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[asbestoshills]

Were there no drunk sluts available in Folsom that nite? I say have the City sue them for all of the money it costs to investigate them and all of the money they wasted while on "duty". Disgusting.....
I bet the cooking oil dad is just laughing in his diesel car right now....
BTW, did anyone else hear on the news that Folsom is gettting 27 new CHP officers just to cover the city of Folsom Hwy 50 corridor....IS this really necessary? 27 officers, just for the corridor???? LOCO.....

[parklover]

Apparently the blame needs to be directed toward Chief Sam. Now I know he is a lovable character, but the department has been having problems for some time now, costing (you) residents money. These suits are first directed to city attorney,who then sends them out to large lawfirms at rates near $300 hour plus cost to defend.

PORAC and the peace officers bill of rights are not new to any police officer, or for that matter supervisors. Those problems came up when Folsom had thier Community Correctional Facility (MRRF or CRRF). Officers were fired and returned two years later with full back pay because of POBOR violations. Thus this is not a mystery or uncommon issue with police officer discipline. However, what needs to be discovered is whether or not the POBOR was actually violated or just pleaded in a complaint for hope of a nuisance settlement.

Either way you will not find out. These types of settlements are discussed and approved behind council doors. When the MRRF was closed, they arbitrated sucessfully a $75,000 award for violations of MOU violations that Chief Speigal approved.

I really believe that the Police Department needs a change, such as has happened with the city manager and other officials in the city. It time to change directions, in my opinion.

[supermom]

Chief Spiegal is not the person committing these (crimes)-nor is he in charge of the attorney's whom freewheel their way through union contractual preceedents.

Don't be in haste to place blame on the chief.

How about questioning the amount of funding available to competently reinforce training throughout the officers careers?

Don't you think it's odd that Folsom can't keep two cops on highschool campuses for 9 months-a year-, to protect our children within our city

But "we" are getting funding for 27 CHP to protect the highway of strangers going past our city? (I question if that decision has anything to do with the new casino-and funding deals under the table).

[old soldier]

Don't you think it very interesting that the cops arrested for stealing used cooking oil got a lot more headlines than cops cavorting with college girls during a police investigation?

sometimes you hear some real wisdom sitting on a bar stool..guys were talking about the folsom police problems and a guy talking about the chico and the cooking ol cases


its probably worse for a cop to be dishonest that horney

[Steve Heard]

Chief Spiegal is not the person committing these (crimes)-nor is he in charge of the attorney's whom freewheel their way through union contractual preceedents.

Don't be in haste to place blame on the chief.

I agree. Although the buck stops at the top, the chief can't be everywhere and can't supervise every individual.

I've worked on a couple of seminar projects with one of the cops involved and found him to be a great resource and concerned about the safety of our community.

I don't know the circumstances of the Chico incident, but am saddened that their careers can be ruined by a seemingly impulsive act.

We're all human, but none are above the law.

[Deb aka Resume Lady]

We're all human, but none are above the law.

Bingo!

[jafount]

Lest we forget THE COOKING OIL GUY HAD PERMISSION FROM THE RESTAURANT! At least he asked someone before he went during broad daylight while the staff watched him take the stuff.

[tgianco]

Were there no drunk sluts available in Folsom that nite?

I agree. Shop Folsom and Skank Folsom!

We can build on this.

[supermom]

I agree. Although the buck stops at the top, the chief can't be everywhere and can't supervise every individual.

I've worked on a couple of seminar projects with one of the cops involved and found him to be a great resource and concerned about the safety of our community.

I don't know the circumstances of the Chico incident, but am saddened that their careers can be ruined by a seemingly impulsive act.

We're all human, but none are above the law.

I'm not sure I can call this an impulsive act.

STD--I draw the line on your verbage. I find it condescending to all the good and decent cops that never, never would consider such an act.

There is a huge difference (mentally) between being on-duty, and off duty.

And even if it is an ongoing, "sting", these cops knew it would involve being away from home and that they would be expected to remember that as long as they are being paid (quite a bit--they were more than likely getting extra pay to work outside their departments jusridiction)--they are on the Govn't. dime-and therefore on Govn't time.

Basically, the city of Folsom paid these two cops to literally go screw some college girls.

Sorry to be so crass, but someone has to say it, right?

[supermom]

I still haven't found anything on the net about CHP additions to folsom that can be confirmed.

Also, this story has apparently died in the news.

Wonder in newsblaze has any insight?

PS, did anyone see Christina Mendonsa on the news the other night covering as anchor when this story was on the news?

I rarely watch the news anymore--Did she change her hair style?

[Dustyzz]

what a crock of B**S***, these douche bags are exactly what is wrong with America. They did a bad thing and now they want to sue for their jobs back? That's insane that they think they should get their jobs back for fooling around with college girls during work.

To Carl Siegler and Brian Unden, you guys are complete idiots, morons and a detriment to society!

We should not be rewarding people for bad behavior!!!!! Firing them was exactly what they deserved!

Don't people know right from wrong anymore? How the heck did these morons pass the police exams in the first place?

Well the bar for professional conduct got set pretty low when Slick Willy was caught diddling Monica while on the job, he then lied about it to a grand jury and when the smoke cleared he still got to keep his job... totally disgusting.


/dusty

[Steve Heard]

I'm not sure I can call this an impulsive act.

STD--I draw the line on your verbage. I find it condescending to all the good and decent cops that never, never would consider such an act.

There is a huge difference (mentally) between being on-duty, and off duty.

And even if it is an ongoing, "sting", these cops knew it would involve being away from home and that they would be expected to remember that as long as they are being paid (quite a bit--they were more than likely getting extra pay to work outside their departments jusridiction)--they are on the Govn't. dime-and therefore on Govn't time.

Basically, the city of Folsom paid these two cops to literally go screw some college girls.

Sorry to be so crass, but someone has to say it, right?

I have no idea where you get condescending out of what I said. Please explain.

[Bill Z]

Chief Spiegal is not the person committing these (crimes)-nor is he in charge of the attorney's whom freewheel their way through union contractual preceedents.

Don't be in haste to place blame on the chief.

No, he didn't commit the crime, but he should have been in-charge of their dismissal and so he is at fault if their claims of procedural violations on their dismissal are correct.

[supermom]

I have no idea where you get condescending out of what I said. Please explain.

Don't take that personally Steve.

But, the police in Folsom have every right to be outraged by the behavior of these two officers.

But to say, "their careers are ruined by a seemingly impulsive behavior" is misdirecting the very real - criminal behavior of these officers.

At the very least it would be sexual harrassment/advancement --as they are police officers and these were persons under investigation. (I actually thought that was a felony for police officers)

This type of behavior cannot be tolerated by saying--wow that sucks, an impulse ruined his career.

Nope--a choice ruined his career--and did a whole lot more damage.

Look what it did to that investigation.

Look at what it did to the reputation of the Folsom PD.

Look at what it did to that young woman--who may or may not have been involved in drug use, but certainly teaching her cops are willing to literally screw her to get the goods on an illegal activity is a rape of the mind and leaves her a victim of distrust toward any "authority".

So, yeah, I thought you were being a bit blase' and not really looking at the whole picture.