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[camay2327]

I wonder how many city council members, also the city manager, lawyers, know where the water is going to come from? Do they know or are we all wondering where the water is coming from?

Someone must know or have an idea.... hu ????

[Robert Giacometti]

I wonder how many city council members, also the city manager, lawyers, know where the water is going to come from? Do they know or are we all wondering where the water is coming from?

Someone must know or have an idea.... hu ????

I gotta believe there is a plan that isbeing discussed, but not ready for the public. I'm thinking its going to be complicated and probably involves a couple of different agencies trading things.

We need to get ALL of our water back from Aerojet.

[MikeinFolsom]

Oh....THEY know.

[Redone]

Oh....THEY know.

Walk outside, it's right there , that meter thingy.

[Robert Giacometti]

Walk outside, it's right there , that meter thingy.

If I recall correctly, the charter amendment the voters passed in 2004 requires there to be a new source of water other than any water currently allocated for N50. I don't think they can use the current water supply for S50.

My hunch is there is going to be multiple agencies involved in some swapping of water rights.

[Suzyque565]

I would definitely move into that area if all the other factors are right. Then again, I've been working on cleaning up Superfund sites most of my career, so I know the multiple safety factors that go into the cleanup and the many layers of regulatory oversight.

We read lots of stories about lots of things. Statistics can be skewed any way you want, depending upon your viewpoint. Elevated levels of birth defects and cancer can definitely be found around some contaminated areas, and there's no doubt that higher exposure to toxins causes higher cancer rates or illness. But what I've found is that in many instances, the sites
are located in predominantly poor areas where people do not get proper health care as children or adults, or have other lifestyle factors that contribute as well. Statistically, you're probably more likely to get hit by a truck hauling dirty soil from the site than you are getting cancer or illness from living on a former Superfund site that's been cleaned up.

With Aerojet, I believe most of the source areas are located south of Prairie City, so I doubt the cleanup would need to be as aggressive in the SOI area.

I'm not trying to sell you on it or blow you off, just giving you my 2 cents.

Hate to disagree with you but I have first-hand knowledge of the Aerojet property... no one should step one foot onto that property! Also, as a child I grew up near the Nimbus Dam (before there was even a dam... swam in that river every day, ate fish out that river... then as the years have passed.. out of 6 in our family, 4 of us have had cancer or pre-cancer, and my dad died at age 52 of cancer. I am convinced the ground water has been and will always be contaminated for years to come. We are told not to drink the water at work. I don't have to read stories.. I've experienced it.

[Redone]

Hate to disagree with you but I have first-hand knowledge of the Aerojet property... no one should step one foot onto that property!

SOI is not on former Aerojet property except for City Corp Yard.

[October15]

Oh....THEY know.

[brown]

Hate to disagree with you but I have first-hand knowledge of the Aerojet property... no one should step one foot onto that property! Also, as a child I grew up near the Nimbus Dam (before there was even a dam... swam in that river every day, ate fish out that river... then as the years have passed.. out of 6 in our family, 4 of us have had cancer or pre-cancer, and my dad died at age 52 of cancer. I am convinced the ground water has been and will always be contaminated for years to come. We are told not to drink the water at work. I don't have to read stories.. I've experienced it.

There's no doubt that the groundwater is contaminated. The TCE and perchlorate plume from Aerojet has spread as far as Carmichael, and I know it goes near the Nimbus Dam area. But the contaminated groundwater is at least 75 feet below the ground, and any future development over the impacted areas will require imported water for residents, so there's zero potential for exposure. All that I'm saying is that it's absolutely possible to redevelop contaminated areas such as Aerojet. It may take a lot of time and a lot of money, but it's being done all over the country.

And Redone is right, only a small portion of the Aerojet property is in the SOI, so this is probably a moot point anyway.

[MSgt]

Hate to disagree with you but I have first-hand knowledge of the Aerojet property... no one should step one foot onto that property! Also, as a child I grew up near the Nimbus Dam (before there was even a dam... swam in that river every day, ate fish out that river... then as the years have passed.. out of 6 in our family, 4 of us have had cancer or pre-cancer, and my dad died at age 52 of cancer. I am convinced the ground water has been and will always be contaminated for years to come. We are told not to drink the water at work. I don't have to read stories.. I've experienced it.

How tragic! Makes me shudder

[tessieca]

The Aerojet water discussion started because of the question about whether Folsom will seek a further SOI west of Prairie City Road or south of the current SOI. Robert didn't want it in his community because of the water. Note: It's in our community whether or not it's in our city limits, so I'd rather see Folsom controlling it than RC. But that's my own humble opinion.

Yes, the city is working on water sources for the SOI. Measure W does require new sources, but as Mike said "they know."

Interesting note, hardly a word was mentioned about water at the presentation, but that's all that's being talked about on the forum.

[Robert Giacometti]

The Aerojet water discussion started because of the question about whether Folsom will seek a further SOI west of Prairie City Road or south of the current SOI. Robert didn't want it in his community because of the water. Note: It's in our community whether or not it's in our city limits, so I'd rather see Folsom controlling it than RC. But that's my own humble opinion.

Interesting note, hardly a word was mentioned about water at the presentation, but that's all that's being talked about on the forum.

Tessieca, I don't want the contamination in my community as who knows what long term liabilities that our children may have to deal with that could possibly arise out of approving development in this area. Let RC control it and let them have the liability that goes with it.

We can't control everything, eventually there will be a border where our city ends.

Regarding the water, IMO we need to get ALL of the water back from Aerojet when the current contract expires. I'm afraid we are negotiating with Aerojet to get some of the water back now for giving up any future rights to the remaining water. This would be very short sighted as it would allow development to occur without increasing the supply and when buildout of the SOI area occurred our children could be screwed by a lack of water.

As you well know politicians generally only address issues when they are in a crisis and postpone the tough choices to later, by NOT getting our water back we are ensuring a water crisis later, so we can develop now!

[mylo]

There you go making sense again Robert. Stop trying to confuse us.

[old soldier]

if I understand old Robert, the develop now track will start making the developers profit right off and once they got their money they could care less about what happens in the future.

the politicians who could control the decision are the ones being romanced by the developers or just bambozzled and they are not worried much because they know the history that when folks look at bad decisions that were made 10 years ago nobody has any memory of who did what.

the way I see it this hear plan that got introduced last week is the woodpile and its now up to us concerned citizens to find the skunks

it would be kinda funny to see who the planners were who made it all up and see in a few years they are out there working for one of the developers. its seems that the more homes you can jam in the more money is to be made and there is sure a lot of houses to be put in what is a pretty small area.

[brown]

Tessieca, I don't want the contamination in my community as who knows what long term liabilities that our children may have to deal with that could possibly arise out of approving development in this area. Let RC control it and let them have the liability that goes with it.

From my understanding of environmental law, the liabilty would be entirely dependent on the terms of the contract between Aerojet and the City of Folsom. I believe the default law would place the first owner (Aerojet) to retain the liability, but the entity that assumes the property and develops it (City of Folsom) would be creating liability as well. I would think that the city attorneys would indemnify the city to the extent possible.

Again, I think we're talking about a very small portion of the SOI. And I agree with Tess that I'd much rather see Folsom in charge than RC.