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[folsombound]

Something doesn't make sense here. A 1500 bed hospital would be ENORMOUS! I don't think 1500 hundred employees would even come close to covering a hospital that size.

[folsom15]

The prisoners get better health care than most normal working people that don't commit crimes. These new hospitals will cost us $7 BILLION according to the news reports. Where does California come up with that kind of money, and what does that do to other more important programs (like kids, including all the ones the prisoners are making). Does Alabama (etc.) have the same level of prisoner health care that California does, and if not, why is our state on the hook for this stuff and not others? This just doesn't seem right.
I am more concerned about the gang bangers that a prison attracts. We all know that gangs are being run from inside the prisons, right? 1500 more prisoners will attract more gang bangers to hang out near here.
How big is a 1500 bed hospital, compared to say Mercy Folsom or even UCD or a Kaiser hospital? I think that is a BIG hospital. The idea of 750 prison doctors moving to Folsom does sound good...they make well over $200K per year, I think? That job (taking excellent care of thugs) would suck big time, so they must need to pay well!

[old soldier]

I had to laugh when I heard old starsky was worried about traffic when he would like to pave all 3500 acres south of 50. talk about traffic

one point too, about traffic, the prisoners don't commute

[webuser]

Does a 1500 bed medical facility really need 1500 employees? Or is this just a government way of paying 1500 people to take a nap?

1500 employees do not all work at the same time. There would be different shifts of people working different shift hours and different days of the week for 24/7 coverage plus coverage for people taking time off.
It is isn't like a typical office job where 99% of the people all come in and go home at the same time.

[Robert Gary]

Yeah, like screw prisoners. Give me my third grade CSR back.

This is where state and federal budgets are seriously F'ed up. I don't give a crap about prisoners having TV, Cable, workout rooms, fancy meals, libraries, or any of that crap. They broke the law, they can sit in their cell, walk around a yard, eat bland food for all I care.

Well, if you're going to talk about that how about the entire Department of Education scam in general. We send our federal income tax dollars to this federal entity and they don't have a single teacher to teach kids. Their entire purpose is to take our money and make our schools go and beg for it back via grants. When they do let us have some of our tax money back they put strings on it.

-Robert

[Robert Gary]

The prisoners get better health care than most normal working people that don't commit crimes. These new hospitals will cost us $7 BILLION according to the news reports.

Can anyone tell me why we don't make the prisoners pay for this? Bring back the chain gangs and make them earn their living.
-Robert

[supermom]

I think I would be concerned about the costs of added security while building a hospital on prison grounds.
The traffic and noise will be horrendous and as it is--the flipping bridge noise has been nonstop for over a year now.
From those two perspectives ( yes they are short sighted perspectives-I fully understand that ) I think that this proposal sucks.

However-another point I have--why have a 1500 bed prison hospital at the furthest east point of located state prisons in northern Ca?

Why not place this hospital in Vallejo where it would be more centrally located for multiple prisons to have access to?

Whatever......
friggin feds seems to really like layin hard on folsom. Just don't forget who decided that the stupid bridge had to be built and spend needless money (which didn't folsom residents have to pay a large chunk of?)

[Barb J]

On a positive note, they could name it the Johnny Cash Medical Facility and we would finally get to name something in Folsom after Johnny!

Barb

[webuser]

they are short sighted perspectives-I fully understand that ) I think that this proposal sucks.

However-another point I have--why have a 1500 bed prison hospital at the furthest east point of located state prisons in northern Ca?

Why not place this hospital in Vallejo where it would be more centrally located for multiple prisons to have access to?

Because there is already one in that area in Vacaville.

This would be a good thing. Most of the employees will be paid enough to at least rent in Folsom and alot of them will be able to buy houses if they want to.

[Robert Gary]

Feds are proposing a 1500 bed hospital on prison grounds. City of Folsom has serious concerns.<a href="http://www.sacbee.com/folsom/story/1193910.html" target="_blank">
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http://www.sacbee.co...ry/1193910.html
M.E.G.

We have all these prisoners sitting around with nothing to do. Maybe they should be making Wal-Mart goodies and earn their own way. We could make the prisons revenue neutral. However, I guess making lazy prisoners work is considered cruel and unusual. So the rest of us will have to work to pay for their new hospital while they are protected from having to work.

-Robert

[old soldier]

the folks who didn't want that bowling alley will really get their pants in an uproar about an old hospital

[webuser]

Something doesn't make sense here. A 1500 bed hospital would be ENORMOUS! I don't think 1500 hundred employees would even come close to covering a hospital that size.

I probably wouldn't have anywhere near 1500 bed capacity on day one. They could make it smaller and expand it over time. Also, it may not really have 1500 physical beds anyway. They may be including inmates seen in outpatient clinics that turn over every 15 or 30 minutes and are counting each clinic bed several times.

[webuser]

This is so many years away if it every gets built.
They are going to be only talking about it and making hypthetical drafts well into the year 2009.
How many more years will go by before it is approved and funded? How many more years before construction starts and is completed?

[supermom]

Because there is already one in that area in Vacaville.

This would be a good thing. Most of the employees will be paid enough to at least rent in Folsom and alot of them will be able to buy houses if they want to.

Besides the fact that would would get a job........

What is the point of adding another prison hospital in this area if there already is one, logistically it does not make sense to add such a hospital to this region.

[MikeinFolsom]

I'm guessing the facility will house inmates that are doing long term sentences that might have some type of chronic illness. There are prisoners leaving the facility at a rate of 1-2 a day in an ambulance for treatment in local hospitals. Hopefully most of that will begin to stay in house for them.

I know the van brings small groups to local hospitals as well. Might the new facility mitigate that?