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[DavidH]

Why should I waste my time...

Because you're obviously concerned.

I'm going to get the run around from them anyway...

And why do you think that? Have you had personal experience with either Ms. Bettencourt or Mr. Washburn?

so.. I ain't going to know stinking school board meeting anymore... I'm done with that crapola ..been there.. done that...

OK then quick your bitching. Why not be part of the solution?!?

my point is that what ever they are going to say... it's going to be BS... it's a pretty simple thing isn't it...

Again, what makes you say that?

Why can't we have a completed building...?

We probably can. It's possible we're dealing with a design or construction defect that is taking longer than expected to resolve. Have you ever deal with roof leaks? From my understanding, they're insanely difficult to pinpoint. That, combined with the height of the building, makes it that much more challenging.

Get back to me...

Done. But again, you're only going to get accurate answers from either the district or the contractors. Why not give Roebellen a call (they're in EDH, I believe) and ask them if you're so cynical and anti-district.

[EDF]

Because you're obviously concerned.

And why do you think that? Have you had personal experience with either Ms. Bettencourt or Mr. Washburn?
OK then quick your bitching. Why not be part of the solution?!?

Again, what makes you say that?
We probably can. It's possible we're dealing with a design or construction defect that is taking longer than expected to resolve. Have you ever deal with roof leaks? From my understanding, they're insanely difficult to pinpoint. That, combined with the height of the building, makes it that much more challenging.
Done. But again, you're only going to get accurate answers from either the district or the contractors. Why not give Roebellen a call (they're in EDH, I believe) and ask them if you're so cynical and anti-district.

come on get a stinking grip here...

This thing has been going on for 7 years... or more... and you know what...?

My little brats don't go there anymore...

I'm just driving by and making an observation that it's funny it hasn't been fixed...

roof leaks maybe a hard thing... but SEVEN STINKING YEARS....!!!!!

No there is something wrong.. either the district doesn't have the balls to go after the contractor and DEMAND they fix it... OR... they drew up a very poorly drafted CONSTRUCTION document that allows this crapola to continue...

I'm waiting for Teresa to find out... after all she's on the school board of trustees and she's the one that should be contacting the district that WORK FOR US THE STINKING TAX PAYERS... and not only her... but the REST OF THAT condesending board of retired educrats that exist there....

No... they just sit there and let 'STAFF' make endless presentations... they have a "consent calendar" that glosses over all kinds of stuff... nothing really ever gets done...

And of course... it's just stupid that we have our own stinking Folsom Only school district... after all if "we split the district we woulcn't be able to finish the new high school"

Hmm.... seems to me even after all these years... WE STILL HAVEN'T FINISHED BUILDING THE STINKING HIGH SCHOOL now... Have we...?

Get back to me with some "A" game...

[EDF]

UPdate....

I've gotten some private PM's from Tessica and while she hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet... it looks like it might.. I said might cost us taxpayer more for this... she's not sure... but I'm getting impatient to find an answer for a problem that has been going on for so long....actually since that place opened up...

I'll let her post what she told me what she thinks is coming down...

If true... I would like to know why someone is not going to be fired... demoted or...? made to pay for this big mistake...

[folsombound]

It's a public agency and you want someone to be ACCOUNTABLE! Get Real! There will be a lot of finger pointing and whining but no one on the public payroll ever loses a job because of performance. That would violate the Union contract. Best get over it or you will get an ulcer.

[EDF]

It's a public agency and you want someone to be ACCOUNTABLE! Get Real! There will be a lot of finger pointing and whining but no one on the public payroll ever loses a job because of performance. That would violate the Union contract. Best get over it or you will get an ulcer.

Oh yea... I forgot that memo came to me a long time ago... thanks for the "re-transmission"...

Appreciate it... never would have though public agenies to be accountable.. what was I thinking...?

[cankles]

I'm personally a believer that this kind of thing should come with a warrentee. In Germany, roads are required to have like a 20 year warrentee. If any potholes appear during that time, the construction company MUST come out and fix them free of charge. Guess what? In Germany, roads are built to last 40 years because it's too much of a waste of the construction company's time to send a crew out to fix it. What do the Germans do with their left over D.O.T. money? They plant trees and flowers and do highway beautification. Here, we of course, give gov't contracts to the lowest bidder, who--without a warrantee--build the cheapest road they can build. Well cheap=crap and we end up with pot holes and constant construction with associated delays and overwhelming road costs. No to mention as soon as they finish any road project they start back at the other end working on repairing their road that is starting to decay. Nice self-fulfilling cycle, I know.

Anyway, the point is, all public projects should be backed by a manufacturer's warrantee otherwise crap like this will continue to happen at the taxpayer's expense.

[folsombound]

I'm personally a believer that this kind of thing should come with a warrentee. In Germany, roads are required to have like a 20 year warrentee. If any potholes appear during that time, the construction company MUST come out and fix them free of charge. Guess what? In Germany, roads are built to last 40 years because it's too much of a waste of the construction company's time to send a crew out to fix it. What do the Germans do with their left over D.O.T. money? They plant trees and flowers and do highway beautification. Here, we of course, give gov't contracts to the lowest bidder, who--without a warrantee--build the cheapest road they can build. Well cheap=crap and we end up with pot holes and constant construction with associated delays and overwhelming road costs. No to mention as soon as they finish any road project they start back at the other end working on repairing their road that is starting to decay. Nice self-fulfilling cycle, I know.

Anyway, the point is, all public projects should be backed by a manufacturer's warrantee otherwise crap like this will continue to happen at the taxpayer's expense.

If the work lasted, the public employees would not have anything to do and we would need about half as many of them. This is about self-preservation on the part of the public employees and their Unions.

[Revolutionist]

UPdate....

I've gotten some private PM's from Tessica and while she hasn't gotten to the bottom of it yet... it looks like it might.. I said might cost us taxpayer more for this... she's not sure... but I'm getting impatient to find an answer for a problem that has been going on for so long....actually since that place opened up...

I'll let her post what she told me what she thinks is coming down...

If true... I would like to know why someone is not going to be fired... demoted or...? made to pay for this big mistake...

wtb: update
ideally from Tesseica.
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[tessieca]

Update: The school needs a new roof and is getting one.

The cost issue is still under negotiation between district, construction manager and architect.. The benefits of proceeding include 1) a new roof, and 2) the 20-year warranty will be replaced with a 30-year one, so it would cover the rest of the warranty (remember that roof is almost ten years old already) plus an additional 20 years that we would have gotten had we waited until ten years from now to modernize.

[EDF]

Update: The school needs a new roof and is getting one.

The cost issue is still under negotiation between district, construction manager and architect.. The benefits of proceeding include 1) a new roof, and 2) the 20-year warranty will be replaced with a 30-year one, so it would cover the rest of the warranty (remember that roof is almost ten years old already) plus an additional 20 years that we would have gotten had we waited until ten years from now to modernize.

Wait a minute...

The roof was never water tight if I recollect correctly...

Why should the district pay for anything... just give us what we paid for originally.. is something wrong with that...?

Why shouldn't the architect, the enginnering company who did the calc's on it and the construction company bear all the costs...

Most of these guys have "insurance" for this don't they... if not...? why didn't the district insist on something... just in case...

What you talking about when you say "mondernize"...

Inquiriing minds need some the empty blanks being filled in...

[folsombound]

So if I understand this right, the 20 year warranty wasn't even good for 10 years and now a new roof must be installed at district expense to get a 30 year warranty that probably won't be any good either. Tax dollars hard at work!

[Revolutionist]

So if I understand this right, the 20 year warranty wasn't even good for 10 years and now a new roof must be installed at district expense to get a 30 year warranty that probably won't be any good either. Tax dollars hard at work!

I am not exactly sure what "The cost issue is still under negotiation between district, construction manager and architect.. " means, but count me in with the 2 guys above me. The builder and/or architect should bear the cost of replacement, not the taxpayers (me). And I would include the cost of the gym floor that has been damaged by the leaks.

PS Tess, thanks for your willingness to address issues here. Its not fun catching spears

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

Update: The school needs a new roof and is getting one.

The cost issue is still under negotiation between district, construction manager and architect.. The benefits of proceeding include 1) a new roof, and 2) the 20-year warranty will be replaced with a 30-year one, so it would cover the rest of the warranty (remember that roof is almost ten years old already) plus an additional 20 years that we would have gotten had we waited until ten years from now to modernize.

Can you please explain why the district has to replace the roof at the district's expense instead of having repairs/replacement done at the expense of the original contractor who warranted the job? Or is that the part that's being negotiated -- a discount on the 30 year warranted job? As has been asked, if the 20 year warranted job didn't last 20 years, how can we be assured that the new roof will last the 30 years currently being discussed?

[Darthvader]

Can you please explain why the district has to replace the roof at the district's expense instead of having repairs/replacement done at the expense of the original contractor who warranted the job? Or is that the part that's being negotiated -- a discount on the 30 year warranted job? As has been asked, if the 20 year warranted job didn't last 20 years, how can we be assured that the new roof will last the 30 years currently being discussed?

This sounds like one of those deals where we will never truly know the details of the "negotiations" going on behind the scenes.

[EDF]

Teresa...

hey you need to come on here and I guess take the heat for the School Board... dang I hate to do this to you... but I know you must think we out here are right on this issue...

These questions must be answered and there needs to be the "light of day" shinining brightly..

I can't believe this would be a "consent calendar" item with the brewing controversy here...

When is this coming up for review by the Board of Trustees...

And please answer the questions that your neighbors and me have expressed... why are we the taxpayers even being considered having to "kick in"...

I'm just dying to know why this would be a good thing for us...