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[Farley]

Lately I have been wondering what would happen if a skinhead white supremacist church wanted to open a branch in Folsom.  --Would you feel it appropriate to point out the objectionable nature of their beliefs... or would you feel that their beliefs are immune from criticism, as some seem to feel that Islamic beliefs are?

That would scare me immensely. Probably scare me enough to leave Folsom.

[bordercolliefan]

This is why I would have to say that any prejudices are not actually subconscious, as suggested earlier.  Knowing that even one Folsom Muslim might desire to kill my family makes me wary of a group of them gathering.  The One might be recruiting the rest, 25% of whom might agree that it's okay for him to kill my family even though they wouldn't help.

Funny you bring this up. Just today, I was doing some research and ran across a poll that reflected that 25% of U.S. Muslims believe that American society is "morally repugnant and corrupt." I'm sorry I no longer have the cite for this.

Now, we should acknowledge that believing that society is "repugnant" is not the same as believing that its members should be killed. Further, a significant percentage of conservative Christians would probably say the same thing.

Still, in the context of current events, it is a statistic that gives one pause.

[Farley]

   

Now, we should acknowledge that believing that society is "repugnant" is not the same as believing that its members should be killed.  Further, a significant percentage of conservative Christians would probably say the same thing. 

We know we are repugnant. But have no fear, we are kind, loving, and gentle souls.

[folsom500]

Lately I have been wondering what would happen if a skinhead white supremacist church wanted to open a branch in Folsom.  --Would you feel it appropriate to point out the objectionable nature of their beliefs... or would you feel that their beliefs are immune from criticism, as some seem to feel that Islamic beliefs are?

obviously - NO group is immune from criticism- but if the skin heads or the catholics or the Blue Side Nannies wish to open up a church in this fine city= that is fine with me - as that is one of the basic freedoms that this great country ( although you may not know it)

Cheers
F500

[bordercolliefan]

I think it would be prudent to learn more about the Islamic school planned for the site. Is this a day school?

While religious meeting places do not tend to generate a lot of traffic, schools do. The Blue Ravine/Sibley corridor is already a nightmare during the 2:30 to 4:00 timeframe-- in large part because all the kids who live in the neighborhoods around Levy are ferried back and forth to Natoma Station Elementary.

[ngilbert]

Now, we should acknowledge that believing that society is "repugnant" is not the same as believing that its members should be killed.  Further, a significant percentage of conservative Christians would probably say the same thing. 

Bingo. Just because I think that Britney Spears and Kevin Federline having their own reality show or Katie Couric is considered a "journalist" or [insert your own sign of the end time here] represents the final swirling of our society down the ol' crapper doesn't mean I plan on any car bombings soon. And I'm neither a muslim nor a conservative Christian.

I'm more surprised that 75% of us *don't* find society as repugnant in some way.

[ngilbert]

Lately I have been wondering what would happen if a skinhead white supremacist church wanted to open a branch in Folsom.  --Would you feel it appropriate to point out the objectionable nature of their beliefs... or would you feel that their beliefs are immune from criticism, as some seem to feel that Islamic beliefs are?

Hmmm. Good question. Are we talking about the full-on genocidal race war type Nazis (because I hate those guys), or the "dumb-and-lovable-but-generally harmless" type?

[john]

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[swmr545]

Please join the residents in the Folsom Ridgeview Community in a petition to stop the approved plans to build an Islamic Mosque on the vacant lot on Sibley Street at the intersection of Levy.  The plan is for a 70 ft. building with a 60 foot dome that will only accommodate 131 parking spaces that is intended to serve approx. 300 people.  The noise and traffic will be detrimental to residents in the immediate area.

If you are concerned e-mail

ridgeviewfolsom@aol.com

So, were you out there protesting the Catholic church when all the child molestation cases were/are still going on? Did you try to get them to shut their doors? Why treat this one any differently?

[Cloud9]

I think it would be prudent to learn more about the Islamic school planned for the site.  Is this a day school? 

While religious meeting places do not tend to generate a lot of traffic, schools do.  The Blue Ravine/Sibley corridor is already a nightmare during the 2:30 to 4:00 timeframe-- in large part because all the kids who live in the neighborhoods around Levy are ferried back and forth to Natoma Station Elementary.

Sounds like we need to do something about Natoma Station Elementary, perhaps shut it down. That should help things a bit.

[Terry]

Please join the residents in the Folsom Ridgeview Community in a petition to stop the approved plans to build an Islamic Mosque on the vacant lot on Sibley Street at the intersection of Levy.  The plan is for a 70 ft. building with a 60 foot dome that will only accommodate 131 parking spaces that is intended to serve approx. 300 people.  The noise and traffic will be detrimental to residents in the immediate area.

If you are concerned e-mail

ridgeviewfolsom@aol.com

Just in case you didn't catch this on the previous thread:

You missed the time to appeal the Planning Commission's approval of the mosque. The project was heard and approved by the Planning Commission on May 18, 2005. You had 10 days from the date of that approval to file your appeal with the City Clerk's office (and pay the $150.00 fee).

If you're really that concerned with what goes on in Folsom and in your neighborhood you need to start checking the agendum for the City Council, Planning Commission, Architectrual Review Committee, etc., and the public notices in the Telegraph and on the City's website.

Have a nice meeting, but you're sure not going to change the mosque project at this late date.

[Valerie Delise]

hmm. sounds to me valerie, that you have something against muslims.  if it was a mels diner, would you be so opposed?

If it were Mel's diner in that location, yes, I would be opposed, and I don't discriminate among any religions, races, or ethnic backgrounds. Levy is a very narrow street that intersects my housing development. I'm concerned about the increase in traffic, and the noise, along with how that that type of archetural style will fit in to the surroundings.

[randb]

Terry, please don't post the exact same post multiple times, it really does distract from the discussion. Thanks for your understanding.

[Valerie Delise]

So, were you out there protesting the Catholic church when all the child molestation cases were/are still going on?  Did you try to get them to shut their doors?  Why treat this one any differently?

You're confusing the issue. This is about a large mosque to be built on a small lot whereby traffic and noise will impact my housing development. As previously stated, this is not the location for any type of church.

[mylo]

You're confusing the issue.  This is about a large mosque to be built on a small lot whereby traffic and noise will impact my housing development.  As previously stated, this is not the location for any type of church.

I bet I would have been called a Heretic, and damn near dragged out of town, if I opposed a christian church being built on this site.

It amazes me how openly predjudicial people are permitted to be regarding this construction.

It went through the same process and you missed your chance to appeal. What gives you the right to even open your mouth now? If traffic was your concern, you should have paid more attention. Now you're just trying to rile people up, and sadly a few people are following, because it's not aligned with your personal faith or motivation.