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[zach5]

Thank you grandpa babe, that was very well stated and explains a lot.

[Steve Heard]

Grandpa

I just think we may set a dangerous precedent when we threaten a recall over city council decisions that we don't like. We elect these people to represent us, and to 'vote' for or against items that affect the city.

We can't put everything on the ballot.

Just what is their job if not to act as our representatives?

Please don't say they haven't been representing us. Not everyone will agree with every decision they make. There are many who do endorse the library site. Some don't care. Some oppose it.

[Candy Apple]

Thank you Stevethedad----you are a very wise, sane man!!!

[Ahnold]

agreed, very well put Steve. This is our form of government, like it or not - appoint representatives to make these hard decisions on behalf of the majority - that's what was one of the most upsetting aspects about this recall effort, that it sought to bypass the system at such a cost to the entire community.

I recall this same level of diviseness and turmoil surrounded the Lembi Aquatic Center, which I think has turned out to be a tremendous asset for our community.

[waterbaby149]

Library Commission People
It would seem that you fear that we will be successful in putting the issue on the ballot and therefore you are attempting to mislead the public into what the petition is all about - I and the members of our group have never said that the train the gazebo, etc. were going to be gone from the park as the result of the library being built there
I and others have used those landmarks and I restate LANDMARKS so that people will know what we are discussing - just like identifying the park with the zoo and rodeo

The only words that I have heard lately, in particular at a cc meeting from Mr. Sheldon, were accusations and inundendoes. There were no facts and no substance in his comments. I presented information to the cc based upon the mitigation report and the items placed in there.

If you of the Library Commission want to fight this battle, try doing it openly and honestly.
The truth always prevails.

[Candy Apple]

waterbaby AND grandpa babe---

If those of you who instigated the recall petition, GAVE IT UP, and are now backing the petition to put the library park site on the ballot, AND if you are such a proponent of the TRUTH over ACCUSATIONS and INNUENDOS, why did you not ever answer the question of WHERE ELSE the city and the Folsom taxpayers can AFFORD to put the library????

Why did your few so magnanimously tell us you had the signatures needed for the recall but were only taking "the high road" by not turning them in when in truth you only had a few HUNDRED?????

Mr. Sheldon, the Library Commission, The Board of the Friends of the Folsom Library, the Marshall family, and others are ALL backers of the park library site for the good of all of Folsom.

THEY know, and I think, MOST ALL FOLSOM RESIDENTS KNOW, that the library there will enhance the park and the surrounding area, AND will bring MORE business to the businesses in that area.

THERE IS NO OTHER SITE!!! If it is not put there, FOLSOM WILL NOT GET A NEW LIBRARY BUILDING!!!!!

THAT is the bottom line!!!!!

[waterbaby149]

Candyapple

We have made suggestions over the location of the library - you have failed to listen - the most common question that we are asked when we are having the petition's signed is - I thought it was going to be at the old firehouse - what happen - how did it ever get to be on that field???
My question to u is why the rezoning of 49 acres - is there not possibly some truth in the accusation and rumor that there will be condos and other housing eventally put in that area also - which means that the rodeo, rest of park, and possibly the zoo (oh excuse me- Mr. King likes the zoo so it can stay) will be gone
What about the location of the library in the lower fields, what about the library in the spot where station 35 is - what is wrong with the excess land behind station house 35 - what about the 20 or so spots that were started with? When I was out getting signatures this weekend in Natoma Station - those people want to know why the library can't go on the land near Winco? If you don't have the money for those type of sites, then you will not have a library. Using the park, rezoning it just so you can use redevelopment is inappropriate. Those funds have other uses and it is not correct to use them to destroy a park - we do not have enough green spaces, spaces that are developed for our present enjoyment. We do have open fields, and former buildings such as station 35....
An article this Sunday in the Sacramento Bee set forth how hard it is for the Sacramento County Library's to even find money to stay open and stay maintained -
Why and when was the historic classification removed from the park property and has the historic district stopping on Stafford street?
How does that beautiful building that you want to build fit into the rest of the area??? That building looks very much to me like the buildings in Auburn on Fulweiler Street, which the county is housed in. Those buildings were the new and improved and are nothing but a problem now and are being replaced by new buildings at DeWitt Center.
Can we not learn from the mistakes of our neighbors the City and County of Sacramento and other towns like Auburn???
That building is very nice but it does not belong on Marshall Farley Field and the voters of the town have the constitutional right to make that choice
We took the higher road in not creating a high cost to this city, but we will not back down to this right to make this decision.
Are you not aware that at the same time we were passing out recall petitions that we were also passing out the park petitions.
What is the library commission, et al., going to do now - pick on the citizens of Folsom such as Karen Forester, and Russ Acker - will if you are add my name to the list - it was in the paper enough - even today.

[Candy Apple]

I guess if you don't want to check out THE FACTS then you don't want to know the FACTS!!!

You can suggest all you want but FACTS address your "suggestions". Read the paper, read the public records but stop spinning your garbage about the "zoo, rodeo, rest of the park will be gone".

The zoo, the train, the rodeo, the parking are ALL going to be UP GRADED and/or EXPANDED!!

If you think there is available land for the library elsewhere then YOU BUY IT!!! The city and the taxpayers of Folsom CAN'T AFFORD IT!!!

just stop spinning your lies!!!!!

[waterbaby149]

Candy Apple
Ms. Mayhem
I didn't spin any lies - u just don't want to look the facts in the face because you want that damm library on that park so bad because u can use redevelopment money to get it and you can't use that money anywhere else
you have some facts to defend my allegations then use them
but the notice to the homeowners in that area - and I am one of them - stated the rezoning of 49 acres -FACT-
NOW WHY 49 ACRES IF YOU DON'T HAVE PLANS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE - YOUR DEAR DARLING CC MEMBERS KING AND MORIN COULD NOT AND WOULD NOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION - AND THE COMMENT ABOUT NOT DOING ANYTHING TO THE ZOO BECAUSE "I" (BEING KING") LIKE IT - came out of his mouth at a meeting he attended at the VFW with the Folsom Joint Veterans
If you don't have the money then you had better find a way to get it other than the park - because this is one tax payer that does not wish to foot the bill for this crazy idea...
not for something that you will be screaming about later that you don't have funds to support - I am not into pissing away 9.9 million - on a building, that has a coffee shop, rooms to rent, and a fireplace -
that is just stupid and wasteful
so take your damm building and put it somewhere else - and that includes where the sun does not shine!!@!!!

[grandpa babe]

Waterbaby

We have had this discussion before concerning niceness and politeness. However, now that you have got it off your chest I encourage you to be more selective in your responses to this site. Your formal education, humble manner, street smarts, and polite traits set you far apart from most of the respondence on this site. Take a deep breath and show a little compassion for those without similar gifts --- please know that God did not make everyone equal. This is a miff only believed by the most liberal of the liberals. Read this site—smile and remember that the “one eye person reins supreme in the land of the blind”.

I am not certain of the path, but I am very certain of the destination----nothing will be built on the sacred ball field. There may be a new library but it will not be on this howled ground.

Now read more and respond less:)

[longgone]

Good idea!

[waterbaby149]

Today is Memorial Day, and while we remember those we have lost, we will also remember Marshall Farley who was lost in Vietnam and was one of our own.
Let us pray, Our Father in Heaven, amid these monuments of the dead,we ask Thee with whom there is no death, to open every eye to behold Him who changed the night of death into morning. Through they great mercy may we all meet at last in joy before They throne in Heaven, and to They name shall be prase forever and ever. Now,may the blessings of God the Father be with each and every one.
And may we keep watch over those who are in Iraq, and bless them.
Amen.

Lori Holmes, Chaplain, Womens Aux. VFW Folsom 6604

[Candy Apple]

We have all lived through history. Now, as we live making history, remember each in the past and honor all in the present.

[waterbaby149]

There will be a picnic in the park this Saturday, June 5, 2004, from 11:00 a.m. to 2:00 am.
Food is sponsored by Albertsons
Music
and fun

Come join us, and if you haven't signed the petition to get the library issue on the ballot - we would appreciate your support.

My greatest delight last Friday when collecting signatures in front of Raley's was an elderly woman who approached and without hesitation signed - she then proceeded to tell me that she was on the Library Commission, did not approve of what was happening, and gave us her support. I was so shocked by this revalation that I forgot to see what her name was - God Bless Her!!!

We look forward to seeing one and all on Saturday, June 5, 2004.

We thank you for your support and good wishes.

[Linda Holderness]

No one on the Library Commission, elderly or otherwise, has signed the petition against the library site. And who are you to define someone as "elderly"?