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[D's TK]

No I smile even to them. The great thing about me is that even after being quickly offended I tend to let go and move on. DO YOU?

supermom...I love the way you handle a snarky comment!! You rule!

[D's TK]

Yeah, my son likes the dancing horse head, too, and the beer guzzling squirrel.

Just showed him the light saber squirrels today and it totally cracked him up.

What was the topic again? Oh, yeah, snobbish people. I always try to say hello. I'm not the most outgoing person and sometimes I think people may take that as snobbish when what it really is is difficulty with figuring out what to say after hello to a stranger.

Folsom is much friendlier than some other places in California. OC for example.

You know, I have noticed a (very) slight decline in the friendliness of our townfolk, as well I hope it's not a sign of more to come. I know we have had a lot of recent growth (homes, condo's, etc.) and it seems the more populated a city gets, the less friendly it can seem, sometimes. I am only basing this on my own personal experience, living in both small towns and larger, metro areas over the years. We have to be nearing buildout here, though. At least, I hope we are! I really love the smaller town feeling here! As for myself, I always say hi when passing someone on the street and I figure, if I get a nice reply, fine. If not, I just move on I think sometimes, people have their own issues (like social anxiety, for instance) that may make them seem rude or unfriendly. I try not to take it personally, because you just never know. I just like to treat everyone the way I would like to be treated in return....sometimes it comes back to you, sometimes not I do hope we can maintain the small town feel out here, though, because this is such a great community! I would hate to see it get so big that we all start acting like "big city" folks

[October15]

You know, I have noticed a (very) slight decline in the friendliness of our townfolk, as well

I definitely noticed that people were friendlier here than SCruz (dot dot dot) and in Southern Cal than in Oregon (Portland at least). I haven't noticed a big decliine. I have always felt like there was a difference between Folsom and EDH in this area. Anybody else notice that?

[banana]

Has the air in Folsom recently changed? People are not as friendly any more. It takes a lot of effort for a hello. At the park when I am with my kids, most moms don't want to return my greeting or look at me like "this is a land of no greeting" Strange as it sounds men are a little, only little, bit more friendlier. If you are walking on the sidewalk people walk like they can't see you. What is it?? I say Hi, and I get the look like I am crazy or a very small smile almost half or quarter hearted. I don't want to have a conversation but just a plain hello!!!

its because they were not raised to understand how to be polite and nice to others. and their money makes them think they are better then others.

[Steve Heard]

I've given it some more thought, and feel like making some broad and general statements sure to offend at least a couple of people. I see it as coming down to two issues; snobbishness and frienliness (or lack there of)

The snobs seem to tend to be relative newcomers who bought nice houses, houses that they could not afford in the Bay Area, between 5 and 10 years or so ago. They generally make less than people in the Bay Area, but because they bought their houses these nice houses so cheap, were able refi and take cash out to buy nice things. Because they own nice things, they feel they are better than those who don't have nice things. They look down on the old-timers because of their simple, blue-collar ways, and they look down on the new comers because they don't belong. Snobs can be friendly, particularly when trying to find out someone else's status, but they often pre-judge people and choose to ignore them. These snobs are almost always female. If they were in the Bay Area, they'd be renting, or living in a 1200 square foot, 50 year old tract home.

The downright unfriendly folks are usually old-timers who moved here to get away from 'urban issues', or were raised here and remember it as a small town where everyone knew everyone else. They are nice and friendly to other old timers, but suspicious and resentful of the newcomers, with their big houses on land no one wanted, and driving their fancy cars like they own the road.

I think another group which might show snobbish or unfriendly traits is conservatives. Liberals tend to be much more open and friendly, where as conservatives tend to be much more guarded and reserved.

Some of the friendlier folks seem to be newer arrivals, eager to become part of the community, willing to extend a hand, and to volunteer.

A walk down Sutter Street will reveal the friendly and the unfriendly. The newer shop owners tend to be really friendly (Black Rooster, Ms. Teaz, Wine Gallery), while some of the older shops seemed to be run be rather surly folk (you know who you are).

I'll tell you what, though, I drive through Folsom neighborhoods and waive, or have folks waive at me, which doesn't happen in the Bay Area too often.

[ducky]

I've given it some more thought, and feel like making some broad and general statements sure to offend at least a couple of people. I see it as coming down to two issues; snobbishness and frienliness (or lack there of)

The snobs seem to tend to be relative newcomers who bought nice houses, houses that they could not afford in the Bay Area, between 5 and 10 years or so ago. They generally make less than people in the Bay Area, but because they bought their houses these nice houses so cheap, were able refi and take cash out to buy nice things. Because they own nice things, they feel they are better than those who don't have nice things. They look down on the old-timers because of their simple, blue-collar ways, and they look down on the new comers because they don't belong. Snobs can be friendly, particularly when trying to find out someone else's status, but they often pre-judge people and choose to ignore them. These snobs are almost always female. If they were in the Bay Area, they'd be renting, or living in a 1200 square foot, 50 year old tract home.

The downright unfriendly folks are usually old-timers who moved here to get away from 'urban issues', or were raised here and remember it as a small town where everyone knew everyone else. They are nice and friendly to other old timers, but suspicious and resentful of the newcomers, with their big houses on land no one wanted, and driving their fancy cars like they own the road.

I think another group which might show snobbish or unfriendly traits is conservatives. Liberals tend to be much more open and friendly, where as conservatives tend to be much more guarded and reserved.

Some of the friendlier folks seem to be newer arrivals, eager to become part of the community, willing to extend a hand, and to volunteer.

A walk down Sutter Street will reveal the friendly and the unfriendly. The newer shop owners tend to be really friendly (Black Rooster, Ms. Teaz, Wine Gallery), while some of the older shops seemed to be run be rather surly folk (you know who you are).

I'll tell you what, though, I drive through Folsom neighborhoods and waive, or have folks waive at me, which doesn't happen in the Bay Area too often.

You're right. That's a lot of generalized stereotyping that is bound to offend. When we came here we were welcomed by old-timers who are now friends, but we also count many newcomers as friends because they are great people who want to become a part of the community and like it here.

There are many old-timers that made money off of selling and building on that "land that nobody wanted," so I imagine they're pretty happy. Some of them even drive big new cars too fast around town, too.

Frankly, I don't get the difference between snobbishness and being downright unfriendly. If you're acting like a superior arse or a cranky arse, it's all the same to me.

[D's TK]

I've given it some more thought, and feel like making some broad and general statements sure to offend at least a couple of people. I see it as coming down to two issues; snobbishness and frienliness (or lack there of)

The snobs seem to tend to be relative newcomers who bought nice houses, houses that they could not afford in the Bay Area, between 5 and 10 years or so ago. They generally make less than people in the Bay Area, but because they bought their houses these nice houses so cheap, were able refi and take cash out to buy nice things. Because they own nice things, they feel they are better than those who don't have nice things. They look down on the old-timers because of their simple, blue-collar ways, and they look down on the new comers because they don't belong. Snobs can be friendly, particularly when trying to find out someone else's status, but they often pre-judge people and choose to ignore them. These snobs are almost always female. If they were in the Bay Area, they'd be renting, or living in a 1200 square foot, 50 year old tract home.

The downright unfriendly folks are usually old-timers who moved here to get away from 'urban issues', or were raised here and remember it as a small town where everyone knew everyone else. They are nice and friendly to other old timers, but suspicious and resentful of the newcomers, with their big houses on land no one wanted, and driving their fancy cars like they own the road.

I think another group which might show snobbish or unfriendly traits is conservatives. Liberals tend to be much more open and friendly, where as conservatives tend to be much more guarded and reserved.

Some of the friendlier folks seem to be newer arrivals, eager to become part of the community, willing to extend a hand, and to volunteer.

A walk down Sutter Street will reveal the friendly and the unfriendly. The newer shop owners tend to be really friendly (Black Rooster, Ms. Teaz, Wine Gallery), while some of the older shops seemed to be run be rather surly folk (you know who you are).

I'll tell you what, though, I drive through Folsom neighborhoods and waive, or have folks waive at me, which doesn't happen in the Bay Area too often.

I, for one, am not at all offended by any of the statements you are making here. In fact, I feel like I could not have said it better myself. I think this post sums it up pretty well....as I have observed everything you site here, as well.

[mylo]

I'm offended, but Steve generally offends me.

[supermom]

I'm offended, but Steve generally offends me.

Really? I thought under the thin veneer of humor you really tend to side a lot with Steve.

I suppose sarcasm has it's place and all but seriously would you consider yourself a snob?

[mylo]

Thin? I thought I lay it on pretty thick! STD's an alright kinda guy! In fact, you could say he grows on ya

Do I consider myself a snob? No.

I also find most Folsom snobs are just wannabe's anyway. To answer ducky's differentiation question, I define snobbery as a subset of unfriendliness, brought on by (perceived) wealth mixed with a natural desire to be competitive

[supermom]

Thin? I thought I lay it on pretty thick! STD's an alright kinda guy! In fact, you could say he grows on ya

Do I consider myself a snob? No.

I also find most Folsom snobs are just wannabe's anyway. To answer ducky's differentiation question, I define snobbery as a subset of unfriendliness, brought on by (perceived) wealth mixed with a natural desire to be competitive

ah-hem....you called him STD again.

[mylo]

ah-hem....you called him STD again.

Yeah, I gotta give Jolene credit for noticing that! Or at least bringing it to my attention.

[Steve Heard]

ah-hem....you called him STD again.

I've been called worse.....by a better class of people, too.

- A Folsom Snoob

[cw68]

I've been called worse.....by a better class of people, too.

- A Folsom Snoob

Snoob? A mix between a snob and a boob?

[realtor]

I tend to agree that Folsom has grown more snobbish...I think a lot of it has to do with the "keeping up w/the Jones" attitude that has been imported here from the bay area. Way back in the days of yore when my family first arrived (1988) the town seemed much friendlier...the grocery clerks offered advise, the police were less paranoid when approaching your car, the building dept. actually had time to talk with you and not treat you as a number. Now it seems that everyone is in a hurry, waving as they drive into their garage. The only time allowed for relaxation is scheduled and then it has to fit within certain parameters...only at the club, only at sport practices...there isn't much gathering on the street for small talk between neighbors unless there is a crisis or emergency. I, too, strive to be a friendly person but when I get ignored after offering a polite greeting...let's just say it starts to wear you down!