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[ducky]

Not cool??: Having mom go to school authorities to resolve in a civilized fashion.

Cool???: Having mom drive you to a fight and threaten anyone who tries to break it up.

If this kid didn't want to fight and was forced to by mom it makes this story even sadder.

[cw68]

Is this more noteworthy because it was a Mom driving? How many fathers have had the talk with their son about sticking up for themselves? Wouldn't a lot of you out there say that this is just what males do and by not going with it we are contributing to the "wussification" of men in our society?

[Chad Vander Veen]

Is this more noteworthy because it was a Mom driving? How many fathers have had the talk with their son about sticking up for themselves? Wouldn't a lot of you out there say that this is just what males do and by not going with it we are contributing to the "wussification" of men in our society?

I think it's more that it was a parent at all. A school fight is like a rite of passage - in a way it's a sacred thing that belongs to adolescents who grow up some after having gone through it. To me having the mom facilitate the whole thing is a bizarre perversion - parents are supposed to be the adults who know fisticuffs aren't always the answer.

[cw68]

I think it's more that it was a parent at all. A school fight is like a rite of passage - in a way it's a sacred thing that belongs to adolescents who grow up some after having gone through it. To me having the mom facilitate the whole thing is a bizarre perversion - parents are supposed to be the adults who know fisticuffs aren't always the answer.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's horrendous. But we all know some boy whose father taught him how to throw a punch and one whose father encouraged him to fight. I know I did. I just think this really sticks out because it's the Mom who's taking on this role. Weird, man.

BTW, Dawn K., I'm really sorry for beating you up in 6th grade while wearing my royal purple corduroy pants. My Mom would have kicked butt had she known.

[ducky]

I think what makes this story so hard to understand is the parent (mom or dad) being at the fight and facilitating it. The dad giving the son the stand-up-for-yourself talk really doesn't compare to what happened here.

Thirteen-year-old kids sometimes get into fights. They are working on becoming adults and have that whole hormone thing going on. While it still isn't acceptable, it is understandable.

[NewOldCokeDave]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's horrendous. But we all know some boy whose father taught him how to throw a punch and one whose father encouraged him to fight. I know I did. I just think this really sticks out because it's the Mom who's taking on this role. Weird, man.

BTW, Dawn K., I'm really sorry for beating you up in 6th grade while wearing my royal purple corduroy pants. My Mom would have kicked butt had she known.

I have NEVER STARTED a fight in my entire life, but I've ended quite a few..

My Dad taught me how to talk and walk away from a fight.. I have been in about 4 fights in my entire life.. I have been able to talk and walk away from all the others..I'm teaching my son the same thing.

I think what this woman has done is despicable.. I personally think she doesn't deserve to have kids.. Love the deer-in-the-headlights mugshot.. Will make a lovely Xmas card..

I'd like to see more people like the woman that stepped in to break it up.. Too many people turn a blind-eye to this stuff nowadays. If more people did, then maybe the schools wouldn't have to waste time playing "Big Brother".. They didn't have to when I was a kid, 125 years ago..

[camay2327]

Also thanks to the service station owner....

"By then, service station owner Harman Nijjar also was moving to break up the fight. At that point, Williams collected her son and left."

[tessieca]

I got in fights with boys in middle school (junior high back then). Not at school though. In high school some girl got mad at me for something on the bus and then attacked when I got off the bus. After my shock with how nasty girls fight compared to boys I pinned her until she promised to behave. Schools never got involved. Even back when my son was in middle school, when he had a mutual fight with his best friend, the teachers kind of watched out of the corner of their eye (I happened to be at the school so I saw) and let it play itself out. Nobody was hurt, and the boys worked whatever was bugging them out between themselves.

[ngilbert]

Don't get me wrong, I think it's horrendous. But we all know some boy whose father taught him how to throw a punch and one whose father encouraged him to fight. I know I did. I just think this really sticks out because it's the Mom who's taking on this role. Weird, man.

BTW, Dawn K., I'm really sorry for beating you up in 6th grade while wearing my royal purple corduroy pants. My Mom would have kicked butt had she known.

Yeah , but my father (and mother) never actually *drove* me to a fight. I would have to mow the lawn to raise the money to pay for the cab ride, and usually by the time that happened the other kid had already gone home for dinner. Well, okay, there was that one time he dropped me off at a fight, but that was only because it was on his way. But he didn't stick around or anything.

BTW, if we're talking about the same person then Dawn K forgave you long ago. So you're the "Little Miss Perfect Purple Pants" she's always talking about huh? Small world.

[folsombound]

I have NEVER STARTED a fight in my entire life, but I've ended quite a few..

My Dad taught me how to talk and walk away from a fight.. I have been in about 4 fights in my entire life.. I have been able to talk and walk away from all the others..I'm teaching my son the same thing.

I think what this woman has done is despicable.. I personally think she doesn't deserve to have kids.. Love the deer-in-the-headlights mugshot.. Will make a lovely Xmas card..

I'd like to see more people like the woman that stepped in to break it up.. Too many people turn a blind-eye to this stuff nowadays. If more people did, then maybe the schools wouldn't have to waste time playing "Big Brother".. They didn't have to when I was a kid, 125 years ago..

Wow, you were a kid the same time I was!

[LexHillsmom]

To me having the mom facilitate the whole thing is a bizarre perversion - parents are supposed to be the adults who know fisticuffs aren't always the answer.

Especially a MOM, gheez we don't ever want someone to hurt our kid! But I do get what CW68 is saying...that society would give more of a pass to a dad driving his kid to the fight.

I'm pretty skeptical of these high profile stories that come up...the truth of what happened is usually buried in all the hype...

[bordercolliefan]

I wondered if the kid was a victim of bullying, and the parents felt that the only way to end the bullying was to beat up the other kid. Not that this excuses it, but it may explain it...

I do agree with what cw68 said. The driving thing was wierd, but plenty of dads have said, "The next time he picks on you, you punch him like this..." Facilitating your child's fight by providing encouragement/tutoring is not that different from driving them to the fight. Sad thing is, this can actually be a pretty effective strategy...

[folsombound]

This story made the San Francisco Chronicle website,

http://sfgate.com/cg.../a134702S05.DTL

[Dr. Folsom]

This story made the San Francisco Chronicle website,

http://sfgate.com/cg.../a134702S05.DTL

and Fox News


http://www.foxnews.c...rrested,00.html

[Steve Heard]

The driving thing was wierd, but plenty of dads have said, "The next time he picks on you, you punch him like this..." Facilitating your child's fight by providing encouragement/tutoring is not that different from driving them to the fight. Sad thing is, this can actually be a pretty effective strategy...

There is a line between teaching self defense and encouraging one's child to fight. They are not one and the same.

I don't have a son, but if I did, I think he'd know that I'd never drive him to a fight.