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[bishmasterb]

but look at that... $2500 for the Mac plus

$2500 for a Mac Plus...that's crazy!?

Check it out, here's one for $50!



http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

[Dave Burrell]

$2500 for a Mac Plus...that's crazy!?

Check it out, here's one for $50!
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

hehehe you forgot to add plus "vista"....

and hey I actually have an old Mac Plus sitting here in my office right now.... kept it as a souvenir of my old mac days (its got the sigs of the original mac developers inside)

[Dave Burrell]

$2500 for a Mac Plus...that's crazy!?

Check it out, here's one for $50!
http://cgi.ebay.com/...1QQcmdZViewItem

by the way here's my apple history... these are all the apple/mac models I purchased over the years

Apple II c+
Mac LISA
Mac Plus
Mac SE
Mac II
Mac IIci
Mac fx
....all the way to the last Mac I owned, a G4

[dansflb]

but look at that... $2500 for the Mac plus probably another $300 for Vista... nearly 3g's for a Mac laptop when I can get 2 of equal power and software for the same price on a PC platform

and to Dan, I'll always love the Mac but since all my work uses PC based software now, I gotta stick with the PC - despite having once been a die hard mac guy....

Dave I was out the door for less than $1,800 for my iMac not $2,500. If you already have the vista software you can download it on your Mac and run bootcamp for your specific software needs. Does Vista Really cost you $300, I heard that most people were staying with XP because vista has soo many downsides. Leopard cost me $200 and I can install it on 5 computers with full support, and the new mac operating system is great!

I ended up replacing my PC every two years if it was because of needed upgrades or the computer crashing. I have two friends that have Macs and that they have been working on without any problems for 5+ years! They upgrade the software and operating systems and they can't say enough about their macs.

My dad just got a new Dell laptop almost a year ago and he only has used it less than 10 times for two main reasons. One it's so damn confusing to use a PC for a beginner like my father and he has had problems with it almost half the times he's ran it. It has so many stupid things that Best Buy loaded onto it, and the computer just isn't user friendly. He's going to sell it and buy a Mac notebook.

[dansflb]

by the way here's my apple history... these are all the apple/mac models I purchased over the years

Apple II c+
Mac LISA
Mac Plus
Mac SE
Mac II
Mac IIci
Mac fx
....all the way to the last Mac I owned, a G4

You definitely have a history with Mac and definitely know more about them than I do, a couple questions because from what I've seen your a pretty straight up kind of guy.

Have you used the new leopard operating system yet, and if so what do you think?

I'm definitely a company man myself so I'm wondering if you defend the PC because you now work for a PC company, which I could totally understand if that was the case.

If you could choose one computer what would it be a new mac with your specific software to run on Mac's windows or a PC?

[MSgt]

I am the guy with the IMac problem.
I am probably the biggest problem.. I never did get the hang of it. I ended up just using it for my music and ipod.
Now it will not display the desktop. It locks up - blue screen.

I bought at Christmas time in 2005 (i think it was 2005). I have only used it for web browsing and music. Not sure where should I take it to have it looked at?

[Dave Burrell]

Dave I was out the door for less than $1,800 for my iMac not $2,500. If you already have the vista software you can download it on your Mac and run bootcamp for your specific software needs. Does Vista Really cost you $300, I heard that most people were staying with XP because vista has soo many downsides. Leopard cost me $200 and I can install it on 5 computers with full support, and the new mac operating system is great!

I ended up replacing my PC every two years if it was because of needed upgrades or the computer crashing. I have two friends that have Macs and that they have been working on without any problems for 5+ years! They upgrade the software and operating systems and they can't say enough about their macs.

My dad just got a new Dell laptop almost a year ago and he only has used it less than 10 times for two main reasons. One it's so damn confusing to use a PC for a beginner like my father and he has had problems with it almost half the times he's ran it. It has so many stupid things that Best Buy loaded onto it, and the computer just isn't user friendly. He's going to sell it and buy a Mac notebook.

Never had any probs with Vista, I dunno what the apple commercials are talking about ..

aw using a Dell...there's the problem right there... shoulda bought HP instead

[mylo]

Mac IIci was one of the best computers ever made!

[dansflb]

I am the guy with the IMac problem.
I am probably the biggest problem.. I never did get the hang of it. I ended up just using it for my music and ipod.
Now it will not display the desktop. It locks up - blue screen.

I bought at Christmas time in 2005 (i think it was 2005). I have only used it for web browsing and music. Not sure where should I take it to have it looked at?

My friend Chris who knows everything about macs can help, I bet you it's something simple. If you want to contact me off the list I can arrange a time to have him look at it, he works for site discovery which is a media company and part of their company is PC repair as well as he is the only Mac authorized repair guy in the area. He also is a Mac user, so my info is below, after he fixes your computer I would be happy to take an hour and show you how great it is! Let me know, if that doesn't work for you, you can take it to the apple store at Arden fair they can fix it as well.
Dan

Dan@folsomlakebowl.com

[Dave Burrell]

You definitely have a history with Mac and definitely know more about them than I do, a couple questions because from what I've seen your a pretty straight up kind of guy.

Have you used the new leopard operating system yet, and if so what do you think?

I'm definitely a company man myself so I'm wondering if you defend the PC because you now work for a PC company, which I could totally understand if that was the case.

If you could choose one computer what would it be a new mac with your specific software to run on Mac's windows or a PC?

heheheh yeah like I said, I was a die hard mac head.... I spent thousands on macs over the years... I think the worse was when I paid $6000 for a Mac IIci with ONE megabyte of ram and a 20mb hard drive running at 25mhz..... but it was great for its time

No, I haven't tried the new Leopard OS yet - is it similar to OS 10 or different?

Naw.... I really don't defend the PC cause I work for HP..... heck, I used to hate PC's back in the day simply because they were light years behind the Macs capability ...but they've come up to speed now and are nearly the same.. Maybe its because I've been working in the industry for 20 plus years and am computer savvy so for me working on PC's is fun and easy .... I also keep my machines tuned up and working very well at all times..... seriously, I've never once had any probs or crashes with XP or Vista (knock on wood - watch my laptop burst into flames now)

Bottomline, for me it just comes down to dollars..... I can get a super fast multimedia capable PC with plenty of ram, hd space and video features plus the software for less then a comparable Macintosh.

but I'd use a Mac if I had one..... (now accepting donations)

[Dave Burrell]

Mac IIci was one of the best computers ever made!

It sure was! look what I just wrote about the IIci in my last post

[Switching2Mac]

The Mac vs PC debate is always a heated one, and I agree with Dan, many Mac haters are PC users that have little or no Mac experience or used a Mac 10 years ago. I also agree that Mac users commenting about how bad a PC is when they have never used one is also something that should be kept to oneself...

My background:
My first PC was whit-Box 486SX machine that I purchased for audio recording back in the day when about all you could do was 4 tracks of audio and when you wanted to mix them down you would have to walk away for lunch and come back to work on the rest of your song. Anyways I spend thousands of dollars trying to get that machine to reliably record audio/midi and did eventually get it working with a combination of Logic for midi and SAW for audio synced together using two SMPTE interfaces on the same computer.

Meanwhile my friends where using Macs that yes did cost twice as much as my original PC but about half as much as what mine Cost me in the end to do half of what there Macs where doing in the audio world. They had Logic Audi, one program that did both audi and midi with no SMPTE interfaces needed!

I sold my PC for about 1/4 of what I paid for it and Got my first very expensive Mac, it was worth every penny.

Jump ahead, not only have I been a Mac guy for over 10 years but I worked as an Apple Rep for about 8 of them. I also took some time off from Apple to go and work for HP as a Territory Sales Manager, I wanted to see if the PC world was as bad as the Mac community I was so well ingrained into was saying, myself included.

I only lasted about 8 months at HP before I had to leave, I simply couldn't honestly sell PC's to people that I new in my heart should be buying a Mac.

I really tried to give the PC a chance, I even set out to use the bundled HP photo, video, music and burning software but it seemed like this software combination from a myriad of companies was purely designed to break the human spirit. Everything took ages to do, non of the programs shared any kind of continuity and none of them spoke each others language, end result - hours of your life gone and nothing accomplished??

One thing I used to do allot of with my Mac was Internet and Printer sharing, this was done by simply clicking a Box in the System Preferences - Sharing section. On the PC it took me about 45 minutes the first time to navigate through the multiple levels of navigation required to share Internet from my PC to another computer (PC Wireless over Ethernet to another Computer) and every-time I disconnected the other computer I would permanently lose the shared Internet connection requiring setting it up from scratch again.

That's just one thing that used to baffle me there where many...

I now run a Website/Forum called SwitchingToMac.com, I started this site mainly because as an Apple rep I encountered the same Mac questions over and over again and wanted to create a place where Switchers could go and get this information. The site is doing better then I expected.

So why do I think Mac's are better then PC's:

It's mostly about control, Apple has control of the entire computing experience, Hardware, Operating System and much of the core Software. Windows PC's are a conglomeration of a bunch of companies working independently all competing against each other but trying to make product that are harmonious at the same time?

Let me use the example of a vehicle made in two separate factories:

Factory A designs the car from the ground up and specifically build their cars with specific components, some they make themselves and some they have other companies make to their specifications, everything is perfectly matched and quality tested to be 100% compatible with all the other parts in the deign. There are no bottle necks.

Factory B is an assembly plant, they build cars but instead of designing them from the ground up they go out with their shopping cart and pick up a bunch of parts and mix and match them till they end up with a car that works... well kind of. It might have a 300HP motor in it but unfortunately it only has a fuel injection system from a 150HP motor rendering the motor to half of its intended output. The other problem is the electronic ignition system is brand new but the rest of the parts are from last year so most of the features the customer is paying for in the new expensive electronic ignition system are useless. Of course there are other fit and finish problems because in the end it is a really just a Franken-car.

Facts about Macs:
-Macs crash less then PCs (they do crash but very rarely)
-Macs require very little to no maintenance, you can run a Mac for years and years without reformatting, defraying, reorganizing. Macs use Unix based maintenance scripts that do all this for you.
-Macs are easier to use.
-You can get more done on a Mac, spend less time fighting your machine and more time using it.
-Macs do cost more but give you more back in return and hold significantly more resale value meaning you can sell it and use that money to by your next Mac for about the same price as a PC that is half as good.
-Macs are very Virus resilient. (I have never run Virus or Spyware software on any of my Macs and have never had a Virus or Spyware incident).
-Mac people are the most customer loyal bar non, why is this? PC people will buy what ever brand of PC they can get the best deal on.
-Macs just look cool, any PC that looks even near as good as Mac will set you back just as much if not more then a Mac, it's not just about what is inside.

And the kicker, Mac's can be PC's when ever you want them to be and the comment about the MacBook Pro being the fastest Vista Laptop of 2007... Apple wasn't even trying to make the MacBook Pro the fastest Vista machine, they couldn't of given a crap, it was simply a byproduct of a quality made computer...

Cheers

[Dave Burrell]

The Mac vs PC debate is always a heated one, and I agree with Dan, many Mac haters are PC users that have little or no Mac experience or used a Mac 10 years ago. I also agree that Mac users commenting about how bad a PC is when they have never used one is also something that should be kept to oneself...

Cheers

wow I'm sold - where can I buy one today? does Apple offer credit?

hehehe and I won't even question this new user ID and first post...... but seriously if Switching2Mac is a new user and not another user with multiple ID's then I'll buy the story

[mylo]

hehehe and I won't even question this new user ID and first post...... but seriously if Switching2Mac is a new user and not another user with multiple ID's then I'll buy the story

1 post and 1 member from that IP. Looks like a rogue apple sales guy to me

[Dave Burrell]

1 post and 1 member from that IP. Looks like a rogue apple sales guy to me

hehehe amazing that he found this exact thread and got up-to-date so fast
- I wonder if he can cut us any deals?

seriously I was thinking... I'd like to run both Mac and PC laptops next to each other for a week with similar software, hardware, connectivity, etc and see how it goes..... that'd be interesting to see what the differences there are these days

I also read up a bit on that switch2mac forum....

and I'm trying to figure out why they're bagging on vista & xp so much (which they're probably never tried)- when posting stuff like this...

- More people are using Macs which means any problems will seem magnified due to the fact more people are talking about it.

- Leopard was a BIG update, there are going to be some bugs, if you don’t like bugs, don’t upgrade right away. This is similar to a person running out and buying a new technology the day it comes out, you are going to pay a premium for it, if you wait that premium will go down. In this case the premium is time, your time trouble shooting and dealing with first release bugs.

-As a company Apple is growing very fast and in all directions (Computers, iPhones, iPods, Airports, AppleTV’s) and I’m sure Apple is experiencing a strain on their staffing requirements trying to juggle people into different projects like the recent “iPhone”, this could take manpower away from the Leopard project which caused the delay and may have caused some of the bugs that did not get caught.