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[supermom]

That is a little over the top, don't you think?

Too strong? Do you think the slams against Bush W. have been too strong?

What is wrong with a person having strong beliefs?

Steve has strong beliefs. Are you going to question his posts too?

I'm not afraid to call Obama a traitor. He has been called that on this forum before, in so many words and in plain words, as I have used here. Yes, I believe Obama is selling the United States out! I think, as one person put it, "He's giving away the farm!" So it's not a new statement, by any means. Is plain speaking just too hard to bare now?

Bush has been called a traitor as well. By me and others who thought he acted in ways that harmed this country and it's citizens. You probably did't defend him as that statement being too strong, did you?

Our president is supposed to act in all ways to protect the interest of this country. Not have secret meetings and be bent to the will of other leaders from other countries because he wants everything to be nicey nicey, and he be thought of as a leader willing to compromise.

In some matters, there can be no compromise. Not when it involves the lives of my children and their future.

There was no compromise when Obama rammed through his National Health Care, was there?
Unless I missed something, it was said we had to pass the bill to get to see what was in it. That was very strong action by Obama, and he didn't care if the voters agreed with him or not.

He acted in a "Kingly" manner, and not a presidential one.

Why are so many refusing to see where this county is going and what it's going to mean for future generations? And our own kids?

Hope you won't mind your kids living with you until they are forty, because they can't support themselves and still pay the taxes for all the social services Obama wants to push down our throats. Guess I forgot for a moment that Obama is going to make it possible for everyone to have the same things and live in the same kind of housing, if they work or not, or have spent years getting educated or not. Flat screen TVs and smart phones for everybody! The good thing is, you can now pay for your childrens health care insurance until they are 26! Lucky you and lucky them! Talk about a Nanny law!

Sorry if I offend you by being a strong woman and express what I feel. And yes, I agree it's NOT politically correct.

But I won't apologize for my posts here or my beliefs.

At first I was beginning to think that your posts were a form of racism and that you were attacking the Presidents character as a deflection of your personal agenda towards racism.

Then I thought perhaps it was a misplaced rage over the disappointments of political figures stepping in and speaking calming platitudes to the masses; instead of allowing the criminal justice system to grind through an investigation without any direct responses to a communities questions on safety, and state laws and policies.

I think your messages may not seem what they are, but it is concerning. Why not leave race and the political parading out of the dicussion and just talk about the crime, the evidence, witnesses, forensics, and criminal process? Just acknowledge that even a president has a right to an opinion?

[supermom]

Sorry you are having trouble understanding where my posts are going.

If you read the posts of others, on this thread, you might get a hint.

For one thing, racism was the main intent on the reporting of this incident from day one, when Zimmerman was wrongly reported to be a white male, having killed an unarmed black teenager with a gun. They were looking for headlines that would sell, and they got plenty of sales and ratings.

Trayvon's picture, taken when he was age fourteen, was pasted all over all main stream news stations.

And then our commander and chief made his comment which just added fuel to the fire and brought out almost every criminal to seek vengeance for Trayvon, which resulted in many whites being targeted by groups of blacks and beaten. Some ended up in the hospital or dead. But those incidents were left mostly unreported.

This case has to be tried in a court of law with all the evidence that can be found. I, nor anybody here, can say for sure what happened.

I think I stated very clearly that my main beef was what Obama said to reporters and how it effected the masses, causing more violence and racial divide. Not something that hasn't been said by many others here, if you have kept up with the postings.

Now, to be fair, why don't you address your concerns with my reasoning to those who have basically said the same thing. Or is your main concern defending Steve?

He's a big boy, by the way, and does a pretty good job of defending himself...in case you hadn't noticed.

I think that the most disturbing part of all your posts is that you can't see how you have become an agent of KKK by promulgating all this anger. Why does it matter to you that the man is hispanic and not white? Why do you keep making it crystal clear in all your posts that you are a white, older woman and think you are being taken advantage of by the masses of minorities? Your pity fest or self-victimization , or reverse racism, whatever you want to call it, is very harmful to living peacefully within a society that values diversity. I dont care that you are white. I dont care that you care that you are white. I dont and wont describe you in such a way. it bothers me immensely that your smug comments are so harmful then you go back and deflect your responses. People, like you, are the reason that people like Trayvon's parents worry that when their children step out of their home that they wont be treated well by a world that legally is color blind and socially color inept.

Over and over I have stated that this thread is disturbing. Its gone too far.

[supermom]

I think YOU are the one who has gone too far!!!

An agent of the KKK? Really? That is a very strong and over the top accusation! I'd like an apology and a retraction of that statement!!! There was no call for that!

Sorry, but there is already a lot of anger before this thread went up, by those who think that Trayvon's death should be avenged by blacks beating the crap out of white people whenever they get the chance. It was started by the news media with false reporting. Then Obama had to make his statement.....But, I know you don't care to talk about that, although it is the main topic of this thread.

These days I'M afraid to go outside in broad day light by myself! I am now afraid to wear any gold jewelry, so I wear silver. I detest violence of any kind! You really have your nerve trying to make me look like some kind of white supremacist!

I am done posting replies to you as you clearly don't want to talk about this issue and have no respect for me, with your wild and disrespectful accusations.

If you feel this thread is too stressful, why do you continue to click on it!

Nobody is making you!!!!

Really? You are afraid to go outside in your good jewelry?

ha ahahaha!!!

Your car is probably worth more than your jewelery and a lot easier to chop and resell.

These are exactly the wild, racist motivated statements that get people revved up and causes a breakdown in society. You are certainly not trying to view things from an objective 3rd person light. First you make off-color remarks about the president being qualified and state he is a traitor because of a book about his childhood and how he became a man. Then you propagate your anger about the media mis-identifying one of the people involved in the shooting as Hispanic and not white and you continue to say you are offended by that. Then you get onto another thread and start show boating about the end of the world because non whites are threatening your way of life. And now you claim that you are afraid to wear your jewelry in public because 3,000 miles away people are killing other people in protest to the way Trayvon died.

If you detest violenece so much then stop inciting it. Your racist comments, your racist links to hate filled propaganda, your nonsense deflections. You arent on here to talk about the media and their coverage of a story. You are on here to scream about how unfair it is that you live in a world where you are afraid to wear your jewelry because only black thugs 3,000 miles away who are hell bent on justice could ever threaten the safety of your jewelry.

And I kept coming onto this thread to talk about the crime, not Maxines fear of walking around with jewelry. I can't believe you really said that. Its almost straight out of the KKK handbook of things to say to recruit more haters.

[The Average Joe]

Enough. Everyone stop the personal attacks and stick to the topic.

[Priscilla]

I think that the most disturbing part of all your posts is that you can't see how you have become an agent of KKK by promulgating all this anger. Why does it matter to you that the man is hispanic and not white? Why do you keep making it crystal clear in all your posts that you are a white, older woman and think you are being taken advantage of by the masses of minorities? Your pity fest or self-victimization , or reverse racism, whatever you want to call it, is very harmful to living peacefully within a society that values diversity. I dont care that you are white. I dont care that you care that you are white. I dont and wont describe you in such a way. it bothers me immensely that your smug comments are so harmful then you go back and deflect your responses. People, like you, are the reason that people like Trayvon's parents worry that when their children step out of their home that they wont be treated well by a world that legally is color blind and socially color inept.

Over and over I have stated that this thread is disturbing. Its gone too far.

Wow that is UN-called for!!!!!!!

[supermom]

Yeah that was way over the top even for supe

Yes, you and Priscilla are right.

MaxineR I'm sorry you think I am attacking you. I am not. Merely stating an opinion based off of the recurrent theme of many of your postings on this thread as well as many others.

Ofcoarse I have never met you, and have no idea if you are in fact a KKK member or even a tool to promote the filth that the KKK stands for. I like to think the best of everyone. I guess that is the optimist in me,

I'll let bygones be bygones if you do as well. But I have to say-when I said you are acting as an agent of the KKK, i meant the implosive fear promulgation of claiming that blacks or Hispanics are any different and therefore should be described as their race, and anyone should be indignant if they are called white. The same with the idea that because blacks are committing race crimes-that there must be an epidemic of racially motivated rapes and murders by blacks. Or the idea that because a few people committ heinous crimes that that is a reason to live less of your life by not wearing your nice jewelry. By stating such, you are claiming that you are allowing your own mind to be influenced by these hate messages and then you promote it, by living up to the standards of that hate.

You dont have to stand on a corner and scream you are a racist to be a racist. You dont even have to actively try. racism is the degenerative attitude of people placing blame on others for their own limitations and inability to feel in control.

I do believe that racism exists. I do believe it happens in law enforcement as well as in other public safety agencies. I do believe that racial profiling is not the only form of racism in law enforcement. I believe that racism can be the simple action of using empirical data to profile people within a community while ascertaining the risk of crime preventative measures. And where racism becomes harmful is where it hurts other people. Be it physical, mental, spiritual, social, or in discriminatory practices in real estate, economics, job availability, standards of education......the list is long.

To those who are out there and do promote their own brand of racism--it is our duty to remind them that it is unacceptable. Some are racially motivated through economic loss, or other direct causal relationships and aren't even aware of their change in perspective and how it harms people. Those causal relationships are nebulous at best, and really are more of frustration; which if not kept in check, can change to hate.This is what I'm talking about, when I say someone is being an agent of the KKK. Its not an attack on the person. More like a honest assessment of a turning point in someone's ability to cope with something major that has happened in their lives.

I know this is going to hurt for me to say this, but I wonder if a lot of your anger is about Murphy? If it is I understand it, but I hope you can let go enough to knoe that only one person was responsible for that.

Anyway, Maxine, I'm sorry I came across harsh and over the top. Your a great lady, and I love your posts. Keep em coming.

[old soldier]

ok just where do you go to find this here KKK handbook that is being quoted all over the plase

maybe we ought to look at this Trevon case through a non racial lens..look at it as a dumbass vs dumbass conflct

Zimmerman was a dumbass for packing a gun while on neighborhood watch and not listening to the police who told him to back off. totally dedicated neighborhood watch folks can be a little nuts to begin with.

Trevon shouln't have been smoking dope, cause that might have affected his judgement and probably didn't need to punch zimmerman in the nose for following him...had he been smart enough to call 911 the operator could have connected him to zimmerman

when you just look at stupid behavior it takes race out of the equation.

[tsukiji]

Zimmerman was a dumbass for packing a gun while on neighborhood watch

Hugely disagree here. There may have a series of stupid decisions that night by all involved. But this is not one if them.

I'll stand up for those who have fought, bled, and died for our rights. Especially the Second and the RKBA.

[supermom]

ok just where do you go to find this here KKK handbook that is being quoted all over the plase

maybe we ought to look at this Trevon case through a non racial lens..look at it as a dumbass vs dumbass conflct

Zimmerman was a dumbass for packing a gun while on neighborhood watch and not listening to the police who told him to back off. totally dedicated neighborhood watch folks can be a little nuts to begin with.

Trevon shouln't have been smoking dope, cause that might have affected his judgement and probably didn't need to punch zimmerman in the nose for following him...had he been smart enough to call 911 the operator could have connected him to zimmerman

when you just look at stupid behavior it takes race out of the equation.

I agree, race shouldn't be a part of this since we don't have any witnesses. I agree that more than likely a lot of mistakes happened that night. And I agree that the guy should not have been carrying a weapon in the position he was in, without a license. even if he had a license to carry concealed, he did not have a license to carry as a security guard. Playing by the rules, knowing the rules, and adhering strictly to the mentality of protecting his community would have been a priority if this guy had really bothered to get licensed and get informed.

Hugely disagree here. There may have a series of stupid decisions that night by all involved. But this is not one if them.

I'll stand up for those who have fought, bled, and died for our rights. Especially the Second and the RKBA.

I absolutely will stand up for a guy who is upholding the constitution, legally. Be it with a weapon or a quill. There were stupid decisions made here. he was not licensed to carry. Almost ironic he claims he cant stand the punks in his neighborhood. Out here, when we hear of someone carrying and unlicensed, we think punk.

Makes me wonder if this was really all about machismo. Ego.

[The Average Joe]

...look at it as a dumbass vs dumbass conflct...

when you just look at stupid behavior it takes race out of the equation.

Couldn't have said it better myself.