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#16 stacycam

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Posted 11 September 2009 - 10:43 AM

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I'm glad that I am able to sacrifice saving for my retirement at the moment to pay for private school for a few years. But in 4 years at the most, my son will have to enter the public school system. I look forward to the day with mixed emotions.

FWIW, when my sis-in-law transferred her kids out of Phoenix in.....maybe 2nd and 4th or 3rd and 5th grades, both kids were right on par with the public school. They went from Phoenix to Oak Chan, and when Oak Chan was reviewing in the beginning of the year, her son said that Phoenix hadn't even covered that information yet.

Now, I'm not saying private school isn't better than public, but I am saying that the curriculum is not as different as they would like you to believe. I think the big difference is the extra stuff at private school.

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Posted 11 September 2009 - 10:53 AM

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#18 Bill Z

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Posted 11 September 2009 - 11:15 AM

QUOTE (stacycam @ Sep 11 2009, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FWIW, when my sis-in-law transferred her kids out of Phoenix in.....maybe 2nd and 4th or 3rd and 5th grades, both kids were right on par with the public school. They went from Phoenix to Oak Chan, and when Oak Chan was reviewing in the beginning of the year, her son said that Phoenix hadn't even covered that information yet.

Now, I'm not saying private school isn't better than public, but I am saying that the curriculum is not as different as they would like you to believe. I think the big difference is the extra stuff at private school.

Well, my son is in Phoenix, first & foremost, for the 6:30 AM drop off to the 6:00 PM pick-up times.
That convenience with both parents working combined with strict sign-in & sign-out procedures also provides confidence that while he is small, he is safer from the "Girardo's" in our society than if he was walking to & from the local public school in our neighborhood.
I also feel with the smaller class sizes, he does get more "one on one" time with the teachers than he would in the public system, so for me, it is a worthwhile investment, and one I am happy I can afford to make, but in all honesty, is likely pushing my retirement age out 4 years or so.

As for your last point, well when I switched from ARC to CSUS after taking my first semester of Calculus at ARC, I was behind at CSUS because the order of chapters and topics was different and I had to teach myself a whole chapter on calculus with logarithms and natural logarithms to catch up, but then 1/2 way through the 2nd semester of calculus, I ran into a duplicate chapter from my 1st semester taken at ARC, so it was a breeze for me. Anytime you switch schools and textbooks, you can expect to encounter topics that may have not been covered at one school and were covered at the other school.
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Posted 11 September 2009 - 11:16 AM

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Good find, az. So we're getting the transcripts of "Gerald's" blog verbatim, huh? Here I thought it was an overzealous rep.

So pre-testing is "barbaric"? Our public schools are engaging in "child abuse"?

Makes me wonder what Gerald could teach my kids. They already know how to exaggerate.
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Posted 11 September 2009 - 11:20 AM

QUOTE (Bill Z @ Sep 11 2009, 12:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, my son is in Phoenix, first & foremost, for the 6:30 AM drop off to the 6:00 PM pick-up times.
That convenience with both parents working combined with strict sign-in & sign-out procedures also provides confidence that while he is small, he is safer from the "Girardo's" in our society than if he was walking to & from the local public school in our neighborhood.
I also feel with the smaller class sizes, he does get more "one on one" time with the teachers than he would in the public system, so for me, it is a worthwhile investment, and one I am happy I can afford to make, but in all honesty, is likely pushing my retirement age out 4 years or so.

As for your last point, well when I switched from ARC to CSUS after taking my first semester of Calculus at ARC, I was behind at CSUS because the order of chapters and topics was different and I had to teach myself a whole chapter on calculus with logarithms and natural logarithms to catch up, but then 1/2 way through the 2nd semester of calculus, I ran into a duplicate chapter from my 1st semester taken at ARC, so it was a breeze for me. Anytime you switch schools and textbooks, you can expect to encounter topics that may have not been covered at one school and were covered at the other school.



Just goes to show, different approaches work for different families. I have two kids. One thrives in the public school environment, the other struggles. I am fortunate to be in a position to homeschool the second (through FCUSD's charter school program) with the goal of transitioning him to public school as soon as possible.
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Posted 11 September 2009 - 11:49 AM

Bill - I'm just saying that the public schools aren't as bad (or worse than Phoenix) than you may think. You expressed apprehension, and I was just giving you some info. to hopefully appease some of your concerns. With having your kid in childcare 12 hours a day, you really have no choice but to leave him in private as long as you and your wife work such long hours anyway. I guess once he outgrows Phoenix, he can just stay home during the day and get himself to school. I don't think there are private high schools with extended care.

I'd bet your son would love to see you reitre earlier, though, given a choice. smile.gif

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Posted 11 September 2009 - 12:20 PM

QUOTE (stacycam @ Sep 11 2009, 12:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bill - I'm just saying that the public schools aren't as bad (or worse than Phoenix) than you may think. You expressed apprehension, and I was just giving you some info. to hopefully appease some of your concerns. With having your kid in childcare 12 hours a day, you really have no choice but to leave him in private as long as you and your wife work such long hours anyway. I guess once he outgrows Phoenix, he can just stay home during the day and get himself to school. I don't think there are private high schools with extended care.

I'd bet your son would love to see you reitre earlier, though, given a choice. smile.gif

Well, he typically isn't there for the whole 11.5 hours they are open, but the flexibility, especially when I'm gone on business travel, is so worth not having the hassle of wondering how to get someone to watch him for awhile. He is too young to be a latchkey kid in my mind. I'm willing to let him be a latchkey once he starts middle school. and yes, I would like to retire early if possible as well, but I haven't won lotto yet, and the stock market hasn't been very cooperative with my 401K for awhile now.

And I do read more complaints about the local schools on here than I hear the positives, the positives come as the generic "Folsom schools are better than the surrounding areas", but then the specific details always seem to come out with whiners.
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