more families that would be bad for the rest of the businesses.  Other stores that have tried to exclude kids have failed in Folsom 'cause it's such a family place.

Do you take your kids to the Mall? If so then I'm sure they've passed by a few Lingerie shops before. I don't think a Lingerie shop is going to drive many people away.

[bordercolliefan]

Obviously they are being advised by lawyers now.

Where there's smoke there's usually fire... I can't help thinking there is a bit more at issue here than scented lotions and body paints...

Although the proprietors are complaining mightily about the local "lynch mob," I believe the democratic process has worked, and will work, just right here. I have a feeling that without the public outcry and the City Council's involvement, the store's inventory would have been a bit more explicit than most citizens of Folsom want on Sutter St. Now that the owners know the residents' level of concern, they will be able to tailor their inventory to items that will be welcomed in the community -- while still having a very successful and much-welcomed store. Sounds like the right result to me...

[Adamal]

All I can say is that it looks like it will be a fine addition to the area.

[slowthegrowth]

The sad face was because they aren't going to be posting here any longer. I understand that some folks have been a bit.....skeptical. It's too bad that they felt chased off.

[Erika]

I have received a call back from the city and have returned their call but have not talked with them directly. I had sent this email and the reply is below.

"Eric,
I understand there is a big debate going on about the new store opening
on Sutter St. I wanted to find out what types of items are going to be
sold there. Is it going to be lingerie with a few adult "toys" in the
back and behind curtains? I've heard people say whips and chains will
be included with that. I'm trying to get a better understanding of what
type of store this is going to be."

Ericka,

I am told that the plan is to include everything that you mentioned.
City staff is meeting with the applicant and getting more info.

Regards,

Eric

[Adamal]

The sad face was because they aren't going to be posting here any longer.  I understand that some folks have been a bit.....skeptical.  It's too bad that they felt chased off.

I think too many people started jumping to conclusions and rumors spread. Thats why I try to get information from the source before I attack someone.

[Steve Heard]

I have received a call back from the city and have returned their call but have not talked with them directly.  I had sent this email and the reply is below.

"Eric,
I understand there is a big debate going on about the new store opening
on Sutter St.  I wanted to find out what types of items are going to be
sold there.  Is it going to be lingerie with a few adult "toys" in the
back and behind curtains?  I've heard people say whips and chains will
be included with that.  I'm trying to get a better understanding of what
type of store this is going to be."

Ericka,

I am told that the plan is to include everything that you mentioned.
City staff is meeting with the applicant and getting more info.

Regards,

Eric

Erika

So what? Are whips and chains illegal or immoral? In my lifetime both my wife and I have been given gifts, gag or otherwise, of handcuffs, a whip, a little cat 'o nine tails, oils, lotions, games, etc., basically the stuff that Ms. Teaz is planning to sell. I was never offended by any of it, and found it to be harmless. At my age, the 'novelty' has worn off, buyt that doesn't mean others don't have the right to sell or possess such things.

If this is the kind of stuff that will be in the back room, who cares? Why does anyone care what is in someone's back room? As long as they aren't doing anything illegal, I don't care what they do.

[Steve Heard]

One more thing:

I know there have been many complaining about the store, many simply opposed to adult things on Sutter, some opposed to ladies unmentionables being displayed anywhere, and some because of rumors.

I wonder how many people are willing to step up and sign the petition at their store. I wonder how many are willing to contact City Hall, the Chamber, and/or the Merchant's Association to express their support.

I know that not all merchants are opposed to them. Several have offered encouragement and support. One even wrote the petition.

I think the fear may be subsiding, and people are starting to accept these folks.

I know that the tattoo parlor on Natoma faced similar opposition because of the belief that criminals would hang out there (they all have tattoos, you know).

I understand that Planet Earth Rising had their own troubles because they carry items from different religions and spiritual viewpoints.

sigh..